Team Google wants your opinion: "What is the highest priority experiment the LENR community wants to see conducted?"

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    A throwback to the past.


    I assume that is a handheld TC. The internal circuitry of that handheld digital gadget would have been black magic in 1960. It would have taken a computer the size of a small file cabinet, or the Apollo landing computer. The digital display would have been Nixie Tubes. Which, I am amazed to discover, you can still buy:


    https://vetco.net/products/in-…git-0-to-9-vertical-mount


    Marvelous things, but not small. Complicated, and hot. You cannot drive them with a handheld battery.

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    As to the rest of your comments; may I ask if you think Team Google has not already considered everything you say and more? I say we give them some credit, and spare them the lectures.


    If anyone is asking for an experiment with a high chance of success, they need a lecture. I have no idea what these people are looking for. You said that. So I guess you need a lecture. Let us have no confusion about this. There is NO EASY WAY to do this.


    Unless Mizuno is right this time, in which case there is!


    That's a bit like asking for a sure-fire, cannot lose, always works cure for cancer.

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    every single product of modern industrial society is immensely complicated by the standards of the past.

    The R20 could have been built with existing technology sixty years ago

    The first R20 derived commercial reactor will be a lot less complicated than the

    first nuclear reactor

    The world's first "commercial nuclear power station", Calder Hall at Windscale, England,

    was opened in 1956 with an initial capacity of 50 MW per reactor (200 MW total),

    The fact that 3KW/300 W input generator made by hand burnishing of mesh is only available

    in 2019 is a testimony to the intensity of the 30years of active suppression

    of LENR R&D.

    Imagine if the thermionic valve manufacturers had suppressed transistor R&D in the fifties.

    for thirty years

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    If anyone is asking for an experiment with a high chance of success, they need a lecture. I have no idea what these people are looking for. You said that. So I guess you need a lecture. Let us have no confusion about this. There is NO EASY WAY to do this.


    Gets a bit busy here sometimes, but in a post above yours I backtracked on what I said about "high chance of success". I admitted making that up on my own, and that the only questions posed us by the GPM, via this thread, is the one in the title, and another in my first post. Everything else stands. Maybe a better way for me to put it, instead of telling Director we should "spare them (Team Google) the lecture" would be to say, give them credit for having thought these things out.

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    Problem with Brillouin is that their "Q Pulse" system is proprietary/secret. Without it, the reaction does not work. They are not going to divulge it either. They need to protect their IP to make themselves attractive to investors. No IP, no money. I would think all the researchers now tied up (except Mizuno) with IH/CP/LENRInvest, or going it alone are holding something back for the same reason

    They never heard about patents?

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    They never heard about patents?



    Patent law is complicated...especially when it comes to LENR. There have probably been 1000's of LENR "applications", but only a few have ever been approved. The vast majority lapse for varrious reasons, and what IP protections are there then? There is a reason why those like IH, and yes...even Rossi hire Patent Attorney's. My guess is that we do not know the half of it.

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    The so called “strange radiation” (SR) also happens in Ohmasa vibration reactors, the MFMP is analyzing the SR marks left in the SS fins and the cavitation marks in the palladium plated SS fins of one of Ohmasa’s reactors used for several months, in the case of the cavitation marks they are analyzing for signals of transmutation.

    This whole "strange radiation" subject is too fringe/crackpot to take seriously for the google researchers. MFMP's reliance on examining pictures by eye for strange looking artifacts is not scientific. I'm sorry to have to mention the following but it is being ignored. Bob Greenyer's recent posts on ecat world about being telepathic or whatever wording he used, along with his o-day nonsense, make him a bad representative for LENR, if we (the Royal we LENR sort of believers) want to remain relevant. MFMP is spoiled at this point by association.

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    This whole "strange radiation" subject is too fringe/crackpot to take seriously for the google researchers. MFMP's reliance on examining pictures by eye for strange looking artifacts is not scientific. I'm sorry to have to mention the following but it is being ignored. Bob Greenyer's recent posts on ecat world about being telepathic or whatever wording he used, along with his o-day nonsense, make him a bad representative for LENR, if we (the Royal we LENR sort of believers) want to remain relevant. MFMP is spoiled at this point by association.

    http://restframe.com/mm/authors/keith-fredericks/


    Keith Fredericks has documents two dozen other researchers that have produce strange radiation... and that is not covering many Russian researchers. I am sure that CAN who has replicated the Alexander Parkhomov woodpecker would find it if he looks.


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    Bob Greenyer's recent posts on ecat world about being telepathic or whatever wording he used, along with his o-day nonsense, make him a bad representative for LENR, if we (the Royal we LENR sort of believers) want to remain relevant. MFMP is spoiled at this point by association.



    In fact we should be fair and try to summarize, WHO is a proper representant for LENR and WHY.

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    If I had to chose today, #1 would be Takahashi's (Technova/Nissan & Tohoku/Kobe/Kyushu/Nagoya Universities) group. One does not have to be skilled in the lab to understand why. They have many on their team, and replicated each other. That is almost as good as a high impact journal peer review. A huge bonus, is that their team requested their work be replicated by others, and put out a rough blueprint to follow. I do believe also, that they would be open to any assistance requested by Team Google? And if it were necessary to keep that assistance quiet, there none better at keeping a secret than the Japanese.


    Then, how could one beat Forsley/Mossier-Boss, and their co-dep work? It has been around for many years, and peer reviewed. So confident are they about their results, they are disseminating a kit as part of the STEM program. Better yet, GEC and NASA are incorporating the system into their hybrid space power generation system. That relationship has been ongoing almost 2 years now, at NASA's Plum Brook station near Cleveland, and it still appears to be progressing along well. How is that for confirmation of it's feasibilty? As with Takahashi; Larry, and Pam would I think be more than happy to help.


    Not knocking Mizuno/Rothwell, but at this point that is an unknown. If Google had to start tomorrow to lay the ground work for the next research project, at least they have two other good choices already in hand.


    But we are still not finished. I am still interested in what Russia has to offer? There has been so much quality research going on there for decades, much of it with positive results. I would think if they took their 3 best, their "list" for Google, would rival our 3. SERGEI ?

    But we are still not finished. I am still interested in what Russia has to offer? There has been so much quality research going on there for decades, much of it with positive results. I would think if they took their 3 best, their "list" for Google, would rival our 3. SERGEI ?


    Dear Shane D.! I expressed my opinion about it in #32:



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    Gentlemen from Google!

    Enough to engage in replication. Over the past 30 years, many cold fusion replications have been made. It is necessary to create design offices that will design and test existing devices for the production of heat, and especially electric energy. The number of these offices should be equal to the number of countries with developed nuclear power, so that cold fusion reactors could be planned to replace nuclear power and recycle accumulated nuclear waste.

    Regards,

    Sergei Tcvetkov.

    The big advantage that Parkomov has over Rossi and the other secretive western capitalists is that Parkhomov will show how his reactor works in detail. This openness must be due to his upbringing as a true scientist and a socialist.

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    The big advantage that Parkomov has over Rossi and the other secretive western capitalists is that Parkhomov will show how his reactor works in detail. This openness must be due to his upbringing as a true scientist and a socialist.



    Did he do it ? In a detail, where replicators were ever able to replicate ? I would have heard of it.

    There is serious doubt on my part as to the validity of parkhomov's data. No one has addressed the varying quantization in the published data. I seem to remember it was temperature quantization that changed and strongly suggested cut & paste with varying scales. I'll look up the data analysis I performed and presented on this forum later this evening.

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