Rossi E-Cat SK Demo Discussion

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    Full disclosure : I have not been following Rossi too closely. I've read excerpts of Matt Lewan's book online, some summaries of the trial and some other online material such as video interviews with Rossi. For instance here's one where he talks about ... skeptics of all things. ...

    So you give opinions about Rossi's goodness and humanity based on an acolyte's book, and video interviews with the perpetrator? Good going!


    There is no need to read summaries, the whole pre-trial transcript (there was no trial, BTW!) is on line and you can read whatever part you wish.

    What summaries did you read of the trial? Rossi's?

  • Now my questions: If the Blue Box with the samovar attached (credit to someone above for the description was supposed to be the only means of heating a 42,000 cubic foot area (3,000 with 14 foot high ceilings), how the hell does it do that? I see no connections for HVAC tubing and if the samovar is supposed to be putting out all the necessary heat, without a blower or fan, I would have to imagine that the samovar would be verrrrrry hot, and yet it was covered with what appeared to be an ordinary sheet without any harm to the sheet, or to the man with no upper body who stands right next to the samovar.


    I would appreciate any substantive corrections / answers to my questions / premises (that means calling me a babbler, idiot or just stupid only reflects on the commenter).


    The SK covered by a sheet wasn't operating. The pipes coming out of the top weren't connected to anything. Another SK was heating the factory via a heat exchanger.


    Here in the UK we use "wet" heating systems. In my case an oil burner heats water in a tank called a thermal store. That in turn delivers water to pipes in the floor for heating and/or taps/faucets. By coincidence my house is around 3000sqf.


    If the SK can produce hot water in the range 55C to 95C it would be dead easy to hook up to my system. I understand the SK may take awhile to turn on/off but that's ok as the thermal store acts as a buffer tank.

  • Coincidentally, the (very ordinary) floor tiles visible in the e-catSK live-stream look pretty much the same as the ones from a picture which Fabiani has on his Google+ profile site (and which was most most likely taken in a Rossi owned Miami Beach condo).

    https://plus.google.com/114854150822705215905


    Looks like you nailed it. The presentation was done right there at Leonardo Headquarters (Rossi's Miami Beach condo) according to Acland. LOLs. It is a small condo, so that is probably why the camera was trained only on the SK, or video throughout. For some reason I thought it was going to be done from the customers factory.

  • Looks like you nailed it. The presentation was done right there at Leonardo Headquarters (Rossi's Miami Beach condo) according to Acland. LOLs. It is a small condo, so that is probably why the camera was trained only on the SK, or video throughout. For some reason I thought it was going to be done from the customers factory.


    Shane,.... it WAS done from the "customer's" factory! ;)

  • That still doesn't answer my basic question -- how is the heat pushed out to the room? One poster above commented that the Blue Box we saw is just an exemplar not the one running. But the exemplar still didn't have any ducting connections, so is all the heat supposed to come out through the samovar to heat the room?

    See around 6:25.



    Rossi says the heated fluid connections come in/out of that done thing at the top. They presumably go off to a heat exchanger in the ducts of the office being heated.

  • Looks like you nailed it. The presentation was done right there at Leonardo Headquarters (Rossi's Miami Beach condo) according to Acland. LOLs. It is a small condo, so that is probably why the camera was trained only on the SK, or video throughout. For some reason I thought it was going to be done from the customers factory.


    Frank Acland ECW Admin Alain Samoun2 hours ago

    The pre-recorded part of the video (with the plasma, etc. on the split screen, etc.) was apparently in the customer's factory, but I did not go there. The live presentation was done in the Leonardo Corp. office in Miami

  • Vague recipe for a plasma based LENR device.


    - Various electrode geometries but sharp tips are extremely useful.

    - Platinum or other metals that are not good thermionic emitters.

    - Optimal fuel mixture of hydrogen/deuterium, lithium, metal nano-particles, and noble gases.

    - Control system that will produce a resonant condition in the reactor.

    - The discharge must stay in the negative resistance zone.

    - A double layered space charge construct must form.


    I think if someone experimented with the above that some small level of excess heat could be achieved very easily

  • The SK covered by a sheet wasn't operating. The pipes coming out of the top weren't connected to anything. Another SK was heating the factory via a heat exchanger.


    Here in the UK we use "wet" heating systems. In my case an oil burner heats water in a tank called a thermal store. That in turn delivers water to pipes in the floor for heating and/or taps/faucets. By coincidence my house is around 3000sqf.


    If the SK can produce hot water in the range 55C to 95C it would be dead easy to hook up to my system. I understand the SK may take awhile to turn on/off but that's ok as the thermal store acts as a buffer tank.


    So you are saying that what he showed was not connected and was not heating the room. Not a very good demo then.

    SO it sounds like you are saying that what was heating the room was not the SK that he was demonstrating but something else unknown and unseen???? Perhaps a propane stove or an electric heater or a wood burner... who knows?

  • From the transcript:


    (FA) Gianluca asks I would remember - I would remind Rossi that in the EU the heaters in big buildings are installed in a specific room that is opened only to technicians so he says it's like an industry the only staff can enter into a heater room

    (AR) ok I take advice of this and I will take you information about that we have to evaluate you know here is an important issue connected with this question so thanks to John Luca the issue is this when we make an installation it is necessary the protect our clients gets the consulting of a certified engineer that must be certified by the locality where we have to install our technology depending on the laws may be the he must be certified by the state we are in by the region I don't know it depends on the local laws and we have the necessity to winter to it we do it in to interface with this engineer to respect all the local laws so if the certified engineer will tell me that I am authorized with the certifications that we have to install my plants in a specific place well there are no problems

  • Looks like you nailed it. The presentation was done right there at Leonardo Headquarters (Rossi's Miami Beach condo) according to Acland. LOLs. It is a small condo...

    I thought just before the live-stream finished I could hear Rossi’s wife in the background talking to Rossi: “Andrea, now please screw the UV bulb back in my face-tanner, and also please return my body scale into the bath-room”.

  • So the ends justify the means? I agree in some circumstances, when life, individually or globally, is in danger (and other circumstances), but rarely is that the case. May I steal your child's lunch money or college education fund in order to give money to a homeless charity -- I think we would all generally say no. Regardless, Rossi has never been faced with that decision. In IH he had someone who invested over 10 million dollars, but Rossi conned, cheated and defrauded them. None of that was necessary for Rossi to develop his "magnificence."


    As to the claim that he received 10 million why does he need to continue grifting? First, Uncle Sam took his bite of the 10 million, second, I suspect that Rossi believed he could continue conning IH and was counting on the additional hundreds of millions that he was going to get and probably spent a fair amount of it, not just on condos in Miami but also on fine dining and the good life, and third, and most primary in my view, is that once a conman you just can't retire -- it's in your blood.

    I had to look up what 'grifting' means. Good to know. You will notice that Rossi's condo, where he did his presentation, was not adorned with granite flooring. I hardly highly doubt he wines and dines. I think he works hard and lives modestly.

    You wrote "So the ends justify the means?" You just got the bingo. If you have time google that expression, combined with the words "philosopher" and "Italy" and it may send you venturing down the rabbit hole where I recently came from.

  • Well, here we have it. A public add for an eCat! Posted on ECW.




    Note that it states "Certified for industrial use". Here is an opportunity to test Rossi's

    actual truthfulness. He is stating he is "certified" which would have to come from a

    regulation agency or testing lab such as UL.


    Now surely this will not be confidential! What "IP" could be lost by showing his "certification"?

    None.


    Since I have been banned from ECW, can someone post to Frank and ask him to post

    the "industrial certification". This would be good advertisement! It would be good PR!

    There is no drawback from it!


    However, this will not happen because there is no certification. What would it be certified to?

    A hot water heater? Not with a novel, nuclear heat source!. Exactly what "certification" is

    Rossi talking about. There is NO "industrial" certification. You get certified to an established

    standard set forth by ASTME, UL, CE, SAE, etc. etc. Each of these are particular standards setting

    forth testing procedures, required parameters etc. Simply another of Rossi's crazy flags such

    as "Sigma 5". Remember when he was stating he could not go into production until Sigma 5 was

    reached! Well, he should be able to show his "Sigma 5" certificate as well!


    What about the "bad demo on purpose" theory to "stay under the radar" and

    avoid competition? Sure! What is the logical thing to do..... put out a public AD!

    That is "staying under the radar". Also put in that ad, the link to see the Skcat cat in

    action! Oh boy!


    I would ask A.A. if he wants to wager if an actual "industrial certification" will ever be

    produced. A.A. do you want to bet $10? No you will make some lame excuse babblings why

    Rossi does not need certifications, even though Rossi states he has one!


    A.S. perhaps you, being an established Rossi supporter, could has him for a copy of these certifications to

    show on this forum, to provide positive proof of his credibility of his SKat Cat? Surely he would not

    deny a faithful some information in support and to further his sales?


    Edit... And Engineer 48 has stated he has customers waiting! Rossi turned him down before.

    A.A..... here is a Rossi fan and supporter with customers. Want to bet that Engineer will NOT be

    posting that any of his customers have purchased a unit! (Or purchased the heat) Will we hear

    anything about a customer from Engineer48 except some Rossi excuse?


    Alan Smith, I seem to remember you have been in personal contact with Engineer48. (in the past?)

    How about you contacting him and posting here what good news is going on with E48 customers! :)


    Yet, some here are still defending and in some cases, identifying their current work with Rossi!

    That is really a good way to gain credibility! :/

  • So you give opinions about Rossi's goodness and humanity based on an acolyte's book, and video interviews with the perpetrator? Good going!


    There is no need to read summaries, the whole pre-trial transcript (there was no trial, BTW!) is on line and you can read whatever part you wish.

    What summaries did you read of the trial? Rossi's?


    I read much of what Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax wrote. Great writing, experience and insight.

  • I'm presuming but if anyone is motivated and equipped to experiment along those lines, it's Russ George.

  • Mark U

    How in the world would you know what Rossi does, how hard he works and how he lives? What does "I hardly doubt..." mean?

    I meant 'highly' doubt, not 'hardly' doubt. Sorry.

    Regarding Rossi and how he lives and works : I don't 'know', rather I said 'I think'. He seems like an incredibly intense and focussed individual, from his endurance running as a young man, onward. He seems like a lean and mean workaholic and doesn't strike me as a wine and dine type at all.

  • Note that it states "Certified for industrial use".

    Hey, don't worry a about safety - there is a big red panic button on top of the casing.


    Imagine this conversation of a factory owner with his staff:

    “Hey guys, it seems that the lovely dancing plasma ballerina inside of the nuclear heater box - the one which this Italian guy installed for us a couple of weeks ago - got a bit out of control and is overheating.

    There is some strange light or radiation coming out of the box now.

    I need someone to go there and hit the panic button. Who volunteers?

    This Italian guy with the weird voice, the guy who created with his previous venture in Italy an enviromental mess and left tons of toxic waste behind, he ensured me that his nuclear reactor is safe and only creates free energy/heat, but no harmful ionizing will ever leave his box. So, don‘t worry to go there!“

  • Now that makes sense; 380 Ws could heat a small Miami condo. :) Maybe the factory was behind the curtain, or was that the bedroom?

    Well, Rossi said before, the customer is “One of the Biggest Entities in the World in its Field”.

    Since there are not many entities which sell LENR reactors (or is there any other one who sold garbage a plant for 10 mio US$ ?), Leonardo Corp would well match with this description.


    Here some more info from ecw about the particullar venue for that earthshaking e-catSK event: (sorry for pasting it as a screen-shot, but that‘s easier to copy)



  • Can't we just write the whole episode off as a scam now and get on with other more important issues? Or is this going to carry on forever - NONE of it is worth analysing or questioning - just let AR go his own sweet way and wish him a pleasant retirement on his ill-gotten gains. $10 million and he didn't even have to rob a bank!

  • Dr Richard


    I believe that Mr Rossi still harbours ambitions for another major score. Not by selling heat to anyone but by once again trying to sell/license his IP.


    During his recent presentation he remarked that he thought this might amount to billions. That is unrealistic, of course, but I can see him conning people for multiple millions more.

  • Mark,


    Whether one admires the man, or not, I think everyone could agree that the way he is going about this shows he is the worse business man on the planet. If he has something, at this pace he may as well not have something for all the good it will do the world. You do not save the planet with a 20% discount, and a customer base that -because of the strict requirements they must meet, won't be more than a handful. He jealously guards his secrets so he can selfishly have the world market all to himself, yet so incompetent he will never have any market to speak of.


    BTW; Since you stepped up to the plate to defend Rossi, and Adrain hardly posts anymore, could you start calling us babblers?

    Sam,


    Great,

    Sometime in 2019 Andrea Rossi will introduce a commercially available device that develops Energy Out > Energy In.


    I’ll take the over,

    but I’ll also guarantee that when 2019 comes and goes, the Rossi acolytes will have more excuses why their leader failed.


    Andrea Rossi is a liar, a fraud and a conman,

    and it is simply beyond reason that this is not obvious to everyone.

  • Looks like you nailed it. The presentation was done right there at Leonardo Headquarters (Rossi's Miami Beach condo) according to Acland. LOLs. It is a small condo, so that is probably why the camera was trained only on the SK, or video throughout. For some reason I thought it was going to be done from the customers factory.

    1. Alessandro Coppi February 2, 2019 at 12:49 PM

      Hi Andrea,

      I saw the whole presentation of the E-CAT SK on the 31st january, and congratulate for the big effort and success in bringing this technology to the market, but looking at the streaming, a question is bouncing: why a so raw realization? no presentation of the persons involved in, only one instead of at least two cameras for different and more detailed images … your face appears in the video, only one second because you lowered yourself.

      Today I believe to know the motivation of this choice: your target is to not to reach too many clients, perhaps because your production capacity, the logistic and installation organization does not support a gigantic volume of requests, and perhaps the E-CAT SK need of test for more time for reliability.

      This is your approach, and I respect this, also because everyone has to take the step according to the leg, unluckily, this way will take more time for the global diffusion, and the world needs it as soon as possible.

      By the way, do not worry much for IP, there is enough room for everybody in this field, and you are the one that named this technology with his first name and surname.

      Very honoured to have sharing with you the same time over this earth.

      Alessandro Coppi

    2. Andrea Rossi February 2, 2019 at 2:29 PM

      Alessandro Coppi:

      Thank you for your opinion, but the presentation has been organized by me in the fashion I decided was the right one. The rawness was a precise choice and the fact that I have not been filmed was a precise choice too.

      I wanted to avoid any embellishment and render the situation such that nothing could attract the attendant but the core of the issue, also to avoid to lose time with persons that have not been able to get the core of the issue. We are in the pioneer phase of the marketing, not in the mass phase.

      Sincerely, from the feedback in the aftermath, I can see that most of the audience, especially the one that was the target of the presentation, appreciated it as it was, but it is correct to respect all the opinions. Maybe I am wrong.

      Thank you for your attention to our work,

      Warm Regards,

      A.R.

  • https://www.defendershield.com…e-emf-radiation-emissions

  • It's not our job to stop AR. Sure its good to make people aware of the problem (like any other Ponzi scheme or green energy scam). All I can say is that if he does carry on he's far more likely to end up in jail for fraud than if he quietly disappears. So which option is more likely?

  • Dr Richard


    I believe that Mr Rossi still harbours ambitions for another major score. Not by selling heat to anyone but by once again trying to sell/license his IP.


    During his recent presentation he remarked that he thought this might amount to billions. That is unrealistic, of course, but I can see him conning people for multiple millions more.

    A.R. fought tooth and nail to protect

    his IP.I don’t think he has any thoughts of selling it’s.

    It’s all about obtaining customers now.