Rossi E-Cat SK Demo Discussion

  • A.R. fought tooth and nail to protect

    his IP.I don’t think he has any thoughts of selling it’s.

    It’s all about obtaining customers now.

    Considering all the information on hand, the product characteristic and feature set, market conditions, application details, regulatory environment, business model, value proposition and various externalities, one can put together a reasonably accurate model to roughly estimate the number of customers Rossi is likely to obtain. That number is: zero.

  • See around 6:25.



    Rossi says the heated fluid connections come in/out of that done thing at the top. They presumably go off to a heat exchanger in the ducts of the office being heated.

    My calculation is with just a liquid water heat exchanger and a temperature change of 50C, the amount of water needed would be about 0.1 kg/s. This would comfortably fit into the samovar/piping.


    Rossi actually mentions it uses steam at 600C, so this would call for a heat enthalpy calcuation, and allow for about a factor of 10 lesser rate of water usage.

  • All I can say is that if he does carry on he's far more likely to end up in jail for fraud than if he quietly disappears. So which option is more likely?


    He has already been in jail for fraud in the 1990s. And yet here he is ... still working away.


    You are approaching this rationally whereas really you should be thinking about psychology and personality. "Quietly disappears" is not in Rossi's orbit. Rossi wants to be the name on every tongue. He wants to have the world kneel at his feet and praise his modesty. He wants to manipulate and connive. He wants the Nobel prize. He wants to fool the world's smartest people. In short ... it's psychopathy.


    Take a look at Bob Hare's book on the subject. Hare describes psychopaths manipulating and scamming him even as they sat in jail. It is a drive and an aspect of personality. It is even biological. Psychopaths display their traits even in childhood. There are discrete regions of the brains of psychopaths that actually work differently that those of nonpsychopaths.


    You ask which option is more likely? I think that Mr Rossi will continue his scamming efforts until he is physically or mentally unable to do so. Money is a way of keeping score but it is not determinative.

  • A.R. fought tooth and nail to protect

    his IP.I don’t think he has any thoughts of selling it’s.

    It’s all about obtaining customers now.


    Well that is not what Mr Rossi says. When asked whether he would ever reveal the secret of the SK, even after it is widely distributed and his precedence is widely acknowledged he says


    "well this depends on the licensee of the licensees because I don't think they will be very happy if if I will gladly spread around intellectual property they have invested in. So this issue is very difficult to be answered now and in this situation because it does not imply me it implies of the world that will rotate around this technology there will be probably billions invested and so that the issue is very difficult to be answered and I know is not depend on me"


    He is saying that the reason he would not reveal his IP is because it would upset those to whom he has sold the rights.

  • We'll know soon enough about all this when one of the customers will speak more openly. Rossi has addressed this question and claims this will be happening.


    This SK presentation was, by every measure, so bad he needs that to happen soon to maintain some semblance of credibility, and keep the hope going among his most faithful. I have to admit, I even let myself think there was a chance he had a real customer this time around, but now believe it most likely HE is his own customer.....again.

    Nonetheless, I will still enjoy reading he, and his sockpuppets over the coming year try and convince otherwise. Another repeat of Doral and the whole JM Products thing, but this time as Dewey said...with a bit of pity for the man. Sad in a way.

  • I cannot for the life of me understand what the purpose of that "demonstration" was.

    A dog and pony show with no canine or equine components whatsoever, very badly presented.

    Nor can I understand how Rossi still has faithful believers.

    But then I am constantly amazed by the mad things some people seem honestly to believe.

  • I cannot for the life of me understand what the purpose of that "demonstration" was.

    A dog and pony show with no canine or equine components whatsoever, very badly presented.

    Nor can I understand how Rossi still has faithful believers.

    But then I am constantly amazed by the mad things some people seem honestly to believe.


    Very often psychopaths and mentally disturbed "inventors" turn on the blind faith of dreamers who believe in illusions

  • Maybe you'r all missing the bigger picture with not knowing how his unit works anyone that comes out with s working system he can claim its his tech and Keep the use of lenr in limbo ..Seems court may be a playground if you have the right trap set.along with all the others getting there paperwork ready, What are we walking into this day and age. never ending traps.

  • I followed this guy since 2012 for some years. First I believed he has something big, years later I believed he is a highly sophisticated scammer, and meanwhile I tend to believe he is paid by some big companies to discredit LENR technology.

    He destroyed at least 2 companies with big ambitions, one in Greece and one in North Carolina.

    Though I strongly believe LENR is a very hopeful technology for the future of mankind, I don't believe in Mr. Rossi, in no way.

    He is a scammer, and possibly a paid scammer. Possibly even paid by somebody who really already has the tech working, and doesn't want to become this information public.

  • For newbies and those with faulty memories, the infamous SGS certificate was endlessly dissected and analyzed and was clearly shown to be utterly meaningless.

    Thanks Barty for posting the question.


    Yes, as IO states, the SGS is NOT a certification. It clearly states and had wording within the document that it cannot be used for anytype of public or industrial application. I do not have the link at hand, but the actual document is available and it is definitely NOT a cettfication. Whether the skat cat is "covered" by it is moot. The SGS document is not in anyway an operational certification. (Besides, it only covered external electrical enclosures and switchrs)


    So if Rossi is touting the SGS cert, it is most definitely a provable lie. No surprise. But then A.A., A.S and R.G. do not care and still support? 🤔

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    He seems like an incredibly intense and focussed individual, from his endurance running as a young man

    People keep citing that but the only source for it I have ever seen was written by Rossi himself. And we should know by now how reliable he is. Anyway, it's irrelevant to his current behavior.

  • I don’t have the SGS document handy either. I am sure one could scare it up if one wanted to dig through the archives. In any case, my recollection is that SGS issued a document attesting to the fact that the entity paying them a fee had submitted to them a written test plan for their product/device. The document clearly stated in its copious small print that SGS played no part in any test that might have been performed, had no knowledge of the equipment and methodology employed, and did not know the results. It was the product certification equivalent of purchasing the right to name a star after someone. In other words, the certification was utterly meaningless.

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    It's not our job to stop AR.

    Perhaps not but I bet Tom Darden and many others wish someone had, long before now.


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    We'll know soon enough about all this when one of the customers will speak more openly. Rossi has addressed this question and claims this will be happening.

    You don't get it do you? Rossi has never had a real customer for anything he has ever made. He's had investors and distributors and while a few lucked out and got refunds, most ended up screwed out of varying amounts of money including millions of dollars in return for absolutely nothing-- or in IH's case, in return for a merit-less and very expensive lawsuit. Rossi has claimed "customers" since 2011 and never produced one. You seriously think he is going to start now?


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    In any case, my recollection is that SGS issued a document attesting to the fact that the entity paying them a fee had submitted to them a written test plan for their product/device. The document clearly stated in its copious small print that SGS played no part in any test that might have been performed, had no knowledge of the equipment and methodology employed, and did not know the results. It was the product certification equivalent of purchasing the right to name a star after someone. In other words, the certification was utterly meaningless.

    Your recollection is correct. Rossi has never shown a real safety endorsement from any standard source following appropriate inspections. Sort of the same way he has never had a meaningful patent.


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    We'll know soon enough about all this when one of the customers will speak more openly. Rossi has addressed this question and claims this will be happening.

    If Rossi ever presents a "customer," it will be one of his cronies or a hired actor. Those of you who don't remember or have not read about Rossi's much vaunted megawatt demo in October 2011 should check out his customer for that charade- a supposed "NATO colonel" whose name I forgot. But here is something about the event of now more than 7 years ago!


    https://www.bibliotecapleyades…ncia/ciencia_energy87.htm

  • The SGS certification (ISTR) was just that when in operation it produced no harmful radiation.
    It did NOT certify that the power was as claimed.

    The SK seems to be an entirely different system than the original E-Cats, so I don't see how the old certificate is still valid.

    I don't think his black-body calculation is valid. There's some discussion of this on ecat world : https://e-catworld.com/2019/02…in-spectometer-signature/


    Still a null test for me (neither proven nor disproven).

  • You don't get it do you? Rossi has never had a real customer for anything he has ever made. He's had investors and distributors and while a few lucked out and got refunds, most ended up screwed out of varying amounts of money including millions of dollars in return for absolutely nothing-- or in IH's case, in return for a merit-less and very expensive lawsuit. Rossi has claimed "customers" since 2011 and never produced one. You seriously think he is going to start now?


    I appreciate that the lack of information with a private entity and IP rights, and Rossi's history can allow for skepticism. Still it doesn't take too much effort for me to wait a little longer and see. There's a limit to how much all of this can progress without things becoming more public, as Rossi himself recently acknowledged.


    At a minimum he has some interesting scientific rationale in his recent paper. I can sympathize with the notion that refereed journals tend to reject new things.

  • People keep citing that [Rossi is intense and hard working] but the only source for it I have ever seen was written by Rossi himself.

    People who have worked with him told me that. He worked for many hours a day, and made dozens of prototypes. That is one of the many things about Rossi that puzzle me. Why would a scammer work for hours a day? It shouldn't take long to make a fake device, and there is no need to make dozens of them.

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    Why would a scammer work for hours a day? It shouldn't take long to make a fake device, and there is no need to make dozens of them.

    Nothing puzzling about that. High tech scamming, like good sleight of hand magic, is not easy. It takes time and practice to make sure it will work right and none of the marks (uh... customers) will see how the fake is done. Don't underrate the difficulty of doing that, even with cheap-sh*t parts from hardware stores, duct tape and rusty pipes.


    There is also a reason for multiple "types" of devices. If Rossi had continued with the same devices, people would have asked more and more and better targeted questions. Good magicians don't do their best illusions twice close together to the same crowd. That can defeat misdirection. The same applies to lying scammers like Rossi. He needed to keep his admirers confused while at the same time, giving them more excuses to believe him and to rationalize his lack of independent verification or even self-consistent demos.


  • On the official website no evidence that the ECAT SK is available as a product. If I want to sell a product I would at least place a link there, but nothing. The only 'advertising' is a sock puppet Youtube video and an amateur video of a blue scrap box in a rented apartment.

  • "The only 'advertising' is a sock puppet Youtube video and an amateur video of a blue scrap box in a rented apartment."


    And this one, very prominent on ECW. Almost like Frank Ackland is a subsidary of Leornardo...doesn't he violate common rules using Rossi's Cat- Logo and this advertisement piece? At least he should provide a disclaimer, shouldn't he?