LION-AG Experiment

Quote from Alan Smith

Our own experiments with the LION 'look-alike' have followed a very similar path so far. We are also running another variant using electrolytically deuterated diapads. The only thing of interest in the latter test is a modest radiation peak (2-3x background) which seems to be coincident with cooling - we are cycling this between 300-600 - the peak looks to be coincident with the 310-340C region, but mostly on the way down rather than on the way up. Since we are not yet equipped for 'livestream' data display the proof of this will have to wait until the run stops and we pull the SD card from the logger.

Bremsstrahlung not only occurs when the LENR reaction begins but also when it ends. You may be seeing Bremsstrahlung when the LENR reaction is ending. Heat is not always generated by the LENR reaction. SO heat production is a bad indication to judge if LENR is active or not.

Weak LENR systems produce ionizing radiation and sub atomic particles. Heat may not be produced.

Quote from magicsound

There now seems to be a problem with the Labjack comm connection, not fixed by re-booting the system.The plotly stream would also not initialize correctly.

hello Alan

magicsound , Alan Smith

re. the TC glitch (value 3277)

i believe this may be related to the maximum value of a 16-bit binary integer 1111 1111 1111 1111 base 2 = 32767 base 10 (using one of the bits as the sign)

if the value has been scaled as a fixed-point value to give 1 decimal place, say, and rounded to nearest integer, then 32767 would be interpreted as 3277

so this could just be the software trying to represent a data overflow as the max value of its range

...just an idea?

keep up the good work, gentlemen

[sr]

Quote from nul-points

hello Alan

magicsound , Alan Smith

re. the TC glitch (value 3277)

i believe this may be related to the maximum value of a 16-bit binary integer 1111 1111 1111 1111 base 2 = 32767 base 10 (using one of the bits as the sign)

if the value has been scaled as a fixed-point value to give 1 decimal place, say, and rounded to nearest integer, then 32767 would be interpreted as 3277

so this could just be the software trying to represent a data overflow as the max value of its range

...just an idea?

keep up the good work, gentlemen

[sr]

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Can ionizing radiation temporarily distortthe contents of the memory that holds the binary integer that records temperature?

Note that x-rays will be stopped very easily if there is any kind of intervening material.

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Note that x-rays will be stopped very easily if there is any kind of intervening material.

Can muon based ionization temporarily distort the contents of the memory that holds the binary integer that records temperature?

Alan Smith : The radiation pattern during the initial ramp down phase shows an interesting effect. It could be worth to analyze just this short part(s).

Quote from axil

Can ionizing radiation temporarily distortthe contents of the memory that holds the binary integer that records temperature?

hi axil

as memory chips become smaller, to enable increased capacity (cf. Moore's 'Law'), i understand that they become ever more susceptible to corruption by some kind of radiation, whether local or space

i would expect the basic memory-state 'bit' to remain corrupted permanently until next written; however, if the the memory chip as a device, or the data-writing software, has been designed to include error-detection and correction then the effect could be temporary

i guess the self-correcting ability would only be economically viable in high-cost, or safety-critical, devices (so possibly not in standard lab-grade equipment?)

hth

[sr]

Quote from nul-points

hi axil

as memory chips become smaller, to enable increased capacity (cf. Moore's 'Law'), i believe that they become ever more susceptible to corruption by some kind of radiation, whether local or space

i would expect the basic memory-state 'bit' to remain corrupted permanently until next written; however, if the the memory chip as a device, or the data-writing software, has been designed to include error-detection and correction then the effect could be temporary

i guess the self-correcting ability would only be economically viable in high-cost, or safety-critical, devices (so possibly not in standard lab-grade equipment?)

hth

[sr]

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https://news.vanderbilt.edu/20…sonal-electronic-devices/

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When cosmic rays traveling at fractions of the speed of light strike the Earth’s atmosphere they create cascades of secondary particles including energetic neutrons, muons, pions and alpha particles. Millions of these particles strike your body each second. Despite their numbers, this subatomic torrent is imperceptible and has no known harmful effects on living organisms. However, a fraction of these particles carry enough energy to interfere with the operation of microelectronic circuitry. When they interact with integrated circuits, they may alter individual bits of data stored in memory. This is called a single-event upset or SEU.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/…cle/pii/S0168900212010455

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The electronics used in the data readout and triggering system for the Compact Muon Solenoid (CMS) experiment at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) particle accelerator at CERN are exposed to high radiation levels. This radiation can cause permanent damage to the electronic circuitry, as well as temporary effects such as data corruption induced by Single Event Upsets.

Quote from Alan Smith

As I hope you can see the periods where the count is 50+ coincide closely with those places where the temperature is falling,

I can't really see any clear correlation, if the violet/green sections indicate where heating is applied.

Quote from axil

https://news.vanderbilt.edu/20…sonal-electronic-devices/

https://www.sciencedirect.com/…cle/pii/S0168900212010455

if my hunch is correct, ie. that the TC 'glitch' value indicates all bits set in a 15 (or 16, if signed) bit binary integer, then i feel it is probably an indication either of data overflow (ie. data going out of range), or of comms being lost, due to interface issues - i would expect data corruption due to some kind of radiation to manifest as random corruption to individual bits of a memory 'cell' ( eg. not all 15 / 16 bits being set to '1')

[sr]

It is well known that Rossi's original reactor designs produced ionizing radiation at shutdown.

Alan Smith

What I did is isolating the raw RadCnt peaks with a 50+ count by covering the middle of the graph with opaque boxes, as I couldn't really understand the graphs with the description you provided. With this trivial modification, the remaining visible peaks appear to be more or less randomly distributed and do not seem to occur more frequently when temperatures are falling.

Below is a clearer version showing both a modified (top) and the original version (bottom) of the same graph.

Quote from axil

https://news.vanderbilt.edu/20…sonal-electronic-devices/

[Snip]...This radiation can cause permanent damage to the electronic circuitry, as well as temporary effects such as data corruption induced by Single Event Upsets

https://www.sciencedirect.com/…cle/pii/S0168900212010455

NB. your second quote refers to the effects of radiation on the actual electronic circuitry of the memory, not the data contained within it

if the hardware is undamaged (the meaning of 'temporary' in this 2nd quote) then the data corruption can be reversed (assuming appropriate hardware or software design, as i mentioned above), or the data will be wrong until the next 'write-cycle' to that location

if the electronics are damaged (the meaning of 'permanent' in this 2nd quote) then that memory will no longer function correctly (unless the memory device has built-in redundancy capability)

however, i suspect that in magicsound 's case the data glitch in not related to corruption caused by radiation

[sr]

post from another developer,Alain Samoun who has seen the same error

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Maybe a coincidence but at time 42507, what is usually though as a glitch, the TC jump suddenly to 3277 - Not a temperature measurement of course - But in two of my experiments with Ni wire I had the same "glitch" at about the same temperature when the system was cooling....

Here one set of data showing it: https://docs.google.com/spr...

Quote from axil

post from another developer,Alain Samoun who has seen the same error

the data in that google docs link is from 19 Oct '17 (it doesn't contain the 3277 value glitch)

Quote from PhysicsForDummies

Axil, No, I don't really trust human visual perception of artifacts in images as scientific evidence. Working in the computer vision field, sometimes directly involving human perception, I know it is flawed. Add to it that the human psychological ability to find patterns in noise, particularly if it agrees with your desires, is well known. In fact I think you "retweeted" an article about that here which I posted on ECW originally. I still think I am open minded about physics. But is there any explanation or theory about what "strange" radiation might be? And more important can it be measured?Nobody seemed to answer those questions. That seems"strange" to me. Anyhow I am mainly interested in any evidence that LION has a LENR active device, but I haven't seen evidence of that yet.

http://www.bbc.com/future/bespoke/story/20150130-how-your-eyes-trick-your-mind/

you should see the evidence complied by Keith Fredericks on

http://restframe.com/mm/authors/keith-fredericks/

These tracks has been seen by dozens of experimenters including Keith Fredericks