Rossi E-Cat SK Demo Discussion

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The guys who let a whole year slip by without asking where the heat exchanger was?

That is unfair to IH. They knew perfectly well there was no heat exchanger. They also knew there could not be 1 MW of heat coming from the machine. They did not make this information public until the lawsuit was filed, but they did tell me and others the gist of the situation during the 1-year test.

I am sure they told that British investor as well. Otherwise he would have sued them. The fact that there was no exchanger and no 1-MW heat source was immediately obvious to anyone who visited the site, as I believe the investor (or his representative) did. See the Murray letter for details.

I see the Planet Rossi logic machine has returned in fine form. I don't think it is possible to have a rational discussion with this guy.

For the record, when you're running out rope - you let it run.

The $10 million Validation was in (something like) April 2013, before the big blue box was sent to the USA and re-fitted in Raleigh.

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Then why did IH pay the $10M validation per the contract?

They paid before the 1-year test.

The only thing what nobody here will miss for sure, is kevmolenr...

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Then why did they want the IP in the countersuit? They would have known it was worthless.

Rossi sold IH the eggs from his pink dragon that was hiding in his garage.

IH never received those eggs, or perhaps received fake eggs, and either way could not grow a dragon of their own.

So Rossi either did not give them them the real dragon eggs because he did not have any (or even the pink dragon), or he did have the dragon and eggs but took IH’s money and did not deliver them real dragon eggs.

IH wanted the dragon eggs they paid for, or for Rossi to admit that he had no dragon and therefore the eggs were fakes.

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Former French President Pompidou who died in 1973 said: "There are three ways to ruin yourself ; women, gambling and research. The most enjoyable is with women, the fastest is with gambling, but the safest is with research."

Actually, the quote goes like this:

• There are three roads to ruin; women, gambling and technicians. The most pleasant is with women, the quickest is with gambling, but the surest is with technicians.

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https://www.brainyquote.com/fr…n/georges-pompidou_126633

But there are many derivatives - people modify quotes to their liking...

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Ok. Let’s say you learn about an exciting new can opener. Rumours are that it works great. So great that all other can openers will soon be obsolete.

By some luck, you are able to purchase a licence from the can opener inventor, so you can manufacture these new can openers. It requires that the can opener be demonstrated on several types of can, so ensure that it is good as it seems. Sure enough, the inventor opens the cans incredibly, even if a large number of cans were not even attempted to be opened during the test to Validate the can opener.

You sign a contract for a semi-exclusive license to the can opener, and pay $10 million for this.

It is possible that the inventor has already the final embodiment for the ready-for-market can opener version. Certified, ergonomic, just plug and play. For this ultimate market-ready version an additional $89 million will be paid. It has to be tested in a real restaurant for a year, so be sure that it is indeed market ready.

Back at your facility, you make a few can openers based on the can opener IP you have purchased. They shred the can tops, leave metal chunks in the cans, and don’t stay on the can tops long enough to open a can. The independently constructed can opener is so poor that it is easier to pound the lid of a can off with the can opener than cut the lid off as the design intends. You call the inventor, and ask for help. Whenever you aren’t looking, the inventor gets the can opener to work, but when you watch, the can opener fails even for the inventor. You make a bunch of sealed can openers for testing. As a blank, a sheet of paper is installed into some of the sealed can opener assemblies instead of a can opener. The inventor not only gets these sealed can openers to open cans beautifully, but the sheet of paper units also miraculously open cans.

In the meantime the inventor says he has found a restaurant that can be used for the ultimate can opener test. He wants to show that the ultimate can opener can function in a real restaurant with a real need of ultimate can openers. The problems with the other can openers made under licence can be dealt with later. The restaurant cannot wait. There must be quick action, so as to not lose the opportunity. The restaurant will surely install some other make of can opener if they do not act fast. The restaurant is associated with a giant kitchen gadget manufacturer, and will undoubtedly raise the profile of these can openers once they go public with the use of these thrilling new can openers.

Immediately problems start cropping up. The can opener installed at the restaurant is greatly modified from the ultimate can opener version intended to be tested. The wiring is weird. The blades don’t seem to make sense, etc. The restaurant itself seems nothing like the restaurants associated with the giant kitchen gadget manufacturer. Nobody seems to eat there. No food goes in, and no food packaging ever comes out. The restaurant customers are hidden behind a wall. Nobody can ask them how was their meal, did they find metal bits in their food, were the chefs swearing about can openers or not.

And still the can openers made at your facility will not open cans. Reports come in that the restaurant is opening many thousands of cans a day. More cans are reported being opened in the restaurant than can be explained by the number of customers, the amount of space to hold the cans, or the lack of empty cans and lids being shipped out.

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But they bought them anyway. It might have been a shrewder deal to say to Rossi 'here's a million dollars, if your stuff works there will be more, but if it doesn't you can keep the million and go away- we won't breathe a word'

Deals done with hindsight however....But you must admit it would have saved $9M and a lot of pixels and paperwork.

How about they had said, "You submit the device to a confidential independent "black box" test using the test methods we require or we walk?" That would have saved $11.5M to a crook and another estimated $5M to legal fees. It is what one billionaire did and I suspect NASA and several other companies and entrepreneurs did as well.

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The can opener inventor says forget about those can openers you built, we have invented a faster can opener prototype. It is sent to Europe to be tested by esteemed Professors that have some experience with the previous versions of the amazing can opener design. This European test reports the new prototype is opening cans at a phenomenal rate, for nearly a month straight. This assuages the misgivings about the failed versions you built using the licence. Only much later it is discovered that the Professors have examined the cans under a magnifying glass, and the cans were in fact tiny. The combined volume of tiny cans seems to be the same volume as would be expected from a standard grocery store can opener opening normal sized cans. The magnifying glass has simply made the tiny cans appear to be regular sized cans.

Something similar seems to happening at the restaurant test, but it is hard to be sure, since the restaurant itself cannot be visited. It is a secret restaurant with secret customers. The restaurant reports that cans are being opened with a rapidity and smoothness that is remarkable. The can opener can be visited, but the number cans being opened and the number of customers eating at the restaurant cannot be verified. It is all behind the restaurant wall of secrecy. A can opener expert is hired. His attempt to visit and assess the restaurant can opener is rebuffed. The inventor claims that he is too expert in can openers, and too familiar with other can opener manufacturers and will obviously try to steal the can opener IP if he visits.

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Quote from Alan Smith

NASA's part in this nothing to do with that demand...it has been discussed here already. They got the wrong fuel.

NASA got the wrong fuel? I don't think so. They never got anything. They visited Rossi. They showed Rossi that the reactor was plugged up and dangerous. Rossi went ape-shit and threw them out. They never concluded an agreement or got any reactor or fuel. That's what they told me during the conference in Williamsburg, Virginia.