Norront Fusion Energy AS

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    LH is not entirely alone... there's this guy.


    Sveinn Ólafsson on the Cold Fusion Now! podcast

    5 Jun 2019 - Ólafsson received his Ph. D. from Uppsalla University and is currently a research professor at the School of Engineering and Natural Sciences at University of Iceland. He had a career in hydrogen storage before Andrea Rossi sparked his interest in cold fusion.

  • You just need to generate large amounts of charged particles then collect them on suitable electrodes - Norront are proposing collecting muons which degrade to electrons to generate electricity directly without a gamma ray step - although if gammas are formed (eg from positron-electron annihilation) they could be fed back to the UDD/H fuel to create more kaons?

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    You just need to generate large amounts of charged particles then collect them on suitable electrodes - Norront are proposing collecting muons which degrade to electrons to generate electricity directly without a gamma ray step - although if gammas are formed (eg from positron-electron annihilation) they could be fed back to the UDD/H fuel to create more kaons?

    Sure as easy as putting elephant in the fridge: "open the fridge door, put elephant in, close the the fridge. What if there is already an elephant in the fridge? easy! Open the fridge, remove exiting elephant ..."

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    Few points are complex for me.

    First, can someone explain to me how they are sure it is Kaon... (or Muons as before)... It must be physicist art with the gamma spectrometer...

    Second is the link with LENR as seen is low energy experiments (electrolysis, permeation...)...


    It seems great, but I understand betters thermodynamics and calorimetry than QM and gamma spectrometry.?(

  • Second is the link with LENR as seen is low energy experiments (electrolysis, permeation...)...


    I modeled the Holmlid reaction as the opposite case of LENR as in fact the D*-D* or 2* H*-H* is the driver of the reaction - the proton to Kaon split. From the data it is now much more clear how both paths work.


    Great work by a great experimentalist. Hope he lives long enough for Nobel!

  • Its one of C20 mysteries why no other physicists seem to be aware or support LH's work....apart from Fried Winterberg who stated that at least 'his ultra dense deuterium theory was difficult to completely dismiss' or words to that effect Even with confirmation by Gundersen etc this still remains one principle weakness of his work - but you have to respect him for carrying on regardless if it leads to fusion-related electricity generators. LH's work stands outside any SM theory/explanation both regarding the possible existence of UDD/H or how low energy laser photons (or even background room lighting) can elicit the kaon cascade to muons etc he observes. Its incredible!:)

    Well we know there are other researchers researching new energy sources that all have a somewhat similar catalyzed dense hydrogen theory. All with varying degrees of truth and experimental backing. The problem is the theory confetti that scares many mainstream physicists away. We have more than two theories with similar experimental/mathamatical results.

  • Well we know there are other researchers researching new energy sources that all have a somewhat similar catalyzed dense hydrogen theory.


    The Winterberg model is a far stretched classical approach with protons orbiting electrons... The model does not include some repulsive forces that must be there...Thus its more an excuse than a model.

  • Sveinn Ólafsson on the Cold Fusion Now! podcast

    Link

    http://www.coldfusionnow.com/podcast/Ruby-Carat-Sveinn-Olafsson-Cold-Fusion-Now-024.mp3


    Thanks Ruby ..


    Sveinn,,, "no chemist physicist will accept 2.3 picometre dense hydrogen because of quantum physics

    it is easy to prove for two protons I totally agree..with this

    but nobody knows what happens for 19 or so particles

    most people will take the easy way out

    and say it is impossible ,,,nonsense

    because thay are not using multiple particle physics"

    Timemark .. 12 minutes

    O f course, Mills gets 18.3 picometre for his dihydrino shrunken H2(1/4) molecule

    not the 2.3 pm that Holmlid gets from his 630 Ev emission from the deuteron layer..

    it depends on how you calculate mass/energy... via Coulombic.. Magnetic ... or other..assumptions

  • First, can someone explain to me how they are sure it is Kaon... (or Muons as before)... It must be physicist art with the gamma spectrometer...

    It is relatively straightforward. Holmlid determines the mean life time of the particles that decay after UDH is hit by a laser. The measured decay times are exactly those known for the kaons. No other known particle has such mean life times.

  • O f course, Mills gets 18.3 picometre for his dihydrino shrunken H2(1/4) molecule

    not the 2.3 pm that Holmlid gets from his 630 Ev emission from the deuteron layer..


    The problem is that classic physics assumes point charges what has no physical background as no known matter structure exists that can generate charge with an exact spheric geometry. Charge is proportional to the "topological" difference of magnetic flux. SO(4) physics shows how charge is produced and also explains that the potential induced by charge is proportional to the mass of the generating waves. In H*-H* the generating waves switch from 3 --> 2 what reduces the Bohr potential by 1/3 or about 9.1eV. In experiments with dense Rydberg matter this 9.1 eV are freed energy and subtracted from the Bohr potential of a normal bound electron in Hydrogen. Then it looks like only 4.53 eVs would be needed to ionize Hydrogen in Rydberg matter.


    An interesting coincidence is that the regular H-H, D-D bond energy has also more or less the same value. (4.556 for D-D or 4.478 H-H for details how to calculate this classically see Mills chapter 11)


    This value of about 4.53 can be measured in experiments https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282047571 also at very high temperatures what explains why LENR is not based on classic BEC and H*-H* is not a classic structure.


    Last: The radius Holmlid publishes is just calculated based on the Coulomb potential formula given one most likely kinetic energy measured. Thus this value is fictive as also the energy he measures is difficult to classify as he produces clusters, that react collectively and the energy shows a typical cluster split. Here more detailed research is needed as H*/D* clusters stay on Iron-oxide/potassium carriers that also do interact with their magnetic binding function.

  • Sveinn's Rydberg presentation was so clear

    Its worth repeating..

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    based on the Coulomb potential formula

    Perhaps Sveinn may be interested in other equations which give a very different size for shrunken H2 .. than 2.3 pm..

    2.3 pm was the reason why he got on the Holmlid Rydberg track..

    But the main issue is not the 2.3 pm calculation.. but where the 630 EV photon energy is coming from

    ... it is not allowed in conventional quantum physics

  • Well looks like it may be a moment to fine tune or replace the models!

  • it may be a moment to fine tune or replace the models!

    I'll see if Sveinn's volcanic remote is tuned in..

    Maybe there is an imminent volcanic eruption in nuclear physics rather than at Bardarbunga


    http://coldfusioncommunity.net…nn-3-Poster-Volcanism.pdf


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  • The big Swiss neutron source uses a monochromatic protons (from "constant" beam) what results in narrow bandwidth neutrons. A novel source producing neutrons from 10MeV muons has to tackle some severe problems as the streamlining of e.g. 0 .. 80 MeV neutrons or simply said: If the can't avoid the high end neutrons then forget it.


    A neutron source may be simple and small but the apparatus to contain them has a dimension of at least 10x10x10 meters and all material will immediately activate. Thus you have to design access path and working conditions for a highly activated zone.


    Or even more clear: The Swiss source just uses the waste beam and thus works for free. Everything else will have the same costs also for a cheap new neutron generator.


    Neutrons are no toys. In contrary I hope they manage to avoid them!

  • Wyttenbach

    I imagine they might try to use the properties of ultra-dense hydrogen to constrain energies and solid angle to the desired ranges. In the past Holmlid has pointed out that due to the extreme density of the material, neutrons from D+D fusion processes occurring within it don't manage to come out easily.


    Some suggestions on this regard were also mentioned in this recent open access paper: https://doi.org/10.1016/j.heliyon.2019.e01864


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    Of special interest are the scattering properties of a layer of H(0) [19, 29]. Such a layer reflects charged particles even at high energy, due to the extreme density of this layer. This means that muons may have their final scattering interaction at such a layer on the target before moving to the detector.


    A related excerpt from a few years ago: http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.ijhydene.2015.06.116


  • imagine they might try to use the properties of ultra-dense hydrogen to constrain energies and solid angle to the desired ranges.


    You didn't get it. The try to find something useful to do with excess + muons not with the original reaction that rarely will produce neutrons as the main product is 4-He. Muons at least get 10MeV excess kinetic energy from the Pion decay but an additional 52MeV will go into the neutron in average! Nobody is really interested in a random neutron source except may be military for bomb victim analysis...

  • Wyttenbach

    According to the observations, UDD/UDH is a room-temperature superfluid material (link) and can migrate and form films on surfaces at considerable distances away from the laser target and source catalysts. This means that potentially it could be used also as a novel shielding material.

  • You didn't get it. The try to find something useful to do with excess + muons not with the original reaction that rarely will produce neutrons as the main product is 4-He. Muons at least get 10MeV excess kinetic energy from the Pion decay but an additional 52MeV will go into the neutron in average! Nobody is really interested in a random neutron source except may be military for bomb victim analysis...

    I would disagree, a compact neutron source would be useful for a subcritical homogenous molten salt SMR with a breed and burn functionality. This would replace enriching fissile matter, plutonium specifically, with hydrogen as a pulsed particle source with a switch.

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