LENR vs Solar/Wind, and emerging Green Technologies.
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Thanks Max. I suspect that when revealed there won't be too many surprises in store as regards their tech.
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Alan Smith all I need is only one surprise - confirm overunity claimed in the patent.
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confirm overunity claimed in the patent
can't see overunity in a recent patent application..
perhaps Joi scientific are not pursuing that any more
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RobertBryant I do not see other reason why they would be so carefully not giving any technical details
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Underunity is a mere detail
As Alan said .. the washup will be unsurprising ..
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When it goes about energy tech I am optimistic
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Let's not forget earlier Joi licensing deal with major boat retailer for an auxiliary power. It is either another very elaborate end extremely long running scam or they all using some very serious dope. And of course they might get something Stan Mayers had or claimed to have.
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can't see overunity in a recent patent application..
perhaps Joi scientific are not pursuing that any more
The patent describes electrolysis of water(or seawater) to produce hydrogen.
So they want to use electricity in electrolyzer to produce hydrogen to produce electricity and drive stuff like ship engines....and electrolyzers 😉
Now If that is not overunity, what is 🤓😜 ?
They also describe a Stanley Meyer type system....so did they rediscover the holy grail.....or is it a scam.
I think it is a scam.
But I still believe in LENR 😎😎
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Actually their process doesn't have to be overunity. If it provides cheaper equipment cost, higher volume and efficienty exceeding best in class existing hydrolisys the market is significant.
Think of hydrogen car drivers who can't fill up since the pump is out of hydrogen. The governments around the world built joke pilot stations making few hundred kilos a day.
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The governments around the world built joke pilot stations making few hundred kilos a day.
And many of them less Max- I have had a close look at these systems - many are using solar electrolysis or off-peak wind power but it is often supplemented with 'standby' bottled hydrogen from (presumably) SMR plants.
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many are using solar electrolysis or off-peak wind power but it is often supplemented with 'standby' bottled hydrogen from (presumably) SMR plants.
That seems like a good idea to me. It addresses the intermittency problem with wind and solar power. The bottled hydrogen may be expensive and energy inefficient, but as long as it is a small fraction of the total most days, it is a good way to keep the stations on line.
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- Belgian scientists are cracking the code for affordable green hydrogen
- Researchers from the KU Leuven have succeeded in developing a special solar panel that makes hydrogen gas from the moisture in the air. After 10 years of development, the efficiency of one panel has been increased to 250 liters per day, a world record according to the researchers. Twenty of these solar panels could provide a family with electricity and heat for a whole year. The engineers showed us their prototype in world premiere. The first field trial is in the pipeline.
Check this link with Google translate
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The article does contain some hype...
"Meanwhile, on the campus, we see the meter climbing steadily. The bubbles keep coming despite the faint sun. "Over an entire year, the panel produces an average of 250 liters per day, which is a world record" says researcher Jan Rongé, "With 20 of these panels you can live off the grid for a year without electricity or gas. If you add another 20 you can also drive a whole year with a hydrogen car. ".
250 litres of hydrogen is around 13 Mol at STP which is 26grams, roughly 1/40 of a kilo. So 20 panels would produce 0.5 Kg/day which has a calorific value of 16.5kWh. if turned into electricity using a fuel cell you would get 8kWh out as electricity and 8KWh as hot water. I don't think that would power my home for 24 hours in the winter unless it was extremely energy efficient. Even then it is very tight if you have kids and a washing machine and drier.
The car figure is not much more realistic- a car like the Mirai will do 80Km (50 miles) on a Kilo of hydrogen, so 1 weeks 20-panel production of 3.5 kilos would take you 280 Km. BUT - what they don't mention is that the hydrogen car demands high-pressure hydrogen - and compressing that gas is pretty energy intensive (see link below) and in a small and affordable installation would possibly require 15kWh of electricity to operate the expensive hydrogen multi-stage pump. That means you might need to burn 2Kg of your 3.5 Kgs of 'car hydrogen' in that fuel cell to make the electricity to run the pumps to compress the gas enough to run the car - thus you would have enough hydrogen only to drive 120Kms a week. I often drive that a day...
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High bids for pointless power. The math seems to point to other principles not in the light~ As always...
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