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Quote from JedRothwell

Mizuno told me that you do not work for Mizuno Technologies and that you two are no longer working together.

It is none of my business. I do not know much more than that. I asked him for permission to use one of the figures you circulated showing a reactor with plates in it (below). He said he did not recommend I use it because you do not work for him, or with him. He doesn't know about that figure. Perhaps you are working with someone else and that is the basis for the figure? I have no idea.

Hi Jed, I just spoke with Mizuno and he said his computer is broken so that's why he's not posting here but firstly he said you can use that illustration. Secondly he has one our new prototypes in his hands so of course he knows about it and he pre-approved my entire ICCF24 presentation as well.

When he gets his computer working which should be very soon he will post something here to make sure there are no misunderstandings.

Focardi's preparation surface was very highly "studied" so i expect that Mizuno's achieved that a while with his Pd rubbing process however only by hazard, by explaining once his xsh.

Quote from magicsound

One of the first reports is in

Battaglia, l. Daddi, s. Focardi, v. G, v. Montalbano, f. Piantelli, P.G. Sona and s.
Veronesi - Neutron emission in Ni-H Systems. Il Nuovo Cimento 1999, pp 921-931
112A, Vol.

That article was summarized in a document about Italian research posted by ?? to L-F as an attachment:

https://www.lenr-forum.com/att…-italian-experiments-pdf/

"One of the experimental cells, one that produced about 900 MJ, while producing energy,
uttered a few days neutrons that were observed with two different techniques, using
neutron counters to He3 and gold activation technique. The latter (R3) allowed him to
assess the flow of neutrons emitted from experimental cell 10 neutrons/cm2s equal to
1000 times the estimated flow of neutrons contained in cosmic radiation."

The referenced article in English (R3) is available from Springer (paywalled):

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF03035901

Another excerpt from the document is pertinent to the immediate subject in this thread (H flux)

"Also... observed the existence of some temperatures at
which the amount of (H) absorbed (by the nickel) per unit of time particularly high values
(A3). The variability of such loading concluded that this first trial is essential if you
experience any of the following phenomena observed. In other words, if the metal doesn't
absorb hydrogen there is no effect."

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Simply Li7 is enough now about another topic i would know how your friend jurg ( or you)should explain this below, with his theory...

Li 11 halo nucleus - Google Suche

Quote from RobertBryant

lighter metals than transitions like Scandium and Calcium have very sparse low kev states

whereas Sm, Gd and other rare earths have a huge diversity of low kev states

Gd 155 has a particularly low one at 22 kev.. with a reasonably long halflife..

magicsound

Thank you for the Focardi/Piantelli links. They did indeed report some Neutrons, as did (from memory) Piantelli solo and SRI. All (perhaps) associated with Tritium production, but such reports are very few and far between.

Quote from Daniel_G

Hi Jed, I just spoke with Mizuno and he said his computer is broken so that's why he's not posting here but firstly he said you can use that illustration.

I don't know about the broken computer. He recently sent me something to translate, so it seems to be working. Yes, he did say I can use the illustration. So did you, in this forum. Thank you!

He also said he does not know about the illustration, meaning he cannot vouch for the accuracy of it, because he is not working with you and you are no longer part of his company. That's all he said. Since I do not know what data the illustration is based on, I decided not to use it. I do not know anything more about you or the illustration, so I have no further comment.

Quote from Daniel_G

When he gets his computer working which should be very soon he will post something here to make sure there are no misunderstandings.

He already posted something here. He said you are no longer working for the company. He didn't say he is not working with you, but that is what he told me.

Quote from Alan Smith

They did indeed report some Neutrons, as did (from memory) Piantelli solo and SRI. All (perhaps) associated with Tritium production, but such reports are very few and far between.

There are definite reports of neutrons from cold fusion, sometimes significantly above background. I do not think anyone who has read the literature carefully would dispute that. See, for example:

Claytor, T.N., D.G. Tuggle, and H.O. Menlove. Tritium Generation and Neutron Measurements in Pd-Si Under
High Deuterium Gas Pressure. in Second Annual Conference on Cold Fusion, "The Science of Cold Fusion". 1991.
Como, Ita: Societa Italiana di Fisica, Bologna, Italy.

https://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ClaytorTNtritiumgen.pdf

Various people observed neutrons from cryogenically cooled titanium shavings.

Takahashi reported neutrons inversely correlated with heat with bulk Pd electrolysis.

Tanzella observed neutrons and gamma rays in their cryogenic exploding wire experiments.

https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/TanzellaFLtriggerede.pdf

Here is the question: Are these neutrons the direct product of nuclear fusion, or are they a secondary effect, possibly prosaic, such as fractofusion? I think many people lean to the second explanation. If they are secondary and prosaic, they do not tell us much about the nature of cold fusion. You should not include them in a theory.

magicsound You can increase flux by adding hydrogen as fast as possible with as high pressure as possible. This will create microcracks at the surface with the most transition metals and can also bypass oxide layer. With higher temperature material will allow faster loading.

You can do the pressure step then wait for some time then use vacuum then make another pressure step and so on. With each step there is higher chance for excess heat reaction.

You can use protium for this purpose to save Deuterium. Protium can be also loaded easier.

me356 Thanks. Pressure measurement range for this cell is limited to 100 Torr (13k Pa or 0.13 bar) by the capacitance gauge used. I can add up to 2 bar safely but that would be estimated pressure. Not sure high accuracy is needed but I will initially stay within the measurement range. My cell volume is only 350 cc so the amount of gas at that pressure is not enough to worry about the cost of Deuterium. I have three of your prepared meshes remaining, and will use them to test as you suggested.

Have you ever thought why some can't measure any excess heat? What if their reactor is working but they can't measure it?

Mizuno was changing calorimeters and found it has direct impact on performance measurement. Initially he was obtaining only around 5% of excess.

But he also found that when reactor is cooled too fast then wall temperature will be too low which in turn will also decrease performance.

There is also big aspect why flowing air calorimetry can give you the best results. It is because it measures also surrounding air. Which in turn can heat up reactor walls even more.

It was well documented that reactions can take place even outside of the reactor. But basically nobody takes care here.

Sun is far away but reactions are taking place even here. So what is happening outside the reactor can have big difference.

This mean that reactor body composition can play important role as well as anything close to the reactor, including just air or water.

That is right that some experiments could be influenced by the cooling speed of vessel matters.

For example there is a so large gap between copper vs SS steel which is similar as ceramics.

Not only the matter could be important but also its thermal inertia so that means also thickness involvement.

Noone yet play with that.

Quote from me356

Have you ever thought why some can't measure any excess heat? What if their reactor is working but they can't measure it?

Mizuno was changing calorimeters and found it has direct impact on performance measurement. Initially he was obtaining only around 5% of excess.

But he also found that when reactor is cooled too fast then wall temperature will be too low which in turn will also decrease performance.

There is also big aspect why flowing air calorimetry can give you the best results. It is because it measures also surrounding air. Which in turn can heat up reactor walls even more.

It was well documented that reactions can take place even outside of the reactor. But basically nobody takes care here.

Sun is far away but reactions are taking place even here.

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Whatever is going on in the reactor you can be sure there is radiation coming out of the body. If neutrinos/antineutrinos are involved then with a proper detectors it could be measured far far away.

I believe people will master precise detection of these elementary particles so a small detectors will become reality.

Neutrinos seem very speculating… What kind of behavior you have seen to expect that ?

For example many new elements in vicinity of reactor. The same is confirmed by other scientists.

For living beings it has still completely unknown consequences because we have no means to measure how far the reactions are going on.

Quote from JedRothwell

There are definite reports of neutrons from cold fusion, sometimes significantly above background. I do not think anyone who has read the literature carefully would dispute that. See, for example:

I'll let Ed Storms have a look-in. He said 'Cold fusion does not produce neutrons. This failure was one of the reasons the claim was rejected initially. Any neutrons that are detected must come from a different mechanism...."

Quote from Alan Smith

I'll let Ed Storms have a look-in. He said 'Cold fusion does not produce neutrons. This failure was one of the reasons the claim was rejected initially. Any neutrons that are detected must come from a different mechanism...."

That's what I meant. A different mechanism meaning something else, either triggered by cold fusion, or by the physical conditions needed to produce cold fusion such as high loading. Ed thinks fractofusion causes neutrons. Whether he thinks they all come from that, or just some of them, I don't know.

There is a lot about fractofusion in the cold fusion literature. You can do a search at LENR-CANR.org as shown on this screen grab. Enter the search term in either of the two fields in the red boxes:

if you still are unable to generate excess heat you can vacuum the reactor under higher temperature to deload hydrogen.

During deloading the highest amount of AHE are produced. At some point when mesh is deloaded to a bigger extent it is good to not vacuum thoroughly and let the AHE leave in the reactor - preferably remaining hydrogen that can be easily deloaded.

Then increase pressure fast to a working level. At this moment excess heat will appear.

Great thing is our latest meshes can be loaded and deloaded quite easily. So they can be used even after any pressure operation. We will ship these to MFMP during next week I hope.