https://www.lenr-forum.com/attachment/19104-industrial-heat-llc-pdf/
Rob Woudenberg - it's in the link Ahlfors provided.
https://www.lenr-forum.com/attachment/19104-industrial-heat-llc-pdf/
Rob Woudenberg - it's in the link Ahlfors provided.
https://www.lenr-forum.com/att…-industrial-heat-llc-pdf/
Rob Woudenberg - it's in the link Ahlfors provided.
"innovative light source" is not mentioned in that document.
Or maybe I need new reading glasses.
A small, curious tidbit: when Woodford’s Patient Capital Trust imploded, it was taken over by Schroder’s, a large, well known British fund management group. Now called Schroder UK Public Private Trust, they’ve been reshaping the portfolio, selling down some of the legacy holdings. To date though, they’ve opted to keep the stake in Industrial Heat. Could be that’s it’s simply unsaleable, or perhaps they see something there. Presumably when they took over the portfolio, they completed their own due diligence on everything, starting from scratch.
When AR showed his very secret [the no cold fusion part of e-cat, now rebadged as a lamp] , the room hosted four people: AR, TD of NC, and TWO strangers.
In my early days as a Rossi believer I bought into the Woodford fund.
The promises from Rossi, Woodford, and IH were very exciting.
Fortunately I got out (with significant losses) a few months before the fund hit the buffers.
Evidence now leads me to a firm opinion on Rossi as a genius inventor and on Woodford as a genius fund manager.
In regards to Darden and IH the jury is still out.
They made a hash of the Rossi contract and then went dark.
Whether IH have anything, and even if they have, whether they are capable of doing something with it, is still to be discovered.
I would welcome significant breakthroughs in LENR from any source, but I am not hopeful in the case of IH.
It is possible they have seen something compelling, (perhaps a heat anomaly), but are more interested in positioning themselves for a future patent fight.
The fact that some very rich persons, such as Gregory Powell became involved suggests that they have some evidence to show their investors.
And yet the in April 2021 the inheritors of Woodford's IH shares wrote down their value (again).
Ex Woodford Trust dives after 20% writedown.
"The value of Industrial Heat was also reduced by Link fund Solutions, administrator to the trust, due to 'a lack of technical and operational progress'".
Dissolved
It never ceased to amaze me that what I thought were relatively intelligent people, were so easily duped by such an obvious conman.
In Chicago, Rossi goes away
In Chicago, Rossi goes away
There are still to many "Rossis" in the field. People that see success - yes Rossi had success - but just for a short point in time or have a low (2-3) COP for years.
I hope we can help to speed up this process with more intelligent research.
It never ceased to amaze me that what I thought were relatively intelligent people, were so easily duped by such an obvious conman.
In Chicago, Rossi goes away
Ernie 1 was thinking of Chicago on
this ECW thread.
IH HOLDINGS INTERNATIONAL LIMITED Total exemption full accounts made up to 31 December 2021
BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
poetic justice for rubbishing Mizuno's reactor in court
BEFORE THE PATENT TRIAL AND APPEAL BOARD
poetic justice for rubbishing Mizuno's reactor in court
Interesting to see IH is actively appealing.
This appeals relates to application 15/795,171.
InventorJulie A. Morris, Joseph A. Murray
Current Assignee INDUSTRIAL HEAT LLC IH IP Holdings Ltd
Mizuno's patent application mentioned here is currently assigned to Clean Planet Inc.
Note: this is only USPTO related
Edit:
As I read the appeal paper, IH objects to claims of their own patent application being rejected. They are not attacking Mizuno's or Kawamura's claims. As I read it, IH's claims are rejected. Because of these rejections it will also have impact on the US patent applications of Mizuno, Kawamura and others.
Essential is that these patent applications refer to LENR.
In general these reactions are not accepted by USPTO currently.
This may be why other applicants do not refer to LENR in their claims, e.g. Iwamura.
He probably learned his lesson from earlier rejections.
ABANDONED
Display MoreInteresting to see IH is actively appealing.
This appeals relates to application 15/795,171.
InventorJulie A. Morris, Joseph A. Murray
Current Assignee INDUSTRIAL HEAT LLC IH IP Holdings Ltd
Mizuno's patent application mentioned here is currently assigned to Clean Planet Inc.
Note: this is only USPTO related
Edit:
As I read the appeal paper, IH objects to claims of their own patent application being rejected. They are not attacking Mizuno's or Kawamura's claims. As I read it, IH's claims are rejected. Because of these rejections it will also have impact on the US patent applications of Mizuno, Kawamura and others.
Essential is that these patent applications refer to LENR.
In general these reactions are not accepted by USPTO currently.
This may be why other applicants do not refer to LENR in their claims, e.g. Iwamura.
He probably learned his lesson from earlier rejections.
Interestingly, the patent was abandoned. No date on when. But as of 5 months ago it was being appealed by IH. Not sure if authors Murray, and Morris abandoned their patent, and then IH decided to intervene to save it?
The appeals letter Ahlfors provided states "Ex parte Julie Moris and Joesph Murray". As I understand it, that means IH and the USPTO are dealing with each other, and the 2 authors (applicants/appellants) are not involved in the appeals process.
And the appeals letter also states: "Appellant identifies IH IP Holdings as the real party in interest" which I believe means Murray/Morris identified IH as the real party in interest.
Putting it together, it sounds like Murray/Morris abandoned their efforts to have their patent granted. IH was still interested in pursuing it however (must have funded the research), and is now appealing directly to the USPTO. Does that sound plausible?
A side note; Murray/Morris have also been funded by Team Google on other research.
SUBCONTRACTORS
Putting it together, it sounds like Murray/Morris abandoned their efforts to have their patent granted. IH was still interested in pursuing it however (must have funded the research), and is now appealing directly to the USPTO. Does that sound plausible?
I looks like a very naive attempt to get a patent while Mizuno already had one in place with a similar approach and therefor prior art already accessible on their date of filing. Now, on top of it, references to LENR makes related claims refused by USPTO. So, they had two reasons to abandon this application.
· Naievety pays.. sometimes
very naive attempt
SUBCONTRACTORS
· A.· · I started a new business after Industrial·Heat shut down.
21· · · · Q.· · Industrial Heat is shut down?
22· · · · A.· · They ceased to have an engineering operation,
23· ·so they let all of the engineers go.
24· · · · Q.· · What do you mean they ceased to have an engineering operation?
Case 1:16-cv-21199-CMA Document 215-3 Entered on FLSD Docket 03/23/2017 Page 9 of 423
·1· · · · A.· · So we had a group of, I don't know, five orsix engineers that were working at the company.· And as effective the end of October, they gave all of the·engineers a severance package and released us, paying us ·through the end of the year.· And then subsequently wehad to agree to support their ongoing activities,as-needed basis for pay if needed.
·8· · · · Q.· · Have you provided any services to Industrial·Heat after October 2016?
10· · · · A.· · Yeah.· Obligated to from October through·December, and I did I would say very little.· And then
in January there were a few questions, and then this month in preparation for the deposition there were a lot ·more questions.
15· · · · Q.· · Okay.· What was the amount of your severance package?
17· · · · A.· · It was pay and benefits through the end of the year, so for November and December.· It did not
19· ·include any leave on the books.· That was just ·terminated.
21· · · · Q.· · The question was how much.
22· · · · A.· · How much money?
23· · · · Q.· · Yes.· I, I don't know, two months worth of salary.
25· · · · Q.· · What were you being paid at Industrial Heat?
·1· · · · A.· · $200,000 a year.
it sounds like Murray/Morris abandoned their efforts to have their patent granted.
Clean Planet already abandoned their USPTO effort
which appeared to have much more robust experimental backup than IH
US20160155518A1 - Reactant, heating device, and heating method - Google Patents
?Heat utilization system, and heat generating device?
US20160155518A1 - Reactant, heating device, and heating method - Google Patents
2019-12-11 Priority to PCT/JP2019/048395
2021-09-27 Publication of JPWO2020122097A1
Status Pending
Is this the patent you are discussing?
2021-09-27 Publication of JPWO2020122097A1
Status Pending
It seems to be a new iteration.
Interesting
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