Does Brilliant Light Power Reactor’s Run on Overunity Too? (a personal speculation)

  • Those who follow experiments of Brilliant Light Power (BLP) of Dr. Randell L. Mills undoubtedly realized, that – despite the hydrino theory used for their explanation – these experiments are conceptually similar to another overunity technologies based on the plasma formation during gas discharges (Papp’s plasma engine, Langmuir’s overunity from atomar hydrogen, Chernetsky plasma generato r or underwater discharges 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 for to name just a few), including the cold fusion Quark-X reactor of Andrea Rossi. In addition there is fundamental problem with identification of source of energy in the hydrino model, because Dr. Randell Mills says, that hydrino is energetically most stable ash, so it should pile-up inside our Universe at various places, not to say about forming compounds presented by Dr. Mills. From this perspective his hypothesis, that the hydrino forms dark matter also gives sense – but it should preferably clump and to form hydrino based dense objects all around us – which was never observed.

    In dense aether model perspective there is no reason for why the hydrino should be stable, more stable than ground state of hydrogen the more. In this model the particles in vacuum resemble pollen grains floating at the water surface being shaken by its Brownian noise. The similar noise (colloquially called Zero Point Energy) in vacuum is caused by vacuum fluctuations and it’s responsible for the fact, that superfluid helium doesn’t freeze even at zero absolute temperature. We can imagine, that quantum fluctuations of vacuum are shaking with helium atoms and they’re prohibiting them in their arranging into crystal. The similar effect would also prohibit the formation of more compact sub-quantum states, which are considered by Rande l Mills theory. If we squeeze the atoms more, they will not collapse into hydrinos, but they will bounce back into basic quantum state once the pressure gets released (this effect keeps the stars before collapse and it is called degenerated pressure). We can imagine some exotic situations, where subquantum states could be still preferred, like the Casimir vacuum inside metal nanocracks or surface cavities of metals of negative curvature – but just these situations are missing in BLP’s experiments with exploding wires and/or SunCell® reactor, which contains only molten or evaporate d metal (silver) and plasma – nothing else.

    Another pilar of Randell Mills theory is nonradiation condition (see also Sommerfeld radiation condition), which is supposed to stabilize hydrino atoms in accordance to hydrino model. Dr. Mills considers, that hydrogen orbitals form thin spherical shells, the electronic transition of whose get suppressed in similar way, like the radiation of spherical antennae. This is correct insight, but by itself it wouldn’t make hydrino atoms energetically richer. Instead it, it promotes special way of electronic transitions – so called forbidden mechanism, during which the orbital shell collapses all at once during very brief time, being metastable. In my theory of overunity such a metastable transition is of negentropic character, because the spherical shape of electron orbitals prohibits the smooth transition – so it can include negentropic effects, being assisted by vacuum fluctuations. Negentropic effects are quite common in the nature and they involve all irreversible transitions like oversaturation, overheating or overcooling effects, when the energy is not released smoothly – but after overcoming some activation energy. At the moment when this energy gets supplied by vacuum fluctuations, then the net result during fast repeating these transitions can be positive instead of negative.

    Considering that energy transitions of hydrogen can be also forbidden, it would mean, that it’s not the hydrino formation itself, but the highly symmetric, i.e. spherical geometry of orbital transition is responsible for observed surplus of energy, claimed by Randall Mills. This explanation actually doesn’t exclude the existence of subquantum statees of hydrogen, on the contrary – it just doesn’t require to be stable, more stable than fundamental ground state the more. It also means, that Dr. Mills hydrino theory is not downright wrong – but merely incomplete description of the reality of BLP process and patents. The advantage of this explanation is, it comprehends another observations of overunity in plasma, which could have the same origin – even without permanent formation of hydrinos. Their atoms just should be present in fully dissociated atomar state (as Lan gmuir al so has found) – because only such a state provides perfectly spherically symmetric orbitals. But monoatomar noble gases and their mixtures (dtto Papp’s engine) are usable for this purpose too. It could also explain, why Dr. Mills observed his overunity effects mostly in ultraviolet spectrum, where the hydrogen atoms get fully dissociated into atomic hydrogen. In this sense it may be important, that some aditives (chlorine or oxygen) may assist during hydrogen ionization or recombination in similar way, like catalytic metals promoted by Dr. Mills (tungsten, silver?).

    Of course the overunity during atomar hydrogen recombination could apply also to most recent QuarkX reactor of Andrea Rossi in lesser or greater extent thus complementing nuclear reactions (cold fusion) – but this is just a speculation in a given moment. What is more important is, the assistance of vacuum fluctuations during symmetric collapse of spherical fields may apply to wide range of another overunity phenomena at various scales – from isomerization of nuclei (Valee synergic generator) over plasma overunity (as noted above) to collapse of magnetic domains during saturation of ferromagnets (MEG of T. Beardeen and/or various magnetic motors) and/or collapse of bubbles during cavitation (Rosh buyoance engine) and/or even collapsing fields inside spherical capacitors (Testatica of Paul Baumann) and conical/concentric bucking coils of (various Tesla and Kapanadze generators). These perspective are currently subject of my undergoing private research.

  • This is a 1:1 repost from article presented at reddit and E-Cat World originally (many thanks to Mr. Acland for his kind translation of my blurbs from my usual "Czenglish"... :-)

    The reading of reddit post Simplest theory of overunity devices possible is recommended for understanding its context. The general line of reasoning is as follows:


    1. The overunity (actually just a violation of 2nd law of thermodynamics) may be possible by utilization of zero point energy of quantum fluctuations of vacuum
    2. This utilization is possible by exploiting macroscopic negentropic phenomena violating the thermodynamic time arrow like the overheating, overcooling, negative resistance and all phenomena requiring overcoming of activation potential energy barrier.
    3. One such a potential barrier possible follows from nonradiating condition of spherical atom orbitals, on which hydrino theory of Dr. Randell Mills is also based.
  • Sonoluminescence is the emission of short bursts of light from imploding bubbles in a liquid when excited by sound. Collapsing bubbles have hot plasma core: laboratories have measured the center of the bubble at thousands of degrees, with recorded temperatures going as high as 20,000° Celsius. A proposal for research and development in the area of high energy sonoluminescence hypersonic focused shockwaves. See also Sonoluminiscence recipe, Bluish flash of sonoluminiscence (YouTube video).


    Couldn't the above mechanism of overunity, subquantum mechanics from Casimir vacuum or cold fusion explain the overunity effects of cavitation heaters? See for example quantum radiation model by Schwinger and Eberlein. They used Unruh radiation aka Dynamic Casimir effect to explain the phenomenon LeClair experiments with laser induced fusion in water above solid surfaces are also more or less just about cavitation. It's worth to note, that the spherically symmetric collisions (in Taleyrkhan sonoluminiscence style) should be less effective for cold fusion than shock waves and emergent cracks - but more effective for explanation by scalar overunity mechanism.

  • In dense aether model the vacuum is elastic and it should mediate waves not only between dipoles but also within spherically symmetric capacitors and spherical radiators in Tesla/K.Meyl style. The simplest evidence of scalar wave field consist in demonstration of electromagnetic induction without magnetic field. Hooper-Monstein experiment has been conducted by in 1992 and it shows that an electromagnetic induction can be produced even when magnetic field remains equal to zero. The original arrangement of experiment was often subject of critique - IMO it should be demonstrated more consequentially by pair of Ledskalnin's bucking coils, which generate monopole-like field during current impulse. This arrangement has been used in configuration of many overunity devices claimed so far. The point here is, if we are approaching two magnets in repulsive arrangement, then the energy exerted into their approaching should be released back in full extent once we allow them to return into original position like the spring - if we are still getting some inductive current from coil placed between them, then this energy could be considered free.

  • Another pilar of Randell Mills theory is nonradiation condition (see also Sommerfeld radiation condition), which is supposed to stabilize hydrino atoms in accordance to hydrino model. Dr. Mills considers, that hydrogen orbitals form thin spherical shells, the electronic transition of whose get suppressed in similar way, like the radiation of spherical antennae. This is correct insight, but by itself it wouldn’t make hydrino atoms energetically richer.


    This is a miss understanding hydrino atoms are not energetically richer! The total energy is supposed to be lower than that of H2.


    The problem with Mills model is that the Bohr radius is a saddle point. All Orbits above/below are subject to eccentricity and thus should radiate. But which energy should be radiated from "negative" (hydrino) energy state? Mills claims that the central force increases and the resulting orbit is circular again.


    But there is no proof given (by Mills) how this additional force - to bend the orbit - is generated. This is the reason why I only talk of hydrino like resonances, that are by no way forbidden and must have an eccentric orbit.


    The magnitude of 0-point energy is h/2. To collect a useful amount of "h/2" quanta an awful number of them must be collected. How this should be possible in a repeatable (not a single harvest) way has nowhere been proven.

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    This is a miss understanding hydrino atoms are not energetically richer! The total energy is supposed to be lower than that of H2


    That's correct, hydrino is supposed to be ash of reaction and as such energetically poorer. My bad.


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    All Orbits above/below are subject to eccentricity and thus should radiate


    Why do you think so? 2s orbitals are supposed to be as spherical as these 1s ones.


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  • Why do you think so? 2s orbitals are supposed to be as spherical as these 1s ones.


    This is classical understanding. In Mills formalism the photon that gives the extra -energy is locked in orthogonally to the electron orbit. Of course the deviation of the resulting orbit from a circular orbit is very small. But this modeling allows to exactly recover the momentum (recoil) for the re-emmited photon at the emission time and also explains the radiative extra current that violates the non radiation condition.

    The resulting axes for the magnetic moment should also slightly change due to a change in precision frequency.


    In the hypothetical "hydrino" case things looks different, as the force and the energy do not match for a circular orbit.

  • Zephir_AWT and I have a like mind in that the SunCell and the SK reactor are probably running the same reaction. The SAFIRE system is probably also producing the same plasma based reaction. After all, how many plasma based reactions can there be? I think all three systems have stumbled onto this reaction and really don't understand how it works. This reaction is marked by an extremity high power density. As Mills points out, the production of such a high power densities is a contraindication of any sort of chemical reaction. One SunCell meltdown vaporized a hundred pounds of tungsten is a few seconds. The SAFIRE system can produce bursts of power up to 20 megawatts though bursts of 2 megawatts are more common. Mills says that 20 megawatts of power is produced in the volume of a teacup. In SAFIRE, LENR type ash is found so this strange hydrogen based reaction may well be a new type of LENR reaction. And in SAFIRE, no radiation is detected either in the ash or emitted from the energy bursts. Whoever can bring this new reaction under control will really have something special.

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    Zephir_AWT and I have a like mind in that the SunCell and the SK reactor are probably running the same reaction


    I seriously doubt it (1, 2) - whole this post is that SunCell reactor DOESN'T run on LENR. You're just confused twaddler, who just parrots last idea or finding which you just read...

  • I seriously doubt it (1, 2) - whole this post is that SunCell reactor DOESN'T run on LENR. You're just confused twaddler, who just parrots last idea or finding which you just read...


    I know one thing that I don't beleive...Mills hydrino theory. How can 20 Megawatts be produced in a teacup sized volume using chemistry? Your beliefs are based on twaddle.

  • Infinity SAV USA recently acquired a US patent, in a transaction valued at over $3 million, that protects its generator technology that “produces several times more power than it takes to operate”. The generator is powered solely by permanent magnets. Infinity’s US Patent 7,095,126 B2 is the first (?) patent issued for a motor and generator / alternator feedback loop combination that continuously produces excess energy.


    IMO it's typical "troll" patent useless with respect to actual overunity generation - unfortunately it covers wide range of so-called QMoGen systems (the shape of the letter Q refers to the idea of "self-looped with energy left over", mo = motor gen = generator) consisting of motor and dynamo coupled by pulley or directly by common axis. Just these types of generators became widespread in YouTube free energy fakes. From my perspective the investment into such a patent still represents a good new, as it indicates, that Gary Tripp - founder and owner of Infinity SAV Co. - plans serious business and not just to sell his inventions to some CIA backed company (like the Akula and Stepanov did), which would burrow them for ever before public.


    More info about InfinitySAV Team generator, Australians can already buy the scalar dynamo working on the same principle, info about Thaiwan clone, new amateur replica (?)

  • Infinity SAV USA recently acquired a US patent, in a transaction valued at over $3 million, that protects its generator technology that “produces several times more power than it takes to operate”. The generator is powered solely by permanent magnets. Infinity’s US Patent 7,095,126 B2 is the first (?) patent issued for a motor and generator / alternator feedback loop combination that continuously produces excess energy.


    What is the problem?? The patent is of 2004. There was ample time to make money out of it...

  • Brilliant. Who else would buy a free energy patent than someone who believes they have invented a free energy machine.


    I notice it says the deal is worth $3m not that they paid $3m. Perhaps they agreed a licence deal that requires them to pay a $1 royalty on every machine they sell and they plan to sell 3m free energy machines?

  • We often discuss suncell GUTCP etc, but It would be nice to agree on some facts that Mills bring forward, that we can agree is true. Let me suggest that we could all agree that his charge densities has the property that they does not radiate and possess the needed property that it can yield a discrete set of orbetals as we know the atom has. If you doubt you may read this:


    nonradiation

  • Let me suggest that we could all agree that his charge densities has the property that they does not radiate and possess the needed property that it can yield a discrete set of orbetals as we know the atom has.


    Key of GUT-CP is the correct derivation of the magnetic energy. The non radiation condition is a missing piece of QM as the QM theory cannot explain the stability of the state(s). The non radiation condition only affects the electric energy and can be understood as a small enhancement of QM.


    QM, as mentioned many times ago, completely fails to incorporate the internal magnetic energy and thus is just an engineering level theory, suitable for higher orbits calculations. QM is by no way a fundamental theory. Nevertheless for certain low energy problems it is the best approach, because the probabilities can easily interpolate dynamic behavior.

  • I also tried to add it to stack exchange phys in order to get more review of the question and solution. I have not answered the question there, but It could be interesting to get some comments. Good comments so far that imporved the quality of the stated question. See pse

  • I also tried to add it to stack exchange phys in order to get more review of the question and solution. I have not answered the question there, but It could be interesting to get some comments. Good comments so far that imporved the quality of the stated question. See pse


    Even if it is possible to design a dynamic charge system that does not radiate as predicted by our classic non-quantum model, is it also possible to realize this with real electrons?


    Is it possible that such a system could be stable? I do not think so, the graininess introduced by quantum mechanics is necessary. It works like the pegs on Lego bricks.


    Here you can find some deep thoughts on the subject:


    Quantum Mechanics, The Stability of Matter and Quantum Electrodynamics
    by Elliott H. Lieb

  • @HG, my view is that there should be a link between QM and GUTCP, I don't diss QM as much as Mills. Standard model is well, here I'm with Wyttenbach.

    Also look up the work by Goedecke he actually shows a Heisenbergs inequaltity kind of statements for non radiating classical fields.

  • Here you can find some deep thoughts on the subject:


    Quantum Mechanics, The Stability of Matter and Quantum Electrodynamics
    by Elliott H. Lieb


    H-G Branzell : Such papers are my concern, as the authors do not try to find an answer from real physics and just cite the nonsense others invented:


    Citation: Thus, the basic stability problem for an atom was solved by an inequality that says that ⟨1/|x|⟩, the expected value of 1/|x|, can be made large only at the expense of making the kinetic energy, which is proportional to ⟨p2⟩, even larger.


    The above is not completely true: If the electron goes closer to the nucleus the field energy decreases. As better models show: The field energy is what counts for the nuclear mass. Thus the overall mass does not increase. The only question is the relativistic part of the dEkin of the electron, which slightly increases for the upper orbits.

    (But whether the electron does fully gravitate or not is an open question!!)


    For deep orbits the story is quite different because the Einstein/Minkovski metric fails and all classic paper can be put into the thrash.


    Citation: The nuclei are fixed because they are so massive relative to the electron that their motion is irrelevant.


    This is already wrong for the hydrogen Nucleus. But for higher Z the electrons more or less average the field and there is no reduced mass equivalent. The argument is wrong but the consequence is correct...


    To understand the problems of QM just read chapter "4.1.1 One-Electron Atom"


    Mills showed (detailed math!!) that the magnetic field interaction of the proton/electron pair - by mere luck - is just equivalent to the QM reduced mass formula. QM uses the reduced mass without knowing it's true origin.

    Already for 4-He the reduced mass formula no longer works, because of the symmetry of the electrons. Further on the magnetic orbital coupling of the electron with the nuclear mass is only given by two out of 4 space dimensions, what reduces the absolute value of the coupling. Standard model folks forget that all mass is of electromagnetic nature and magnetic forces do not couple radially. In fact they induce torque!

    To work just with the Coulomb gauge is OK as I said before for high level QM orbits, but all tries of QED to use the same mechanism for nuclear dimensions, are not more than educated nonsense. The true physical space is SO(4) and not any combination of SO(3) SU(2) with Pauli matrixes. This just covers (less than) halve of the space...


    The alleged results of QED stem from the fact that some problems staying in SO(4) do have a valid projection into the classical space (SO(3) SU(2) with Pauli matrixes). In fact SO(4) is the cross product of the classical space.

  • Maybe so. What Mills needs to show is a reactor which actually produces lots of accurately measurable net extra energy for a long enough time. Also, a way to detect, collect, trap, hold and analyze hydrinos. Then, his theories may be more worth spending the time to attempt comprehension.

  • Maybe so. What Mills needs to show is a reactor which actually produces lots of accurately measurable net extra energy for a long enough time. Also, a way to detect, collect, trap, hold and analyze hydrinos. Then, his theories may be more worth spending the time to attempt comprehension.


    Indeed we need the full operational prove for at least some hours of heat production.


    I personally would be very surprised if we ever get stable "hydrinos" in any form. But this has nothing to do with his theory which deals 99.9% with real physics.


    As I mentioned many times before: There are stable forms of Hydrogen (H*) with a reduced radius e.g. used in Santillis Magne-Fuel or Holmlids dense Deuterium (Hydrogen). But both have nothing in common with "Hydrinos" .


    Thus if Mills SunCell works, it is because he is fussing Hydrogen and not because he is producing his claimed "Hydrinos" . Of course he could also see strings of H* but again this is Holmlid like matter...


    The best prove of absence of Hydrinos is the complete missing of spectral evidence for any claimed "Hydrino" form < H1/4!!