MIZUNO REPLICATION AND MATERIALS ONLY

Quote from Pascal Marchetti

it's a bit strange to me that Mizuno/Rothwell strongly recommend accurate analytical procedure for gas evacuation and don't similarly suggest rigorous analysis of the prepared meshes as well (at least it's not part of the original paper).

We do recommend that, but we have not been able to do it, because Mizuno's instruments are broken from the earthquake. As I said in the ICCF22 presentation, we have arranged to have a big lab do a complete analysis of some meshes. I hope that gets underway soon.

https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTincreasedea.pdf

Quote from magicsound

Of course, we cannot be sure if Mizuno's "tap water" is from the municipal supply, but that seems a reasonable assumption.

I am sure it is. He sent me a link to the same analysis that others found.

https://www.city.sapporo.jp/su…/suishitsukekkah31-04.pdf

Nice slides. I hope a few experts were inspired enough to give this a try.

Quote from LENR Calender

I hope a few experts were inspired enough to give this a try.

Yes, a few have been inspired already. A few is all we want. Especially, many non-experts will probably do more harm than good. I do not like to discourage enthusiastic people. But, I do not think it is likely they will succeed. I don't like to see them waste their money and their time, and I do not want them to report that the experiment does not work.

Quote from Shane D.

Speaking of replications, where are all the reports? We had quite a few heading to the lab in the beginning, with some regularly posting their preparations.

Experience tells us that all will complain when it does not work (reason to get more details) but will fall silent when they could do it.

It's perplexing that a lab would make 3 attempts without (I assume) contacting the one co-author who is pretty much available here 24/7 to check if they forgot anything important.

Quote from AlainCo

Just a naive question by someone that will normally never be competent.

How do you learn the experimental methods around those experiments, like managing sealing, pressure, swagelocks, choosing pumps, mass spectrometer, radiations detectors, managing electronic noises, ground wiring, thermocouples, recorders, the mathematic of calorimetry, ambiance temperature, water baths, turbulence...

Is it years of work in lab with professors or old engineers ? can you learn enough by exchange with goodwilling LENR peers , locally, remotely ?
Do you need rather to contact local experts around ? to subcontract some task ?

To contact friendly experts in other domain (biology? Chemistry? car engineering? ...)?

As I understand, even assuming Mizuno R20 can be replicated by careful replication because all have been written, it is not easy, and one need big experience in lab, expensive apparatus, or to acquires that experience by numerous failures and expert feedback.

By the way, gclefforward.to dupls//

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I'm just a retired electronics engineer. To me the difficult things requiring "experience" appear to be those related to creating the vacuum/cleanliness/mass spectrometry. I think the rest should be within the capabilities of any good engineer.

Of course this is in addition to the currently unknown issues that may stop the thing working even if you manage to do everything "right".

Quote from LENR Calender

It's perplexing that a lab would make 3 attempts without (I assume) contacting the one co-author who is pretty much available here 24/7 to check if they forgot anything important.

If you mean me, I have heard from various people. Other than Zhang, they did not give me anything else to publish yet. I never discuss research without permission, and without some sort of document or message from the authors. If they get positive results I assume they will announce them after careful checking. We have been doing a lot to help, on the condition that they publish when they finish. If they decide to keep their results secret, I will be upset! But there is no rush.

I did note here during the conference that a couple of people trying to replicate told me they looked that the mesh with a SEM and found little or no Pd on it. The Ni is rubbing off. They think the Pd has to be annealed, to soften it up. There are different ways to anneal, with a flame or a furnace. An expert told me he will recommend a method with a furnace, but I have not heard back from him. If I do hear from him, I will add this information to the Supplement.

As Wyttenbach has said at ICCF22;

The first step in a Hydrogen fusion reaction is the forming of e.g. H*-H*/D*-D* pairs (Hydrino,dense Hydrogen ..) as shown by Mills/Holmlid.

So how does anyone expect to initiate LENR fusion without initially catalysing hydrino/UDH or in the JR & TM replications ultra dense deuterium? Without a specific UDD catalyst nothing will work - hence the negative Deneum rep., transient Xhang rep probably due to lack of metal oxide catalysts. I proposed a thin oxide metal layer on the 316 stainless steel or some remaining NiO or PdO2 may have been sufficient, or the Pd used by Mizuno may have contained some Ir or Rh hydrogenation catalysts. Either way it would seem sensible to add in Holmlid's UDD catalyst KFeO2 to kickstart any subsequent fusion reactions in these replication attempts to ensure this first step in D fusion reactions.

Status:

The welder will do my endcap this week.

I'm tentatively going to anneal my Pd with a camping stove (Jetboil, isobutane/propane mix, 1900C).

The biggest issue is my tubomolecular pumps (both) don't work. I have a 4 page thread on fusor.net with endless troubleshooting. This is the biggest frustration.