ICCF21 Thread

Quote from Shane D.

I have listened to the Storms, McKubre, Forsley, Biberian, Mosier-Boss, Norman Cook, Swartz, Hagelstein, Miley, Tanzella, Letts audios, and a couple other speakers whose English was hard to follow. I can not say anything really sticks out as earth shattering.

I was mainly focused on hearing those tidbits related to commercialization of either a consumer product, or lab kit to send to the Universities. Swartz seems close, but he was also close 18 years ago...in other words, nothing new. Miley says he could probably cobble together a 30 or 50W unit using grams of fuel, but he did not sound too enthusiastic about it.

IMO, GEC appears closest to having something, but Forsley, or Mosier-Boss, did not reveal anything on the commercial side we did not already know. Basically they talked about their patent submitted in 2007, and approved in 2013. Little about their joint NASA venture. Good stuff though, in that what they said confirmed many aspects of the SPAWAR JWK LENR and the claims made by Global Energy Corporation (GEC) thread.

One of those I most wanted to hear from was the Safire reps, yet I see no audio from them on CFN. Did they do a presentation, and if so what did they say? BG over on ECW says they listened to him during breaks, but were tight lipped in return when he tried to compare notes. Their lead spokesman Childs is set to speak http://www.electricuniverseuk.com/events.html#os so maybe we will get a report from what he says there later on.

Which brings me to what sticks out most to me, and that was McKubre and his lecture against secrecy in the field. He claims "everyone one of you is concealing something". I am but a person on a forum, but if my opinion means anything, I would have to agree with him. We see so many of our own examples right here, and on ECW with me356, Suhas, Lion, and ahem. Other examples go back to the earliest days of CF when someone, or some group, thinks they have figured it out, smell money, and go dark. They had their Eneco back then, formed to capitalize on the advances, and we have our IH today doing the same.

Nothing wrong with secrets, and making money BTW, but unfortunately it never seems to come to anything other than the few *pieces* of the puzzle they really had, get buried alongside them. As McKubre mentions; we consume tremendous amounts of resources rediscovering that same piece of the puzzle they took to the grave. Well, he did not quite say it that way, but close.

Frustrating, and one can not help but wonder if the field is it's own worse enemy, as many of the old guard have said before? Nonetheless, my hat is off to Storms, Biberian, the Japanese, and MFMP who are committed to open science first, and profit second.

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Secrecy is one reason why I've been quiet lately, among others. Several months ago, after a period of intensive study consisting of obsessive compulsive all-night-long literature searches, I reached the conclusion that ultra-high-power LENR+ (or whatever funky term you want to use) is likely a ubiquitous phenomenon that a multitude of researchers have witnessed. But there are a multitude of problems moving forward from unexplained laboratory reactor meltdown to practical "guaranteed to work" technology: the hardcore academic personalities don't seem to have the desire to recreate or even enhance an effect they view as potentially dangerous, other researchers who are more courageous don't have the resources (money, labor, time) to boldly pursue these anomalies, and the very few individuals who figure out what's going on in their system and gain a practical understanding of how to make them work repeatedly and consistently contract the truly awful affliction of inventors syndrome (A.K.A Patterson Syndrome, Rossi Syndrome, me356 syndrome, etc).

They realize that the technology, once you gain an adequate understanding and know how that comes from hands on experience, is fundamentally simple; with proper instruction even a caveman could build a high temp reactor capable of self sustain (until it melts down at least). This leads them into a thought chain which makes them realize a few significant truths: there are lots of potential competitors around (ignoring the fact the market is immensely vast with room for everyone), the technology is so powerful governments will likely attempt to apply staunch regulations on it's usage and proliferation (ignoring the fact a technology this simple will never be able to be controlled), and there is a huge amount of room for rapid improvement (letting them get carried away with better and better implementations). Finally, they conclude, "if I'm going to make anything from all my time, labor, and money sunk into this, I have to keep my know how secret." I think they internally justify this because they believe the tech is so simple that it is bound to emerge in a big way at any time. However, the conundrum is that birds of a feather flock together and individuals with weaponized autism (maybe that's a little too extreme of a term) think alike and ALL seem to go dark.

My personal best estimate of the root of this technology is that various spheromak related phenomenon are at the core of a wide range of LENR experiments and reactions (probably not all). What's so fascinating about this phenomenon is that it directly relates to a wide range of other technologies that I won't go into at this time. I can't also help but wonder if individuals like me356 recognize how an understanding of the phenomenon behind their tech could accelerate scientific progress in a wide array of fields.

Anyway, I'm in agreement that secrecy is a huge problem.

You are very welcome, Shane.

I love the statement, "no one is going to save the planet with a secret." This is truer than you can realize. During my years of armchair study of various topics, I'm convinced there are multiple groups in several fields keeping potentially Earth saving secrets to themselves. In many cases, the motivation for secrecy is financial. Other times, these truths are potentially so revolutionary that they could shatter entrenched paradigms. Interestingly, what helps many of these secrets remain hidden is the crackpots (using an often derogatory word here that I don't like to use) and snake oil salesmen that muddy the waters so the real truths remain obscure.

I haven't been in communication, hardly at all, with anyone in the LENR or other exotic fields, for several months now. I admit that I could very well be deluding myself to a certain extent, but I reached a point in my study that made me start seeing how spheromaks related to a wide range of phenomenon: natural, technological, and even supernatural/spiritual. Yeah, that sounds crazy. But the evidence IS out there and IS convincing. The problem was that to try and unify into a coherent easy to communicate framework what I had grasped would have required me to make a long term commitment -- without external support, help, or funding -- while continuing to ignore needs and goals in my real-world life. I stepped back from the cliff.

While I'm trying in some meager way to handle various personal issues in my life and try to find some small amount of happiness, I figured I should come back here and make some posts. Maybe I can guide a few people with a tad more resources than myself down the same path so that they can do what I couldn't responsibly do.