Atom-Ecology

  • A bit of time... sadly that era is over as more new reactor protocols are being baked. A second better Gamma Spectrometer has been ordered so as to provide a larger range as well as a coincident measure. The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep. These words are the only sign of Frost as things are heating up.


    OK. Perhaps the next blog entry on your atom-ecology site could address this?

  • OK. Perhaps the next blog entry on your atom-ecology site could address this?

    Like ecology as a scientific discipline in a number of venues understanding it cannot be reduced to a sound byte but here's a try. My entire atom-ecology blog is directed at understanding my view on atom-ecology as a pioneering effort into understanding nuclear science not in the deminimus form that makes reductionist math simple but rather in the holistic form where myriad factors are engaged and as such this indeed does make simple/conventional math/physics nigh unto impossible as a definitive tool. Nucleosynthesis does not take place by virture of a marriage of two, creation of new isotopes comes about as a result of dirty complicated myriad interactions of many, heaven forbid. Take some inspiration from the ocean when during a particular phase of the moon the gametes from countless individuals amongst vast numbers of species are released into their common ecosystem/soup. The majority of nature prefers a rave to a romance in life and in nucleosynthesis.

  • Russ George

    You are absolutely right. I am indeed finding that my learning curve in atom-ecology is proving difficult!


    I see that you often refer to ecology and atom-ecology on your blog. But despite reading some of your posts I am still having trouble getting to the heart of the idea. Can you suggest one or two of the posts where I could best devote some time to try and get this concept on board?

  • The heart of the matter is very simple, I think you are looking too hard. Look at the forest, not the individual trees. The uber-reductionist approach to LENR views it as a 2-body problem, D+D=He, almost as it it were simple chemistry. The atom ecology view is that LENR requires many bodies, the presence of reactants and also their choice and positioning as well as the creation of an environment (temperature, pressure, etc.) which fosters favourable niches. Niches is of course a familiar term borrowed from ecology. Here taken to mean places where special states of matter can be created, states in which the Coulomb barrier can be overcome, or in which it ceases for all practical purposes to exist. Creation of these niches might well involve complex fuel mixtures and untypical energy input regimes, both of these being part our research.

  • Well, it certainly fits at least one of the hypercycle criteria in that we seek to create a non-linear reaction network with unique properties, and from that one might hypothesize that once established this network becomes self-organising and self-maintaining. It is certainly true to say that our now 2 month old part-gram of fuel is now in a different state to the initial one, as witnessed by the fact that the gammas spectra have evolved over time and now look somewhat different. All this means we have a lot of work to do, many more experiments - right now we could do with a dozen or so skilled technicians and 4 times the space. But, regardless we do the best we can by adopting a fairly strong approach to time management.

  • The heart of the matter is very simple, I think you are looking too hard. Look at the forest, not the individual trees. The uber-reductionist approach to LENR views it as a 2-body problem, D+D=He, almost as it it were simple chemistry. The atom ecology view is that LENR requires many bodies, the presence of reactants and also their choice and positioning as well as the creation of an environment (temperature, pressure, etc.) which fosters favourable niches. Niches is of course a familiar term borrowed from ecology. Here taken to mean places where special states of matter can be created, states in which the Coulomb barrier can be overcome, or in which it ceases for all practical purposes to exist. Creation of these niches might well involve complex fuel mixtures and untypical energy input regimes, both of these being part our research.


    The spheromak is the repetitive form factor that composes every body in this LENR ecology. Atoms, sub-atomic particles, electrons, and even other more exotic particles utilize variations of this structure. By understanding how spheromaks are fundamental to our physical reality on potentially all scales, from the aether to the galactic cluster, we can start to understand not only the niches that allow for these game-changing nuclear phenomena to take place but the fundamental mechanisms that are taking place. Only when we finally learn exactly how hyperluminal particles are zipping between nuclei, undergoing absorption, being digested, and ejected again will we start being able to grasp the true nature of the universe -- not to mention cold fusion.

  • You don't think entangled particles are truly interacting over long distances magically without a physical mechanism for information exchange? The universe is filled with stuff and the matter distributed in our universe is composed of this same stuff -- call it aether particles, gyrons, or whatever you want.

  • You don't think entangled particles are truly interacting over long distances magically without a physical mechanism for information exchange? The universe is filled with stuff and the matter distributed in our universe is composed of this same stuff -- call it aether particles, gyrons, or whatever you want.

    Entanglement in LENR is supported by EMF not magic.

  • Entanglement in LENR is supported by EMF not magic.


    .... definitely not.

    Entanglement, regardless of being in LENR or in HENR or in MTNR ( or in UHENR ), has nothing do to with electromangnetism.

    May this be a dejavue ?

    I thought, most of us in here, being interested in the tehoretical explanations behind LENR, already agreed on this.

    Being a major fundamental part of established AND experimentally proven quantim mechanical effects, it is not substantial to the overall theoretical explanation of LENR to question basics of QM.. it is nothing but hot air.



  • Where are the reference(s) that supports your assertions?

  • lobservable: Entanglement, regardless of being in LENR or in HENR or in MTNR ( or in UHENR ), has nothing do to with electromagnetism.


    axil : @lobservable : Lets be fair : All mass - nuclear & particles - is defined by electro magnetism, thus Axil is partly correct.


    The remaining part is a metaphysical question: Currently physics has no clue how to separate a nested spin functions and thus two particle are e.g. indistinguishable spin entangled. Shal we call this a QM effect: Obviously not, because QM is an engineering simplification of Maxwell equations as shown, in all mathematical details, by Silvestri.

  • Maxwell was prescient in his pioneering lo those many years ago, his silver magnetic hammer is proving ever so useful these days

    I hadn't made a connection with the song... most of which seems nonsensical.


    Maxwell is well worth reading up on... I continue to do so. A fascinating life story.


    Maxwell wrote his own poems. The best known is Rigid Body Sings. It has the opening lines...

    Which inspired my response to the over-repeated 'flying pig' comment.

    Gin a body meet a body

    Flyin' through the air.

    Gin a body hit a body,

    Will it fly? And where?

    A collection of his poems was published by his friend Lewis Campbell in 1882. https://tspace.library.utoront…ml/1807/4350/poet400.html


    James Clerk Maxwell (1831-1879)

    Lectures to Women on Physical Science

    I. PLACE. -- A small alcove with dark curtains.

    The class consists of one member.

    *SUBJECT. -- Thomson’s Mirror Galvanometer.


    The lamp-light falls on blackened walls,

    And streams through narrow perforations,

    The long beam trails o’er pasteboard scales,

    With slow-decaying oscillations.

    Flow, current, flow, set the quick light-spot flying,

    Flow current, answer light-spot, flashing, quivering, dying,


    O look! how queer! how thin and clear,
    And thinner, clearer, sharper growing
    The gliding fire! with central wire,
    The fine degrees distinctly showing.
    Swing, magnet, swing, advancing and receding,
    Swing magnet! Answer dearest, What's your final reading?


    O love! you fail to read the scale
    Correct to tenths of a division.
    To mirror heaven those eyes were given,
    And not for methods of precision.
    Break contact, break, set the free light-spot flying;
    Break contact, rest thee, magnet, swinging, creeping, dying.

  • Well, it certainly fits at least one of the hypercycle criteria in that we seek to create a non-linear reaction network with unique properties, and from that one might hypothesize that once established this network becomes self-organising and self-maintaining. It is certainly true to say that our now 2 month old part-gram of fuel is now in a different state to the initial one, as witnessed by the fact that the gammas spectra have evolved over time and now look somewhat different. All this means we have a lot of work to do, many more experiments - right now we could do with a dozen or so skilled technicians and 4 times the space. But, regardless we do the best we can by adopting a fairly strong approach to time management.


    If your 2-month old fuel pellets are still producing bursts of gamma rays without a corresponding periodic stimulation then this has to be a nonlinear phenomenon.


    Two questions about these old fuel pellets that are still producing activity ... 1) are you stimulating them periodically (and if so is the period the same as the bursting period, and 2) are they still being heated to whatever temperature you were originally using or have you stopped the extrinsic heating now?

  • Russ is looking after stoking the furnace, so I don't have all the precise details, but I can tell you that is has at responded to being boosted to 800C for a brief time, and that it has continued to give gammas when allowed to cool to ambient temperature. Mostly we keep it in the 2-300C range. Right now it is 'quieter' than it was - things are changing - but it is still more active than the control. We'll pull the plug on it soon I think. Experiments are waiting in line behind it.

  • Hi there,


    I am eagerly looking at this thread but months are passing and there is completely no information other than few photos. Alan was very open minded but a lot changed at these days. What happened?

    I know you are busy with testing. But please tell me any good reason why you can't share at least very basic details? It could take two sentences to describe elements used and preparation process. With this you can't do any harm since you are not claiming anything.

    There are plenty of good replicators that are doing well and can help to confirm your results. Why you are hesitating to share anything? Of course, you want to be sure. But you do not have to claim anything while sharing what apparently is working.


    It is interesting and scary how all people that found something become silent yet they were living for Open Science previously. Then it turned out to be just nice words.

    You can't help humankind in this way and you can't make it faster either. Sorry, but after all this I just needed to express my frustration. I hope that I am wrong.

  • Well, this isn't my IP. So not mine to share the fruit of somebody else's decades of research and experiment. But we are very serious about commercialising a working system when we are sure of our ground. Meanwhile if you are curious to know more I can tell you that everything we are doing can be found in Jed Rothwell's LENR Library files, you just have to put the pieces together yourself.

  • Thanks, I understand. I know that without Russ George it would not work. He is very talented obviously. But on his blog he actually expressed need to save this planet as soon as possible.

    No, this is again about nothing else than money. Again, very bad day for LENR.

    Please look at history of all similar inventors and learn from all, repeatable failures. There were many that reached very good results. And Rossi is the best example that you can't succeed in this way. At least not in following 10 years. I just really hope that you can change opinion of Russ. Look at how long many labs are tinkering with LENR. And what we have today? Nothing.

    Just please learn from faults of others.


    We can just say RIP Open Science and LENR. Unfortunately it is worse than I thought it could be. But I wish you and Russ good luck.

  • The unfortunate history of the past decade of LENR is that secrecy, supposedly maintained to bring a process to commercialization, is actually used to conceal flaws in the basic research. Scammers and the self-deluded come to rely on the untrue argument that only the marketplace can guarantee the reality of a phenomenon and that there is no need to produce evidence int the meantime.


    To me, the Androcles research looks just like all the others so far. But a gamma-bursting pellet, treated as a black box and measured in an independent lab, would be extremely strong evidence of the reality of LENR (is there an alternative explanation for such a thing? I'm not a physicist but I think not).

  • There are no alternative explanations for the gammas beyond stupidity or criminality. And I am sure you are not accusing me of either. As for concealing flaws in the research, why on earth would I or my colleagues bother? We are not part of the academic grant slurping circus and we are not touting for cash from a bank, right now we are doing this for our own pleasure and interest. and if it works out, it will be worked out simply because the planet needs clean energy. As for sharing all the exact details, too early, and why should we? If coca Cola can keep the recipe for fizzy water secret for decades. then we can keep things secret too. Until it suits our timetable, not that of an anonymous poster on the web.

  • Just look at similarity with Rossi and his work. If any researcher will not reveal all the details within month or so then he will not reveal it at all.


    Bruce__H -- for what are verifications? Without knowing how it is working with ability to replicate it it is absolutely useless. You could always make a black box with movable shields inside so it could mimic a gamma bursts.

    And even bigger disaster is if inventor tries to patent it. Then we are even closer to say good bye LENR. Without greed we could have LENR reactors maybe for over 5 decades.


    I really, really hope Russ is smart guy and will not let his knowledge die with him as it happened many times.

  • No Alan, I think it is completely your right to keep secret and it is fully understandable. Many very good inventors did the same thing. It is just sad for human race as we can all move forward much faster.

    Knowing that you know the secret is really frustrating for all others. And I think it it is not the first time it happened within last years.

    I just know that you are in very hard situation.