LION-AG Experiment

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One more comment - Ploty discontinued their on-line live streaming feature some time last year, and finally removed the hooks in the interface so that it no longer functions at all. I'm looking into alternatives that I can host on my own server. I would appreciate input from anyone experienced in real-time data plotting from a .csv file that is being updated by Labjack's data logging.

I do not have specific knowledge or experience in real-time data plotting, but it seems that the creators of Plotly have created a framework called Dash for interactive graphing which has become relatively popular as of late.

https://plot.ly/products/dash/

https://dash.plot.ly/

https://dash.plot.ly/live-updates

A more established popular alternative appears to be one called Bokeh:

https://bokeh.pydata.org/

Comparison article:

https://blog.sicara.com/bokeh-…-alternative-c5b576375f7f

Setting these up is not going to be a plug and play task either way, but Dash seems simpler.

The most straightforward and painless thing to do would be producing static graphs with any API or programming language of choice and uploading the results onto a shared directory.

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The most straightforward and painless thing to do would be producing static graphs with any API or programming language of choice and uploading the results onto a shared directory.

Or just post periodic csv files that the community can turn into plots. We (the online community) can be Magicsound's Ploty!

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n response to suggestions from E48, I rebuilt my power system to include the PWM DC chopper LION apparently uses. I published a plot of the resulting waveform and harmonics earlier in this thread. Then I ran an entire 24+ hour heat cycle and got results identical to the previous runs with the same fuel tube i.e. no excess heat or radiation above background.

Brilliant that you took the trouble to do this.

At this point I think that LION's reports should be treated as perhaps mistaken. And for anyone who is taking Bob Greenyer's analysis of the LION 1 and LION 2 remains seriously I think a necessary step would be to replicate the reported effects by putting enough power through a dummy LION-style reactor to partially melt it. The null hypothesis of that investigations would be that the phenomena that Bob saw are due to heat and decomposition, not LENR effects.

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Brilliant that you took the trouble to do this.

At this point I think that LION's reports should be treated as perhaps mistaken. And for anyone who is taking Bob Greenyer's analysis of the LION 1 and LION 2 remains seriously I think a necessary step would be to replicate the reported effects by putting enough power through a dummy LION-style reactor to partially melt it. The null hypothesis of that investigations would be that the phenomena that Bob saw are due to heat and decomposition, not LENR effects.

Most assuredly we have run Lion experiments, 3 in fact, coached by Lion himself via extensive meetings in the flesh, there has been plenty of hot copper oxide chemistry going on that an hobbiest might mistake for 'melting'. To data no hint of heat inspite of many many days looking for said heat, and no radiation above the background. If was a decent refresher exercise for me getting back at the bench after too many years away. With that refresher on lab tech and manners it got me thinking on how to make Androcles which has proven to have nothing in common with Lion save both run in a "looking for heat' hot dry tube furnace experimental platform. Plenty of evidence for cold fusion is seen in the lovely gammas that continue to be observable soon after I arrive for the day at the lab bench. One aspect of that diurnal cycle is it comes soon after my morning coffee when I am able to make my old fingers fumble with the bits and pieces under my control. While the Lion in his several iterations has proven to be cold and lifeless, the Lioness and Androcles haven't always just talked while in the cave or merely tended to thorny issues, there might just be a hybrid offspring ready to emerge from the cave sometime soon

... "clockwork precision in the timing of "soon after my morning coffee""...

Soyez réglé dans votre vie et ordinaire comme un bourgeois, afin d'être violent et original dans vos œuvres.

Gustave Flaubert

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Most assuredly we have run Lion experiments, 3 in fact, coached by Lion himself via extensive meetings in the flesh, there has been plenty of hot copper oxide chemistry going on that an hobbiest might mistake for 'melting'.

The part that I took as evidence of melting n the carcass of the LION 2 reactor is the existence of a pool of solidified metal vertically below the area where the original copper windings have mostly disappeared. Also there are ares where metal has appeared to flow from the pooled area upwards around the outside of the quartz sleeve. It looks as though this was due to capillary action where iiquid metal followed the narrow space between the kanthal heating wire and the quartz sleeve. Would these effects be classed as copper oxide chemistry?

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Have a look at this excellent paper on the subject of High-Temperature Oxidation of Copper:

http://iopscience.iop.org/arti…0/RC2013v082n03ABEH004343

Ah I see! A relatively minor inclusion of some oxide with a low melting temperature can lead to large-scale oxidation of the copper. That means that replicating the LION results is impossible without knowing the details of what materials are included in the reactor and LION is not very precise on this score.

Might I make a suggestion? Since diamond possesses pyroelectric properties some pyroelectric fusion events might be expected on increasing or decreasing the temperature in the LION experiment. Seth Puttermann's group published a paper on pyroelectric fusion using Ca titanate crystal to accelerate D ions with keV fields to fuse with target D ions, releasing measurable neutrons in Nature in 2005 (but was observed previously by some Russian scientists, I think). Anyway its not known whether this could also occur on the nanoscale level, in diamond crystals the size used in the LION experiments, but it is a possibility. This could account for neutron tracks, high temperature localized Ni spheres and the other strange structures Bob Greenyer observed in the SEMs in LION2.

So on raising the temperature at the beginning of the test run there should be a pyroelectric fusion based rise in neutron count (could this be the "strange radiation"), then cycling the temperature up and down should lead to correlated bursts on the rising and falling phases. This was (partially) observed in Alan Smith & Co's replication. Allowing the temperature to drop at the end of the experiment would also release neutron radiation, as found. Surely all we have to do now is engineer the diamond/Ni nanostucture to optimize the diamond D acceleration sites with the Ni lattice D target sites? Play around with other Pyroelectric Stuff like tourmaline/quartz/magnetite/titanates/perovskites and Bob's your uncle we might have a cold fusion system that actually works repeatably for once! -and a PS, the pyroelectric crystals are also usually ferroelectric too-so the fusion reaction could theoretically be maintained by applying a powerful AC electric field. Hopefully somewhere along this process we'll generate energy in the form of excess heat!