MacGyver (aka JohnyFive) LENR experiment

  • Thanks for those replies JohnyFive .

    I’m also curious about the possibility of Beryllium.

    I wonder if you could describe the smell a bit.

    I understand from some reports that beryllium has a sweet taste. But is toxic so shouldn’t be tried! Good idea to wear a gas mask.

    But compounds of Beryllium could be indicative of some interesting processes. And some of these can generate odours.

    beryllium Carbide I think slowly reacts with water to produce beryllium oxide and methane for example... if you are smelling methane this could have all kinds of implications. Methane on Mars for example.

    Beryllium Carbide is normally produced at high temperatures. But there is carbon in the paper. So perhaps some more reactive beryllium like pregenorator would be implicated. Or something else that catalysis it’s formation.

    Beryllium oxide (BeO) [ whilst not quite an odor ;) ] is soluble in water so that might indicate something about why it is removed when wet.

    This kind of chemical effects could be true of a Beryllium like pregenorator (some kind of exotic compound LiH) or true Be. Obviously the simplest logical assumption using true Be is the best solution. but If Be appears but then diminish over time especially in line with the long 20 minutes half life then perhaps it could indicate something more exotic. Normal Be8 or stimulated Be9* half-life should be much shorter. And Be9 in ground state is stable. (This long half-life to me could imply a pregenorator making Be).

    Beryllium Hydoxide incidentally is only slightly soluble but hydrated on heating to produce soluble BeO and H2O.

    I wonder if the BeO would precipitate out in an acid?

    If something exotic is implicated (I admit it’s a big if) . If an exotic LiH compound entity simulating a Be is implicated maybe certain Be compounds such as Be2C or BeOH stabilize the exotic component from a chemical point of view where as others such as BeO do not. So the compound the compound HLi nucleus remains (until it interacts at nucleus level) but in the other less stable ones the compound lithium and hydrogen separate into their individual entities or more classical ionic bound LiH.

    A crazy thought I admit... but I wonder if certain chemical compounds could stabilize an pregenorator entity so it’s nucleus interaction is in hibited too. If so it could form an interesting method of storage.

  • I don't know how to describe the smell. But it was not like a methane or anything else I know.

    If p + Li7 is possible that easily then I want to change wet cell to a dry cell as soon as possible. Problem is how to do the measurement there?

    Maybe it is easier to convert alphas to some other radiation - gammas? Which element can easily yield Gammas when reacting with Alpha?

    In this way measurement could be easy.

  • Good questions.

    Also if high energy MeV Alphas can yield Bremsstrahlung from interacting electrons or ions?

    Good it’s not methane... some might get suspicious ;)

    If you find heavier elements like fluorine or Nickel for example in the paper I guess it’s time to call Bob.

  • Longview .

    Hehe good I will tell my wife that next time.... you know 😀

    Yup I think if we see only lithium

    and hydrogen fusion it’s one thing. understandable in normal terms if hard to explain in energy terms. Even if we would still need to explain how it is sustained after stimulation.

    But heavier elements than beryllium would be pretty hard to explain away. Even with proton fusion. If we are in the realms of lithium fusing with carbon or two carbon atoms fusing then we really have no choice but to look at exotic mechanisms.

    I know I’m stating the obvious here but it would be really cool if we saw proof.

    Oh my goodness is it actually oxygen that’s fusing in my guts? Not just methane after all ;)

  • I do not necessarily agree with the theory proposed in the patents listed on the following page, but I think much of the advice could be helpful.

    In the above paper, nickel cathodes are suggested along with lithium or potassium electrolytes and the application of fast DC square wave input with a fast rise time. Basically, I think that the particle production rate in the JohnyFive experiment could be multiplied many fold if the input pulse rate and waveforms were played around with. Moreover, it might even be useful to impose a second waveform on a primary waveform. BTW, titanium is also mentioned in the patent as a cathode material.

    If we want to expand this experiment to a dry cell, I'd suggest designing and building a system with a high temperature quartz tube with an electrode at both ends and one or more ports for a vacuum line or to add fuel. In addition, I'd suggest thinking of ways to supply a rotating magnetic field to enhance spheromak formation and stability. When it comes to the actual fuel, nano-particles would form from the nickel or titanium electrodes and a mixture of hydrogen, lithium, and a noble gas like argon or xenon (much more expensive) could provide good results. As usual, the pulse rate and wave forms would need to be adjusted and the magnetic field might need optimization.

  • I tried to measure if a charge is being stored between electrodes and it is. But I think this is quite normal, isnt it?

    After disconnecting from power supply there is Voltage between electrodes that is around 2.1V but quickly falls down, then slower and slower until it reach 1.5V.. Even when I short the electrodes for a few seconds the voltage is still over 1V and is rising itself slowly.

    Just catching up with the comments written over the past few weeks. Interesting that you tried this. Depending on how much current your power supply allows during this short-circuit condition, there should have been a spark briefly generated when you brought the electrodes in contact together, correct?

    When about a month and a half ago I asked you if you could try checking out if anything anomalous occurred on your detectors when shorting the electrodes I actually meant by actively inducing such sparks rather than just allowing a high current to normally flow through the electrodes.

    Depending on the contact patch between both electrodes you might be able to cause such sparks to be generated repeatedly for a more or less prolonged period of time. This is easier when either one of the electrodes is made of carbon (which sublimates instead of welding to the other electrode) or if a relatively strong magnet and a large current are used (depending on the orientation of the magnet, when the electrodes are short-circuited the strong magnetic field generated will cause the electrodes to repel from the magnet, breaking the circuit. With some spring tension this process can repeat continuously at a few hundred hertz, from what I measured by audio analysis).

    Strong electromagnetic interference (EMI) should be produced when such sparking action occurs (the brighter the plasma, the stronger the EMI), but I wonder if something else also gets produced instead. I couldn't find this out with my very limited equipment when I tried this many months ago (with a very small electrolytic cell), although I observed strange effects which might or might not have been anomalous (no idea).

  • When both electrodes were shorted there was no spark or it was very small. It is weak current supply. Yes. A sparks from current source will produce EMI.

    Once I will have new detector I will be able to confirm if it is Alpha or at least if Alpha detector can detect the particles in a better way than Pancake detector that is used now.

    Since it is Scintillation probe for Alphas I think I will be able to detect even energy of the particle. With this we could be able to find what reaction is responsible for the process. The scintillation probe has PMT so the sensitivity will be likely very good.

    In the meantime I will try to get some old smoke detector that has Americium. This can be good for calibration.

    Allegedly this detector is sensitive only for Alphas. But who knows how it will react to other particles.

    I was studying Alpha radiation sources and it is more penetrating than I thought. With good Alpha detector it could be detected even from 3cm distance quite well. But it depends on the particle energy and ambient conditions.

  • When both electrodes were shorted there was no spark or it was very small. It is weak current supply. Yes. A sparks from current source will produce EMI.

    If you quickly bring in contact both electrodes by hand, the spark will be indeed small or nonexistent. However, from what I observed in my own humble experiments using a 5V 30A DC line from a switching power supply (an old ATX PSU), by carefully making them just barely touch a larger one will be produced as a larger amount of current will flow through a smaller area, turning more material into plasma. Once the process starts it can be sort of "self-sustained", even at such a low voltage, as long as the electrodes don't stick (weld) together or full electrical contact is achieved.

    I realize this is probably not within the scope of your experiments, but I guess it fits the MacGyver spirit of the thread.

  • Is there anyway we can get an update?

    Here are a few random thoughts I've had.

    First, instead of a titanium cathode, could a high surface area nickel cathode be used to see what happens?

    Secondly, instead of buying titanium sponge, would the following recipe to grow our own titanium sponge be practical?

    Thirdly, I wonder if the strange radiation generation efficiency would go up if the quantity of liquid was reduced. For example, stuffing the titanium sponge in one side of a cylinder and the anode in the other (with valves in between to add gases, remove gases, allow pressure to release, etc.)

    Fourth, I'd sure like to know what is making the water turn black and then clear up again. I can't help but wonder what is going on.

  • Fourth, I'd sure like to know what is making the water turn black and then clear up again. I can't help but wonder what is going on.

    Often this is caused by over-driving the anode so that micro-particles of nickel are exfoliated from the surface. The colour disappears because the fragments end up plated onto the cathode.