ICCF21 Thread

Quote from THHuxleynew

perhaps somone who was there can enlighten

I viewed Miles' talk more of a historical background talk instead of a "how to make heat" talk. He spent some time talking about China Lake and the "politics" of the situation. It was about work done some time ago.

I do know that several are now working on getting material made (Pd B) and that they want to get it into hands of people to try using it. Also McKubre should be giving a talk at the up coming Italy meeting on the role of B.

Quote from THHuxleynew

This material is highly unsatisfactory. Perhaps I am missing some context that all at ICCF21 would have, but here is why I say this:

(1) The presentation is about excess power measurements

(2) The precise amount of excess power is headlined and discussed as though it indicates something important about the system

You might want to wait for the paper. Or you can contact Miles and tell him what you think before he writes the paper. He is prompt, unlike most researchers, so he will be writing it soon.

Well if there is to be a paper I will indeed wait for that.

I can understand that if you accept all the excess heat results as (effectively) necessarily due to a new phenomenon, and know that significant error is very highly unlikely, a talk like that is appropriate, though the lack of a little extra detail is still unfortunate. But few people outside the LENR community would be in that position..

Quote from AlainCo

Ruby Carat on Cold Fusion Now publishes presentations of ICCF21, to be completed with time.

See thosepages with summaries, photographies, and already some audio

• Monday: http://co ldfusionnow.org/interviews/iccf21/iccf-21-monday-june-4-presentations/
• Tuesday: http://coldfusionnow.org/inter…day-june-5-presentations/

I imagine Wenesday, Thusrday, Friday will come soon.

Alain

I cannot get Monday link to work.

Quote from AlainCo

Ruby Carat on Cold Fusion Now publishes presentations of ICCF21, to be completed with time.

See thosepages with summaries, photographies, and already some audio

• Monday: http://coldfusionnow.org/inter…day-june-4-presentations/
• Tuesday: http://coldfusionnow.org/inter…day-june-5-presentations/

I imagine Wenesday, Thusrday, Friday will come soon.

Is there a link to the associated slides available yet?

Quote from AlainCo

The only slides I've seen are published by Jed on LENR-CANR

The conference organizers asked for copies of slides which they will upload, but I do not think they have uploaded them yet. I don't see them on the web site.

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Co-host Roger Green

Hasn't he been selling rights to market non-existent ecats-for-sale for going on 8 years? Maybe he should switch to flying pigs? Same chance of success.

Here is another web site of his: http://www.ecoglobalfuels.com/

I am sure he will save the world "soon."

Quote from Shane D.

How even samples from the same batch can be morphologically different, affecting the XH gain. And how the Pd grows in volume (shortens, but widens) with loading, and how that relates to the robustness of the XH.

It took him about a year to test the Tanaka Precious Metals samples. There were just over 90 samples, as I recall, and he found 3 or 4 that met his requirements. They all produced excess heat. Samples that did not meet the requirements did not produce heat. The requirements and test procedures used to sort the cathodes out are described here:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEhowtoprodu.pdf

It takes a long time to do these procedures manually. About a year, as I said. I believe machines could be devised to speed up the process for laboratory experiments. For commercial production, you would want to manufacture cathodes that fit the requirements in the first place, rather than collecting hundreds of cathodes and winnowing out a few that will work.

The people at the ENEA also did extensive materials research and characterized cathodes that will work.

Quote from Shane D.

[...] Of particular note, starting at 30:00, he talks about seeing low energy photons, and energetic deuterons, but then talks about something of "strange characteristics" he has never seen. He thinks it is very important, and said he has been "loath to publish", but asked the audience to study it, and that he was open to whatever explanation they could think of. In his opinion, this strange radiation could "reveal something very unusual, and important" about the type of nuclear reaction taking place on the surface material.

I took the time to transcribe that part, but I couldn't properly understand a few words.

* * * * *

[25:56] Brian Scanlan then supported me. Brian is a very interesting [?] guy. He made his money and software, but he always wanted to be a physicist. And now that he had the money he could become a physicist so he created a laboratory in the basement of his pool house, it's the only pool house in Greenwich, Connecticut. It's the guy's cold fusion laboratory, actually. Very, very strange. But anyway we worked together very nicely; he had a theory on how this can work and so we worked on that, but one of the experiments we did and he funded was exploring the gas discharge, looking for radiation produced by the discharge. And that was truly extraordinary. And you can see the discharge is here, that's the anode and the cathode; within this shroud of aluminum oxide, and so the discharge takes place right in there. And there whatever ions are produced or whatever ions are injected they are detected by both a Geiger counter and [..?] detector. So I could determine the energy and the characteristics.

[27:25] And that was done because I had the ability to impose various absorbers between the detector and the source and the way of which those absorbers changed the energy and the intensity can reveal the nature of the radiation. The nature of the radiation turned out to be absolutely extraordinary. First of all, we did see photons. Fairly low energy, but not strong enough to get out of the apparatus. But we also saw this behavior, this was verified as energetic deuterons and they come off in... this is the spectrum of energy process intensity, and the ones that had the least intensity—the least energy—have the maximum intensity. And you can see it drops down... these things are very very energetic, we're talking about MeV, these can only be made [?] out of a nuclear reaction.

[28:25] So, these are coming out of some kind of nuclear reaction that is taking place on the surface, but they're coming out with this rather strange characteristic. I could never make sense of it. So, I was loathe to publish it very widely, but maybe some of you have the imagination to figure out what this means, I'll be happy to share the information with you if you can do that, because this is truly unusual, very novel and no doubt reveals something very very important about the nuclear reaction. Well, Brian and I then set about trying to reproduce the Rossi flavor [?]. And we came to the conclusion that Rossi does not use nickel. We tried exploring all kinds of nickel, including the one that he claimed to use, and none of them produced anything, in fact there was no evidence that they could produce anything.

[29:29] What I believe is that Rossi actually used a commercial catalyst, because he was trying to initiate a reaction between gases to make a liquid fuel. You would not have used solid nickel for that purpose. You would have used a nickel-clad catalyst. So I went to the literature and looked about the kind of catalyst that you would apply for that particular reaction, and that's known, and I tried to order some and then saw [..?]. Now, that's maybe coincidental or maybe I just simply bought out all the available catalyst, so it's not available to anybody else. Anyway, Rossi is a strange phenomena, but you have to be incredibly careful in believing and analyzing what he says, because some of it is true and some of it is not true.

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[28:25] ... Well, Brian andI then set about trying to reproduce the Rossi flavor [?]. And we came to theconclusion that Rossi does not use nickel. We tried exploring all kinds ofnickel, including the one that he claimed to use, and none of them producedanything, in fact there was no evidence that they could produce anything.

Wrong conclusion. They didn't use the right nickel, in the proper alloy and correct configuration. They should have tried this one:

Credits:

Position of the cartridge:

Usage: turn on the switch. Wait until the coolant reach the boiling temperature. Find one or more professors who publicly state that the escaping steam is dry.