QX Concepts - A less critical Rossi thread.

  • Hello Everyone,


    Gerold.s has provided a preliminary 2D drawing of the QX setup. The file can be found here.


    https://www.dropbox.com/s/x53o…ation_concept_v1.pdf?dl=0


    Please compare the contents of the above file with the image of the QX from the Rossi-Gullstrom paper.


    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.05249.pdf


    I am not mechanically inclined, so I would like to request the users of LENR Forum to look at the image in the Rossi-Gullstrom paper and provide Gerold.s with better figures for the next draft.

  • Not sure if this design draft fits to Rossi's claim, that all radiation (incl. gamma?) is thermalized. How would that work with the plastic parts from home depot?How can strong radiation from nuclear processes be thermalized in floating water? No shielding required because of no radiation? Many things don't fit together...

  • Here are a few issues that I think need to be addressed with the 2D drawing.


    1) We guessed at the size and shape of the electrodes. Comparing the 2D drawing to the image in the Rossi-Gullstrom paper, I think the platinum coated nickel electrodes need to be sized differently.


    2) The cylinder needs to be transparent and we don't have any proof that any transparent from of boron nitride is available.


    3) The possible usage of backing magnets should be included in drawing, but they should be listed as optional and not proven.


    There are probably many other issues that need to be addressed as well.


    I would really appreciate it if users of this forum could study the picture of the QX, figure out the sizes/shapes/distances of components, and make comments in this thread. We need to make this 2D model as accurate as possible.

  • Not sure if this design draft fits to Rossi's claim, that all radiation (incl. gamma?) is thermalized. How would that work with the plastic parts from home depot?How can strong radiation from nuclear processes be thermalized in floating water? No shielding required because of no radiation? Many things don't fit together...


    Let's not worry too much about theory now. Let's focus on using what we know and the image from the paper to make a more accurate 2D drawing.

  • In Rossi's early years you can find a lot where he talks about a lot of gamma rays. This...it was once a big topic...nowadays all his devices seem to work without any radiation at all, although claimed to be nuclear. Probably the main reason there is no theory yet... :-)


    One sample:

    Andrea Rossi
    May 7th, 2010 at 6:52 AM

    Very interesting. After 2 hours we still have thermal emission, but still we don’t have radiations out of the reactor. Of course, the lasting of thermal emission means that readiation (gamma) continues to be thermalized. We ( Focardi and me) are convinced that neutrons don’t reach the energy to exit the nuclea, with some exception, which is thermalized in 20′,also because our shielding od boron and lead is much lower that you calculated.

    Warm Regards,

    Andrea Rossi


    Edit --> a more recent one (but he is not mentioning gamma explicitly):


    Andrea Rossi
    October 7, 2018 at 8:09 AM

    Koen Vandewalle:

    I think you have to read again my answer to Roy. It has nothing to do with your comment.

    Anyway: the radiations inside the Ecat are thermalized.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

  • I really want to get back on track so that we can produce a better 2D drawing of the QX.


    However, I'll address the gamma issue.


    The fact is that if cold fusion reactors (even fairly low powered ones) produced a quantity of gamma rays in appropriate measure to the amount of heat they produce that they would be extremely dangerous devices. However, most or all LENR devices produce only relatively low levels of gamma radiation. This means that the vast majority of the heat is NOT from "traditional" thermalization of gamma radiation that would come from gammas traveling through lead or another material. If the gamma rays are being thermalized, it is by some exotic mechanism that must be taking place near the site of the LENR reaction. Another possibility is that there are additional heat generation mechanisms we do not understand.


    Rossi knows all of this and he is not an idiot. He knows there is another process taking place. However, the simplest thing to say without giving away any information that could help replicators is that the gammas are being thermalized.

  • The fact is that if cold fusion reactors (even fairly low powered ones) produced a quantity of gamma rays in appropriate measure to the amount of heat they produce that they would be extremely dangerous devices.


    Damn right they would. The gammas are a signature of a nuclear event, but represent maybe 10-9 % of the heat generated or less. They are tiny wisps of smoke from a clean-burning fire.

  • Not sure if this design draft fits to Rossi's claim, that all radiation (incl. gamma?) is thermalized. How would that work with the plastic parts from home depot?How can strong radiation from nuclear processes be thermalized in floating water? No shielding required because of no radiation? Many things don't fit together...

    Rossi seems also only using pipe fittings from Home Depot for his outer heat exchanger structure. An advantage would be electric insulation.

    e.g.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Or…-FPT-Tee-31372H/300700124


    compare with: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.05249.pdf

    picture on page 19.

  • Director,

    I understand your enthusiasm but I don't think enough is known to make a design,

    The sealing shown doesn't take into account the high temperatures or the difference in coefficient of expansion. The material of the tube is not known.

    What pressure should it be in the tube and how is the pressure set up?


    The heat exchanger is as primitive as it gets. Rossi claims to have developed something quite exotic. Rossi says the usable temperature is high enough for super critical steam, so if H2O were used it would be steam at very high pressure.


    As far as I know nothing is known about additional magnets. Nothing is known about the radiation produced and Rossi keeps saying there isn't any. presumably the radiation form a solid powder reactor is quite different from a plasma one.


    The composition of the fuel is not known.

    I could go on....

  • Director,

    You keep bashing Rossi for having "inventor's

    syndrome" yet if he gave away his IP he wouldn't be able to raise more money from investors to continue and start commercialization.


    It's not as easy as you seem to think. The get where he is takes many hundreds of experiments.

    s

  • Hello Adrian,


    Rossi seems also only using pipe fittings from Home Depot for his outer heat exchanger structure. An advantage would be electric insulation.

    e.g.

    https://www.homedepot.com/p/Or…-FPT-Tee-31372H/300700124


    compare with: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1703.05249.pdf

    picture on page 19.

  • Rossi seems also only using pipe fittings from Home Depot for his outer heat exchanger structure. An advantage would be electric insulation.

    It was not cleartto me what your point was. The babblers, who are obviously not engineers, make much of Rossi using a standard fitting . Being computer jocks they apparently don't understand that you use what is available for a prototype and it would have been insane to make a one off piece like that from scratch.


  • It is my view that the QX and SK reactors are just HID high intensity discharge bulbs with LENR fuel loaded inside. Lots is known about HID tech. The only tube material that could work is boron nitride.