Cold Fusion Now : Michael McKubre at ICCF-21

  • Ruby carat just published a podcast of Michael McKubre at ICCF21

    http://coldfusionnow.org/michael-mckubre-at-iccf-21/


    Michael McKubre at ICCF-21

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    LENR consultant and former Director of Energy Research at SRI International Michael McKubre presented at the 21st International Conference on Condensed Matter Nuclear Science held at Colorado State University in Fort Collins Colorado. The five-day conference ran June 3-8, 2018 and featured multiple groups reporting solid results in the generation of excess heat and transmutations.

    Several labs are regularly able to produce between 6-20 Watts excess thermal power and are now experimenting with the various parameters in order to determine how to scale that output up. There were several theory sessions and more theories presented, but no consensus on modeling features of the reaction was determined.


    In episode 13 of the Cold Fusion Now! podcast, we join Michael McKubre just starting his talk on Monday morning June 4 with The Fleischmann Pons Heat and Ancillary Effects: What Do We Know, and Why? How Might We Proceed?

    Listen at our podcast page http://coldfusionnow.org/cfnpodcast/ or subscribe in iTunes.

  • I and probably many here do agree to growing evidence of LENR over the recent years - but there is (still) no reason to not deny what you wrote in parentheses, still no evidence that he has what he says he has....and: Rossi is not equal to LENR or the other way around. There is much more going on outside his planet, and he will be forgotten soon if he does not deliver. Time will tell...

  • Still have some more listening to do, but in the beginning McKubre hammers on the secrecy theme, as he has done in the past. Says "each of you is holding something back". Concealing for what ever reason, which he later on explains leads to "rediscovering the same thing several times at huge expense in terms of labor, time and skill".


    Talks about better "collaboration, cooperation, communication", and gives the field poor marks in those categories. With the exceptions being Rothwell's LENR-CANR, and Jean Paul Biberian, both of whom he thanked. He forgot to mention LF, and how we have contributed to improvement in all three categories, but in honor of his tireless defense of LENR, he is forgiven. :)


    Say's replication was accomplished in 1991-92, which may surprise some here.

  • In 1993 from a thousands of page of abstract I analysed, it was clearly replicated, and artifact eliminated.

    someone more competent sure would have said proven. It was clear for me that no unchecked critics (the man who gathered articles was a honest skeptic)...

    My feeling at that time was there was something about "out of equilibrium" as triggering and condition.


    Best evidences are BARC, McKubre, Storms, Oriani, Miles/Bush, F&P 90+, Bockris.


    A competent skeptic, Heinz Gerischer, expert in calorimetry admitted evidences were solid, despite problem with theory and reproductibility,


    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/GerischerHiscoldfusi.pdf#page=2

    http://newenergytimes.com/v2/l…dFusionAReality-ICCF2.pdf

  • Abds made anarticle on that podcast and publish slides

    http://coldfusioncommunity.net…abstracts/review/mckubre/



    the slaides are very interesting, starting with a kind of synthesis, to continue with challenges, and need to make a demo device.... studying it's requirements.


    http://coldfusioncommunity.net…7/ICCF21-Main-McKubre.pdf

  • What does loading deuterium into palladium do? The chemical bonds of palladium compresses deuterium when the loading of deuterium in the metal lattice is extreme. In another words, deuterium loading produces ultra dense hydrogen.


    Extreme deuterium loading cannot produce deuterium fusion because ultra dense hydrogen is formed long before any fusion reaction will occur. It is ultra dense hydrogen that produces the LENR reaction and that reaction results in the production of sub atomic particles as Leif Holmlid has shown.

  • The correlation between heat production and helium production is an indirect and an accidental correlation. The LENR reaction produces muons that then produce muon canalized fusion in deuterium that then indirectly produces helium 4.


    In recent LENR reactors where no hydogen is used, heat is still generated with no production of helium-4. Luagno is an example of a more advanced LENR reactors design where LENR fuel is loaded into the dogbone in air: not hydrogen. In Lugano, extensive fuel and ash assays of fuel and ash element composition show no hydrogen present. The ultra dense element producing the LENR reaction in the Lugano dogbone is most likely lithium. The fusion/heat correlation that Michael McKubre believes is central to the LENR reaction is accidental and NOT fundamental.

  • Michael McKubre's contention that nuclear reactions must be produced in a LATTICE as an absolute requirement of the LENR reaction is wrong in that this assertion is too restrictive. LENR can be produced in plasma as Rossi's QX and SK reactors has shown.


    If LENR fuel which contains an ultra dense element is heated to a plasma state, the LENR reaction will still occur without a lattice to support that reaction. Ultra dense elements and compounds are virtually indestructible and can sustain extreme pressure and temperatures due to electron degeneracy resistance. LENR has also showed up in tungsten in the SAFIRE experiment where the plasma temperature was measured at 80,000C. In this case, no ultra dense elements were present and the LENR reaction was carried by surface plasmon polaritons (SPP) on the surface of tungsten alone. This is the same reaction that supports the SunCell plasma.

  • The correlation between heat production and helium production is an indirect and an accidental correlation. The LENR reaction produces muons that then produce muon canalized fusion in deuterium that then indirectly produces helium 4.


    In recent LENR reactors where no hydogen is used, heat is still generated with no production of helium-4. Luagno is an example of a more advanced LENR reactors design where LENR fuel is loaded into the dogbone in air: not hydrogen. In Lugano, extensive fuel and ash assays of fuel and ash element composition show no hydrogen present. The ultra dense element producing the LENR reaction in the Lugano dogbone is most likely lithium. The fusion/heat correlation that Michael McKubre believes is central to the LENR reaction is accidental and NOT fundamental.

    About Lugano's fuel, hydrogen didn't came from LiAlH4 mixed with NI and Iron particles ?

  • Michael McKubre's contention that nuclear reactions must be produced in a LATTICE as an absolute requirement of the LENR reaction is wrong in that this assertion is too restrictive. LENR can be produced in plasma as Rossi's QX and SK reactors has shown.


    If LENR fuel which contains an ultra dense element is heated to a plasma state, the LENR reaction will still occur without a lattice to support that reaction. Ultra dense elements and compounds are virtually indestructible and can sustain extreme pressure and temperatures due to electron degeneracy resistance. LENR has also showed up in tungsten in the SAFIRE experiment where the plasma temperature was measured at 80,000C. In this case, no ultra dense elements were present and the LENR reaction was carried by surface plasmon polaritons (SPP) on the surface of tungsten alone. This is the same reaction that supports the SunCell plasma.

    I'm agree here that Lenr 's doesn' t need lattice necessarily therefore no agree with the rest you said just may be the idea to bring nuclei close together should not bad but the ultra dense concept, I remain skeptical.

  • About Lugano's fuel, hydrogen didn't came from LiAlH4 mixed with NI and Iron particles ?


    http://www.sifferkoll.se/siffe…10/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf


    See the


    Appendix 3


    Investigation of a fuel and its reaction product using SEM/EDS and ToF-SIMS

    Ulf Bexell and Josefin Hall

    Materialvetenskap, Högskolan Dalarna



    The Lugano Dogbone was not gas tight. Any gas in that reactor that was carried in the fuel would have escaped in short order. The info contained in Appendix 3 does confirm this fact.

  • I'm agree here that Lenr 's doesn' t need lattice necessarily therefore no agree with the rest you said just may be the idea to bring nuclei close together should not bad but the ultra dense concept, I remain skeptical.


    LENR in a Plasma where the concept of bringing nuclei close together is a non sequitur. Plasma forces atoms to form ions that are forced far apart.

  • axil perhaps you should speculate on another thread and leave this for McK and related comment? You are derailing it.


    What this site needs is commentary that puts the concepts presented to the test of logic and analysis based on wide experimental comparisons, Do you agree with everything that McK has put forth? If you do then support him with a logical argument. Criticism of concepts does not serve to derail them. On the contrary, It is helping to perfect them. I am sure that McK would agree. Such intellectual courage is the mark of a great thinker. I am sure that he would not want to be tainted by your lack of intellectual courageousness.

  • A true fact, may, however, lead to a false conclusion sometimes.

  • I found half a dozen main points to trigger Lenr.

    These are never found both in each experiment, explaining, in part, the low replication rate.

    Here, you're right, plasma separates nuclei, but nothing prevents to condense them helped by an additional magnetic field ?

  • Thanks for that Alain. As I said, the evidence for LENR (and Rossi ) continues to grow but many here still deny it.

    Evidence of LENR are old, and slowly growing.


    Evidence of Rossi is another story. Doral is evidence of different facts depending on who observes.

    Lugano also is evidence of different facts depending on the observer.

    So many maps, and one territory.

  • Please list those here, at least topically. I have about 5 in mind, perhaps there is an overlap, or I may have missed a couple. Thanks in advance.

    Happy to see you again here Longview.

    Sorry maybe for a misunderstanding because by "triggering" i would say things needed to DO Lenr not necessarily to trigger.

    I should answer to you indirectly because actually we always try to replicate Rossi's work following what we have understood recently.

    As i said in the past , hydrogen isn't essential for every transmutation, first point, for example,no kinetic energy anymore, no very high pressure to compress nuclei both.

    Therefore a need to put nuclei at a certain distance from each other, what we can do for example by electrolysis. it's close to few hundred bars even so.

    However, this pressure could be therefore converted into kinetic energy but it would be far from needs of conventional nuclear field.

    A frequency with a wavelength in the infrared... I think I am close 6 ......now...8)

    DF

  • Thanks for that outline Cydonia. The items I have in mind have likely been mentioned before. Things like "loading", polarity inversion, temperature and the ever present evidence that LENR is a surface phenomenon.


    For pressure, I don't think there is anything to match even a conservative estimate of Nernst pressure (Tadahiko Mizuno discusses this in some detail in Jed's worthy translation). The conservative number is 10 billion bars from a modest and achievable overvoltage, or so Mizuno seems comfortable with.


    Field emission is another surface-related phenomenon that might have some relevance. Of course field strength rises dramatically around small points on a conductor. I wonder if there might also be and inverted form where small cavities in a dielectric are also subject to high field strength of inverted polarity. For those interested, field strength is usually expressed as V/meter in the MKS system. That happens also to be the equivalent of newtons per coulomb. The two sets of units might stimulate some thought .


    Of course surface plasmon resonance is a pre-eminently surface phenomenon, that field strength falls as the fifth power of depth into the reflective medium, if I recall correctly


    Finally, another surface-associated phenomenon that might be useful or operative: the "skin effect", which is related directly to wavelength. For an example in copper, a 10 Ghz signal will have 37% of its energy confined to the outer 660 nm of the conductor.


    The good thing about these surface related phenomena is that several different forms can overlap one another and to my thinking, at least, allow othogonality and countervailing force vectors to help push reactions without any daunting requirement of electronic bond strength high enough to have nuclear effects.

  • i'm agree with you then working to improve skin effect, remains a major way.

    Rather Thz than Ghz therefore it's difficult... hovewer we should find some harmonic close to Thz by Ghz sollicitations, i think.

    Unfortunally these harmonics should generate probably XH but just a small COP.


    In relation with polarity/dielectric i'm close Kervran's understanding, so, in few words, using electronegativy difference inside a molecule in order to put face to face 2 nuclei +. This electronegativity difference generates in a molecule a "virtual"pseudo-ionization on a face, this is very interesting for Lenr.