ICCF21 Thread

  • Greenyer got plenty of air time at ICCF21. Some of his questions were good and some made him look & sound foolish. He ran his presentations every afternoon

    of the poster sessions and even on the remaining mountain top bus while the rangers were searching for the missing David French. The Parkomov 1700C transmutation video / claims are interesting but the record remains - nothing has ever worked in his lab when outside visitors are in attendance. We'll see if that changes.


    Frank Gordon, formerly of NRL, filled the only open slot that I was aware of while Ruby got a promo snippet moment as well. Greenyer is a smart gent but his O'day fundraising antics have severely impaired his credibility with the field. He did get his own MFMP video moment at the end of Forsley's presentation on Friday. The debate is still on as to whether that was a visionary at work moment or a comedic slice of the jugular. One thing is for sure after this conference - Rossi is a forgotten speck in the rear view mirror of time .

  • Greenyer got plenty of air time at ICCF21. Some of his questions were good and some made him look & sound foolish. He ran his presentations every afternoon

    of the poster sessions and even on the remaining mountain top bus while the rangers were searching for the missing David French. The Parkomov 1700C transmutation video / claims are interesting but the record remains - nothing has ever worked in his lab when outside visitors are in attendance. We'll see if that changes.


    Frank Gordon, formerly of NRL, filled the only open slot that I was aware of while Ruby got a promo snippet moment as well. Greenyer is a smart gent but his O'day fundraising antics have severely impaired his credibility with the field. He did get his own MFMP video moment at the end of Forsley's presentation on Friday. The debate is still on as to whether that was a visionary at work moment or a comedic slice of the jugular. One thing is for sure after this conference - Rossi is a forgotten speck in the rear view mirror of time .


    I'm curious. whose jugular is being sliced, and if it is being sliced, why is it being sliced?

  • Axil - that is up for debate. The video snippet played by Forsley at the end of his hybrid reactor project intro with NASA featured Back to the Future's Mr. Fusion with a beer can followed by some MFMP team members (at the time) pounding beers in Korea and with Greenyer getting bothered that someone had taken his beer provided that I interpreted correctly. Forsley has a wicked sense of humor and is possibly still howling over this end of conference tagging.

  • If what you state is in fact the case, way weren't the rules of the conference suspended as a courtesy in light of the high respect that is being universally afforded to Bob and his open source organization?


    Axil,


    What is up with you tonight? Appears to me you are going off the deep end, ranting and raving with little meaning. Jed, MMcKubre, and now DW, have tried to explain that BG was not treated disrespectfully in their opinion.


    If BG disagrees, he is more than welcome to reply here. He has an open invitation to LF, and we would love to have him become a regular. A little tougher place than ECW, but that is actually good for LENR.

  • You'll make the rules. You also break people that are interested in LENR.

    Me? Do you mean I make the rules? No, I do not. I have no influence. The rules I refer to are informal but they are followed in every academic conference. If Greenyer wanted to give a presentation or poster session he should have submitted an abstract. As someone said above, he wasn't sure he could attend, so he did not submit an abstract. That's reasonable. I wouldn't go to the trouble to write an abstract, presentation and poster if I wasn't sure I could make it. It is a lot of work.


    (I know what I am talking about here. I have presented papers in previous conferences but I did not this time, because it is too much work. I was dragooned into presenting Mizuno's paper at the last minute and it was a heck of a lot of work.)

  • Axil,


    What is up with you tonight? Appears to me you are going off the deep end, ranting and raving with little meaning. Jed, MMcKubre, and now DW, have tried to explain that BG was not treated disrespectfully in their opinion.


    If BG disagrees, he is more than welcome to reply here. He has an open invitation to LF, and we would love to have him become a regular. A little tougher place than ECW, but that is actually good for LENR.


    Some advice from The Godfather: Santino, never let anyone outside the family know what you are thinking.

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    One thing is for sure after this conference - Rossi is a forgotten speck in the rear view mirror of time .


    That's lovely as long as the lesson of Rossi is kept in mind when considering future proposals, test results, and demonstrations and not just Rossi's. There were other "Rossi's" before him and they were just as flagrant in other energy ventures and in business and finance. Yet, Rossi was well funded without competent testing before and during the work. His work was done with minimal or insufficient oversight. Worse yet, he was essentially allowed to judge his own results and be his own customer for the better part of a year!

  • 7of20 - not quite. After the empty reactor with a COP of 8 incident, R was allowed to run enough rope out during that one year to effectively end his career as a cold-fusioneer. We didn't think that he would actually litigate with all the data and facts stacked against him but the guy's audacity is beyond compare. He is quite good at what he does.

  • You'll make the rules. You also break people that are interested in LENR. but just don't fit in to the way things are done. If you'll don't think they are worth enough or threaten or offend you'll, or disagree with you'll then they are dispatched to the dust bin. I understand, it just human.

    Have you ever been to a physics conference? You talk as if assigning a time slot to talk gives a person awesome power. As if everyone in the conference listens to the speaker. It isn't like that. Half the people are out in the hall gabbing or exchanging notes and papers. Many others are in the meeting hall but they are looking at iPhones or computers and paying no attention. People wander in and out. Many have no idea what the speaker is talking about, and no interest. After lunch, after a coffee break, or during a theory session the hall is half empty.


    So even if I had some power to deny Greenyer a presentation slot, I would hardly be "dispatching" him to a "dust bin."


    I do not recall whether he even put up a poster. If he didn't, then he himself did not bother to take the opportunity to tell people about his work. A poster can reach as many people as a speaking slot. A poster plus schmoozing in the hallway can reach more than a speaking slot.

  • A.R is good at what he does.

    The EcatQX is soon ready to market

    followed by the EcatSK.

    Sam12,

    I wish I could have the faith you do! A working LENR reactor with large output would truly be a gift to our world.


    However, I have personally followed Rossi since 2011. Originally a supporter and willing to "wait and see".


    By Rossi's OWN actions, he has removed any faith I had that he is legit. By his OWN actions, he has proved many times to be a liar and con.


    "The EcatQX is soon ready to market..." You may have come to the scene lately, but this statement has been extolled by many over the past 7 years and not once has it come true.


    The eCat is ready for market...

    The Hot Cat is ready for market...

    The 1MW plant is ready for market...

    The Quark is ready for market...


    Each time, a new "model" arose and took the previous ones place. And now the "SK" is being positioned to do so as well. EVERY previous iteration, Rossi stated the next generation would NOT supplant it, that he would continue commercialization, yet he ALWAYS DID drop it. The QX will be no different because this is Rossi's mode of operendi.


    Soon he will state "The SK is such an advance over the QX that the CUSTOMERS are demanding that he drop the QX and commercialize the SK". It is what he always says.


    EXCEPT...

    Rossi never explicitly states what advantages the new model REALLY has over the old. Can you tell me specifically what the SK offers the QX does not? Most will says more power, better control, higher heat? Yet he stated this about the QX over the 1MW plant. He stated he had "Sigma 5" on the QX. Simply more lies.


    Rossi does NOT have a customer. (His previous major customer was himself. During the trial depositions, he admitted there was none, while still posting on JONP that he had a major new customer)


    Rossi does NOT have a robotic factory. (He has claimed this for 7 years. Yet the trial depositions, he admitted it was a lie and that he had none)


    Remember this... Rossi is not lying to us skeptics on this forum.... he is lying to YOU and his other supporters on JONP! Almost all eventually realize this and eventually fade in their support. There are only about 3-4 supporters left from even 3-4 years ago. Ackland, which makes money from his eCat Word site so I kind of understand that, Adrian, and yes, even Alan Smith! (I cannot understand why) The list that have abandoned Rossi is far, far, far to long to list.


    You really should learn from history and the mistakes of others!

  • Some good points Bob.

    I see that one original Rossi follower still

    seems to be a believerThe knowlegable,street wise elder statesman

    Iggy Dairyimple.Clovis Ray also is but

    has not commented much lately.

    Regards

    Sam

  • I cannot understand what this obsession with Rossi is all about. I don't remember him even saying that his reactors were LENR reactors. Rossi does not know what LENR is. There are bigger and more sinister con men out there to obsess about. Theranos, a blood-testing startup that's been valued at $9 billion is an example of a more sinister con.


    Could it be that if Rossi was not constantly criticized, then there would be nothing to talk about. Just let Rossi fade into history. Find something interesting to occupy the forum.


    Do you constantly have disturbing uncontrollable thoughts? Do you feel the urge to repeat the same behaviors or rituals over and over and over and over and over ? ... Your doctor may refer you to a mental health specialist. Enough is enough.

  • I cannot understand what this obsession with Rossi is all about. I don't remember him even saying that his reactors were LENR reactors. Rossi does not know what LENR is. There are bigger and more sinister con men out there to obsess about. Theranos, a blood-testing startup that's been valued at $9 billion is an example of a more sinister con.

    Rossi told me this is LENR. If it were real, it would resemble Ni-H cold fusion claims such as Piantelli's.


    But anyway, why are you of all people saying this? As far as I know you believe Rossi. You are a supporter. As I recall, you are such a fanatical supporter, you refuse to read Rossi's own Penon report, I suppose because you cannot face facts and see your hero Rossi as he really is.


    Theranos may be more sinister. Or idiotic. The price tag was higher. But if Rossi derailed cold fusion, the outcome would be infinitely more harmful than a few billionaires being bilked out of $9 billion. He almost derailed it, but perhaps it will survive now.

  • Rossi told me this is LENR. If it were real, it would resemble Ni-H cold fusion claims such as Piantelli's.


    But anyway, why are you of all people saying this? As far as I know you believe Rossi. You are a supporter. As I recall, you are such a fanatical supporter, you refuse to read Rossi's own Penon report, I suppose because you cannot face facts and see your hero Rossi as he really is.


    Theranos may be more sinister. Or idiotic. The price tag was higher. But if Rossi derailed cold fusion, the outcome would be infinitely more harmful than a few billionaires being bilked out of $9 billion. He almost derailed it, but perhaps it will survive now.


    Don't you remember that you almost got me banned from Vortex because of my criticism of Rossi? I if wasn't for some friendly support, I would be out of LENR.