Variations around metallurgy and hydrotons

  • Hi,

    I try to get various opinion about recent papers and proposal, around the ideas of Edmund Storms "Hydroton".

    in his book "The explanation of LENR" , Edmund Storms starts by explaining LENr is necessarily cased by a small and rare structure near surface, the NAE, containing an hydrogen "polymer" insulated from chemical environment by the NAE.

    1. Edmuns storms support the NAE is hosted in nanocracks, small enough to host dense linear hydrogen polymer, the hydroton.
    2. In recent presentation Staker (paper), propose that a special phase denser stable phase (Fukai Phase:/) of Hydrogen/palladium (strangely named Super Abundent vacancies, where vacancies are in fact hydrogen space), cause the NAE, that he propose are tunnels of SAV
    3. In recent JCF18 a paper by Kazuo Ooyama propose a mode quite different from Hydroton, based on edge dislocation. Maybe "edge dislocation" can be the key of the NAE ? (It seems K. OOyama don't support hydroton/NAE vision, but some of his claims may fuel an hydroton variant).

    Not focussing on the QM phenomenon, but rather on the metallurgy, the past experimental results, could support one of the 3 cristal defect for the NAE?

    Does anybody have arguments for or against one of those cristal defect/phase as NAE ?


  • There are a multitude of theories that seem to indicate that hydrogen can transform into other states that could be described as small, shrunken, or dense hydrogen. There is also experimental evidence that these forms of hydrogen exist. What they truly ARE is the big question. I think what confuses the situation is that there are probably a large number of intermediate states between ordinary hydrogen and what could be termed as "ultra-dense hydrogen." But what's most important right now is not figuring out and proving the exact structure of all these states, but learning how to build systems that can create and utilize them to produce vast quantities of energy. Once we have proven that these systems are REAL to the world, there will be thousands of science papers written within six months about the fundamental mechanisms.

    Looking at the creation of these altered forms of hydrogen, there seem to be many ways to create them: high pressure environments within super abundant vacancies, interaction with resonant catalytic elements, and various forms of compression. The process of producing them seems to produce a certain quanta of energy -- usually no more than a few hundred electron volts. The next step seems to be inducing them to undergo nuclear reactions with other elements since this form of hydrogen seems very neutron-like.

    Black Light Power seems to think the most direct way of inducing reactions between hydrogen and catalytic elements is within an arc discharge. According to them, if hydrogen and the resulting elements are in the atomic form, they can interact in the plasma at high rates. The quick carrying away of excess electrons eliminates the space charge problem that would hinder the atomic hydrogen and catalytic atoms from making contact and hence the production of altered states of hydrogen increases. But once again, simply producing these states is not enough to produce a radical energy technology. Depending on a few hundred electron volts per reaction would not allow a reactor to operate very long at all without re-fueling. To induce nuclear reactions, it makes sense that we'd want to somehow "force" these "dense" hydrogen atoms against other atoms that could capture them. My best guess is that frequent sudden increases in the current would help throw the atoms into each other. Moreover, during such sudden changes in current, magnetic fields would be produced that could assist in the interactions.

    Such powerful current transients often in the "abnormal glow discharge" regime in which a negative resistance condition exists. Rapidly pulsing a DC input directly up to a point just before an arc discharge is established and then dropping back to a lower point would create a series of powerful current bursts that could be the "sweet spot" needed by the QX. Both Paulo Correa's Pulsed Abnormal Glow Discharge device and Chernetsky's plasma tube utilized this negative resistance zone.

    All the other issues are simple engineering. For example, preventing erosion of the cathode tip, regenerating the cathode tip, learning to harness the back spike of power that comes from the tube, preventing overheating, etc.

    What's also interesting to me is the interaction of the various materials floating around in the plasma of the QX.

    Let's look at them for a moment.

    First, we know that unless Rossi has eliminated aluminum from the system, he is using LiAlH4 which would mean that atoms of lithium, aluminum, and hydrogen are present in the reactor.

    Secondly, we know that unless the guessed upon platinum layer prevents any erosion of the nickel, that there will be some amount of platinum and nickel present in the reactor.

    According to Simon Brink's calculations and experimentation, nickel is a potent resonant catalyst that can make ground state hydrogen transition into an altered state (specifically 1/8th that of the ground state). Additionally, lithium can do the same, except that it will only make ground state hydrogen transition to 1/2 that of the ground state. The greater the transition to a fractional state, the more likely an altered hydrogen atom is to be absorbed by other atoms and induce nuclear reactions. For all we know, platinum could make atomic hydrogen transition to an even lower state.

    So in this model, the nickel and other heavier metals induces hydrogen to shrink to at least 1/8th the ground state -- perhaps a sweet spot for LENR. Then these atoms are captured predominantly by lithium due to the very low energy needed anyway to induce reactions between hydrogen and lithium. For example, Unified Gravity Corporation induced reactions between lithium and hydrogen with only around 200eV of energy. A reaction between an even smaller hydrogen atom and lithium could require even less energy.

    Maybe this means having some minimal erosion of the cathode could potentially be a good thing.

  • The arc is the wrong way to go and likely why they fail to continue progress imo

    hydrochloric acid, and magnesium chloride is pretty reactive in boiled sea water at 2400 degrees add hematite ect and you have a wet cath.

    The other needed heat from a bio will need attachment.

    Like a volcano eruption being a cath and why I call it a wet cath