There are other people who deserve such a move....sad.
This is just because he dared to touch the sanctum Sanctorum of LF.
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Bob offended the mods - how dare he.
Absolutely pitiful and disgraceful.
Yet another unneeded stain on L.F. which continues to signal not ready for prime time. (which is coming).
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It is ironic that in a place where the orthodoxy of mainstream science is pilloried incessantly, the only truly unforgivable sin is blasphemy.
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Since Eric left, we adopted a more tolerant policy, where banning would be used only as a last resort. It is a graduated, and polite process whereby we try to nudge and prod them back on a more acceptable path. All done with a soft touch, so as not to offend, and embarrass in front of their fellow members. Most respond and adjust accordingly, a few do not. If Zeus is correct, Bob has brought up the two topics (Stockholm reporting/AE data) over 30 times, with several more posts added yesterday. That is excessive, and indicates more a personal vendetta, than carrying on a conversation.
Both Alan and I have tried in every way possible to get him to stop, and refocus his talents elsewhere. He refused every step of the way, so after exhausting all other means at our disposal, we had no choice left really. The suspension is lifted in 2 weeks. He is more than welcome to rejoin the forum then.
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Shane, it is quite obvious that personal vendettas are entirely acceptable as long as they are not directed at certain people. So don’t pretend to have laudable principles.
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Shane:
Your process makes more sense than it used to. It is a little weird to see a thread where you KNOW you responded to something and wonder why it was deleted. It's not like there used to be a notification that the post was moved elsewhere, it was just expected to be "understood".
This thread is mislabelled. It should be called "Shunted Discussions" or "Rejected Posts" or something like that.
Maybe it's time to consider shutting down this thread and opening up a new "Reject" thread with the new set of rules prominently posted so that expectations are properly set...
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Well, you can always vote with your feet IO.
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Well, you can always vote with your feet IO.
And you can always ignore me,
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Shane, it is quite obvious that personal vendettas are entirely acceptable as long as they are not directed at certain people. So don’t pretend to have laudable principles.
We could ask for opinions on how to better Moderate this forum, and get 50 different answers. The best feedback we get is from the growing membership ranks, the number of active threads open, and the inside information fed to us from various sources. By all those measures, LF is doing very well, so we must be doing something right. We are the go to place where anyone interested, or involved in LENR, comes to catch up on the latest news, and discuss issues.
Our members have played a huge role in that success. We have a wide range of personalities represented, and it is almost impossible to intervene and referee every little dispute that arises from mixing so many styles, but we do the best we can.
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Shane an I are in total agreement on this issue. And remember, moderation is harder than just posting your opinions.
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Although IO is not officially a skeptic, looks like many of today's posts would be better here How do you convince a skeptic?
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Bob Greenyer
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People may or may not be aware that I am both Clairvoyant and a Remote Viewer (no training). My latest premonition was that my kettle would fail 3 days ago and it did yesterday, I have never considered it failing in many years of owning it, I cannot force these predictions they just happen. I have predicted everything from my aunt getting gangrene in her big toe and having it amputated (2 years before it happened when I was a young child), my fathers exact death date, the volcano in Iceland erupting (2 years before it happened), the worldwide financial crisis (many years before it happened and one principal reason I relocated my life to Czech) - even my hairdresser cutting his hand for the first time after more than a decade of cutting hair. In each of these cases, I told other people, even many people of the coming event.
Around the turn of 2012/13 I had another premonition, this time in a dream, that neutrinos were key to LENR, in fact, I went as far as to discuss it with MFMP members and I had a concern that in a world powered by neutrino driven devices, a cosmic event could cause a massive global technological failure - I considered a script for a film based on the concept! (I actually wrote a treatment for the eruption of the volcano in Iceland long before it happened). However, my view is that any additional flux of neutrinos will be small compared to the continuous flux from the sun - sometimes I slightly misinterpret what I see, so my prediction may simply be about having a world driven in part by neutrinos.
In Early 2017, I realised HOW neutrinos might play a central role in LENR, this is a CENTRAL part of 'O-Day' for which I am releasing segments of the explanation & scientific evidence as I can.
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The calorimeter model described at Page 3 of their major paper (1) is not adequate to describe the energy balance when the cell is near or at boiling conditions,
One more try to troll us? As said the boil off was always an extrapolation or and estimate. The proof for LENR is the whole phase before. The boil off only shows the potential of LENR and
Of course P&F in 1990 produced more energy by LENR as HOT-FUSION did up to date.
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Not sure if this is fully correct if we look at the "produced" amount of fusion energy only...of course there is a loooong way to go (if possible at all in the end after billions or trillions wasted) to reach the proposed 10x COP.
This seems to be a reportet fact:
"The current record for fusion power gain in a tokamak is Q = 0.67 held by the European JET facility located in Culham, UK, which produced 16 MW of thermal fusion power for 24 MW of injected heating power in the 1990s."
I doubt that F&P were able to produce a total of 16MW in their lab experiments. But I may be wrong.
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I doubt that F&P were able to produce a total of 16MW in their lab experiments. But I may be wrong.
Probably- they did many hundreds of experiments 'many a mickle makes a muckle'.
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The current record for fusion power gain in a tokamak is Q = 0.67
This COP just accounts for the plasma heating. The coils need a lot more energy ....
But where did you get this figure(COP) from? Sounds more like propaganda...
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If you need 24MW of electrical power to make 16MW of thermal (from which you could make at best 6MW of electricity, the COP is 0.25.
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The COP figure seems to be an "ITER goal" and part of their exorbitant self-esteem, not sure ...this is common stuff to google from the ITER page, and you can find the JET data in other places as well...
https://www.iter.org/proj/inafewlines
1) Produce 500 MW of fusion power
The world record for fusion power is held by the European tokamak JET. In 1997, JET produced 16 MW of fusion power from a total input heating power of 24 MW (Q=0.67). ITER is designed to produce a ten-fold return on energy (Q=10), or 500 MW of fusion power from 50 MW of input heating power. ITER will not capture the energy it produces as electricity, but—as first of all fusion experiments in history to produce net energy gain—it will prepare the way for the machine that can. -
Of course P&F in 1990 produced more energy by LENR as HOT-FUSION did up to date.
Probably. They certainly did in the boil-off and reflex cell experiments.
This seems to be a reportet fact:
"The current record for fusion power gain in a tokamak is Q = 0.67 held by the European JET facility located in Culham, UK, which produced 16 MW of thermal fusion power for 24 MW of injected heating power in the 1990s."
I doubt that F&P were able to produce a total of 16MW in their lab experiments. But I may be wrong.Do not confuse power and energy. The record power output for the PPPL tokamak was around 6 MW. Obviously, that is much more power than any cold fusion experiment. However, the reaction only lasted ~10 seconds as I recall. So that's ~60 MJ. Many cold fusion experiments have produced more energy than that.
I do not know how long the European JET tokamak ran at 16 MW.
CORRECTION: It was 10.7 MW for about 0.6 seconds, not 10 seconds. 6 MJ total. I think. Pretty sure. I wish I could find the graph. Okay, here is what Gene Mallove and I wrote:
The largest plasma fusion reaction in history produced 10.7 megawatts, which is much more power than any cold fusion reaction has produced so far, but it only lasted for a fraction of a second, so it generated roughly 6 megajoules of energy. * Dozens of cold fusion experiments have done better.
* J. D. Strachan et al., Fusion Power Production From TFTR Plasma Fueled with Deuterium and Tritium, PPPL-2978, March 1994
