Here is a 300 MW solar installation, on 1,800 acres. 300 MW is a lotta megawatts. That's would be about 1/3rd of a typical U.S. nuke, except it only works during daylight hours. That is not as big a problem as you might think, because most demand is during the day. So, it is roughly 1/6th of a nuke. I'll bet it costs a lot less than 1/6th of a nuke. This installation is mainly to serve one customer: a steel mill.

Colorado steel mill becomes 'world's first' to be run almost entirely on solar - Renewable Energy World

Lightsource bp announced that its 300 MW project will position EVRAZ's Pueblo steel mill as the world's first steel mill to run almost entirely on solar.

www.renewableenergyworld.com

The only nuke being constructed in the U.S. is in Georgia. It is 1,117 MW. It is an economic disaster. Quoting the Wall Street Journal:

Vogtle has been beset by numerous delays and cost overruns. It was originally scheduled to open in 2016, and the total cost of the two planned Vogtle reactors tops $27 billion—more than double the initial estimates approved by state regulators in 2008.

That's $13.5 billion for one unit so far, and still years away from completion. That's $12 million per megawatt of capacity. The Bighorn Solar Project described above costs $285 million. Taking the capacity at 150 MW (for daytime only), that is $2 million per megawatt. You can see why no one wants to build any more nukes.

Vogtle Nuclear Plant in Georgia Faces More Construction Delays

Southern Co. project is only one of its type in U.S., and could cost $2 billion more than expected

Vogtle Nuclear Plant in Georgia Faces More Construction Delays

The Southern Co. project is the only one of its type in the U.S. and is likely to cost $2 billion more than expected.

www.wsj.com

See also estimate of $11.1 billion for one unit:

"Georgia Power’s share of the initial estimated total project cost, $6.1 billion, has ballooned to $11.1 billion at the latest estimate."

GDPR Support

Georgia Power website description of reactors:

Plant Vogtle

Climate change is not a cover-up for humans intentionally controlling the weather

OK, but if climate change is not reason for weather control and everything is OK - why to spend money in weather control after all?

Strategy of alarmists apparently changed - they finally realized, that attempts for curbing CO2 emissions with carbon tax doesn't and wouldn't work and that "renewables" cannot even replace fossil fuels (instead of it they lead into energetic crisis) so that both could soon become laughable even for compete laymen.

1. The adoption strategy silently but officially replaced mitigation. It's visible everywhere in alarmist materials and it's apparently centrally driven
2. The money of public must be spent anyway, so that the "climate control" got green. The propagandist massage of public has started, as it's evident from the above article.

@ Zephyr-AWT.

This is not a forum for discussing Climate Change/GW - there are plenty of other places to do that - this is a thread for discussing green technologies .

Eric Lerner discusses LPP fusion in this June 21 Video.

October 21/21report.

The blue green planet: How hydrogen can transform the global energy trade

The global energy trade is set for its greatest transformation since the 1970s. Electrification is central to this as countries plough money into renewables to…

www.woodmac.com

r... As the major energy-importing nations lead the charge to net-zero carbon emissions, the course is being set for the most dramatic disruption to the global energy trade since the 1970s and the rise of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC).

Electrification is at the heart of the changing energy mix, with innovation driving down the cost of renewable power, denting longer-term demand for hydrocarbons. Electrification, though, can only take the world so far. Many industrial sectors, as well as heavy-duty trucking, shipping, aviation and chemicals, will need alternatives. Low-carbon hydrogen has great potential to capture a sizeable market share, with the world’s major energy importers already rolling out their hydrogen roadmaps. In turning the energy-trade world order on its head, net zero simultaneously offers energy exporters – current and future – a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to secure future revenues by developing low-carbon hydrogen supply. This will include blue hydrogen from those with access to low-cost natural gas resources and carbon capture potential – Russia, Canada, the United States and Saudi Arabia – and green hydrogen from those with vast renewable resources – Australia and the Middle East.

The stakes couldn’t be higher. Wood Mackenzie’s base-case Energy Transition Outlook (ETO) forecasts average growth in the seaborne trade of oil, gas and coal to slow from 4% per annum over the past two decades to only 1% a year from 2020 to 2050, while our accelerated energy transition (AET) scenarios see a collapse in trade, especially for oil and coal. Conversely, the currently minimal seaborne trade in low-carbon hydrogen is set to grow in all scenarios. It could account for around a third of the seaborne energy trade in a net-zero 2050 world, so the race for suppliers is on.

What the *** is happening in USA? you guys seam to totally to ignore the importance of Teslas effort to popularize the electric car as one if the greatest achievements to counter the global warming that US has. Now lot's of people is campaigning against Musk because he doesn't want to pay wealth tax, yeah not even the high tax paying country Sweden thinks wealth tax is a good idea. Why? because stock is paper money and not worth a dime unless realized. But also used to influence the development of the company. Now essentially maneuvering out Musk from Tesla (he has enemies as many people hate him for forcing the time table of all electric cars ), you risk delaying the hole effort that Musk and his colleges have taken on. And the most stupid things of all, the tax is peanuts compared to the wealth Tesla will bring in to USA now and in the coming years. He is most welcome to Europe if he chooses so, ha!

So letting the man defend himself, (yes he will pay 5X% tax on income), just that it comes in batches stupid!

Musk discusses taxes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIvHrwVg7uA <=======

beautiful pics of bulk plasma and CME emission.excellent description of the science, and the effects/impact on Earth. solar cycle 25 is now 1+ year from peak; first flare already hit, and the initial attenuation from the D-layer interaction and attenuation (ca. >6 dB) seems over because here tonight 40 meters is rocking, and even 6 meters seem crowded.

Best regards,

Dr. Mitchell Swartz AC1ER

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you guys seam to totally to ignore the importance of Teslas effort to popularize the electric car as one if the greatest achievements to counter the global warming that US has. Now lot's of people is campaigning against Musk because he doesn't want to pay wealth tax

I'm visiting LENR forum just because I believe that fossil fuels should be replaced with more effective source of energy ASAP - but electric cars actually make energetic situation and dependence on fossil fuels worse. It's sorta business strategy of state capitalism to take profit for making economy proclamatively more effective (by sweeping collateral damages under the carpet and dissolving expenses in another areas in economy) - but way more fragile, while avoiding the responsibility for its risks. This applies both to satellite network of Elon Musk ignoring crash of satellites, pro-immigration policy ignoring social unrest, or development of vaccines under risk of leaking GMO viruses into the wild. And of course it also applies to replacement the classical energy sources and consumers by these "renewable" ones. Electric cars are sorta greenish melons at surface, but mostly red inside. See also:

• With Its Power Grid Under Pressure, California Asks Residents to Avoid Charging Electric Vehicles  
• Electric Cars Really Do Hate the Winter, Says AAA Study
• The electrical grid is out so Tesla owners are....buying gasoline powered generators and charging their cars.
• At -7 °C, the range of electric vehicles drops by the average of 41 percent, according to AAA
• Driving electric cars may even increase pollution levels.
• Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones, German study shows
• Electric cars could be just another ecological disaster
• New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars
• Driving electric cars may even increase pollution levels.
• Denmark calls for EU plan to phase out diesel and petrol cars
• The Dirt on Clean Electric Cars: Electric Cars Are Not As Clean As Many Believe
• Low-carbon energy transition would require more renewables than previously thought... 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6...

Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones, German study shows , Electric Car-Owners Shocked: New Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars

A Tesla model 3s battery and charging carbon use, likely higher than many internal combustion engines.

"A battery pack for a Tesla Model 3 pollutes the climate with 11 to 15 tonnes of CO2. Each battery pack has a lifespan of approximately ten years and total mileage of 94,000, would mean 73 to 98 grams of CO2 per kilometer (116 to 156 grams of CO2 per mile), Buchal said. Add to this the CO2 emissions of the electricity from powerplants that power such vehicles, and the actual Tesla emissions could be between 156 to 180 grams of CO2 per kilometer (249 and 289 grams of CO2 per mile)."

Here is the full Citroen range from 10 years ago for comparison.

The Smoking Lamp.

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It's sorta business strategy of state capitalism to take profit for making economy proclamatively more effective

Germany the FM/R/B mafia blocks since more than 40 years all projects than would reduce coal,gasoline cars and that would give no profit to mafia member companies.

The outstanding performance of 40 years German mafia is:

- 50% reduction of train trajectories

- Stop allowing new onshore wind turbines

- Blocking current from offshore wind parks until Siemens is ready to deliver a DC connection...

- Blocking new current lines from north --> south

- Blocking (since 20 years failing to fulfill a contract) fast railways to Italy via Switzerland

- Illegal funding of Diesel fuel to promote German Diesel garbage technology

- Helping to cheat Europe with the dirtiest (up to 15x above claimed NOx) Diesel cars ever built.

- Culmination. Now German cars burn fertilizers with the euphemistic name "add blue".

On the positive side we have Solar... Paying the top 10% income people 300% (over 20 years total) the prize of a solar installation...

One cannot do a revolution with electric car...

Some positive news

The revolution is here as the best way to burn money now is to buy a gas car. Things will move fast from here.

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I'm visiting LENR forum just because I believe that fossil fuels should be replaced with more effective source of energy ASAP - but electric cars actually make energetic situation and dependence on fossil fuels worse.

That is nonsense. Electric cars are far more efficient than gasoline cars. They use far less energy per mile. Even if all the electricity came from fossil fuel, they would still use less, and they would produce less CO2 per mile. In most places, a large fraction of electricity comes from other sources such as nuclear, wind, hydroelectricity or solar. The amount of carbon per megajoule of electricity has fallen by more than half since 2000, and it is headed to zero.

Electric cars will stress generating capacity only if they are recharged during the day. At night they will use up more fuel, but there is plenty of capacity.

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Electric cars are far more efficient than gasoline cars

I'll believe You once they will be also cheaper than gasoline cars. By price I mean total cost of ownership, which represents fossil fuels and raw sources input.Driving electric cars may even increase pollution levels.Electric vehicles emit more CO2 than diesel ones, German study showsNew Study Confirms EVs Considerably Worse For Climate Than Diesel Cars

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I'll believe You once they will be also cheaper than gasoline cars.

Electric cars will need almost no maintenance what means almost all service stations will disappear. These people are the main opposition to electric cars.

Tires you anyway change in special shop. Electronics usually needs full replacements. Lights you can do yourself. But LED live > 30'000 hours - quite a long travel.

Electric cars in city mode use anywhere between 10..100x less fuel that gasoline cars depending on jams...The only problem so far is winter time, where batteries degrade up to 30% in cold countries. Further you need a heat pump for survival...

All the "negative" studies about electric cars have been finance by the fuel, car lobby and most are ridiculous.

They usually do not count in transport of fuel to fuel station > 20% of fuel use. Pollution by fuel exploration refinery... e.g. hidden in Nigeria or any Arabian desert. Fuel use to mine coal, iron etc...

Their favorite trick is to use the most dirty German coal to generate electricity... So these tricks make the study just valid for a small east German spot on planet earth...