HHO Uruguayan style

I hope this is posted in the right category. Since I stumped on and understood the importance of Ohmasa’s water gas process thanks to the information divulged by MFMP’s project OHMA, I have devoted some time to look for the controversial issue of the so called HHO flame temperature. Is within this context that I found a YouTube Channel that I initially thought was an Argentinian (but is Uruguayan, their accents are very similar in Spanish) that has been doing HHO experiments since more than a decade ago, and has built a seemingly thriving commercial business out of it. Of particular interest are:

His temperature flame tests, which finds a 950 degrees Celsius for pure HHO

His industrial heaters installations, his industrial heater rated at 50000 Kcal/hour that runs on an electrolyzer that produces 30 Liters per minute of HHO per minute with a 6KW/Hour input.

And his genset test apparently running a 2.2 kw generator, with a 1 Kw load of electric heaters, with the gas produced by an electrolyzer of 1.4 Kw of power consumption.

The guy does not say nor advertises as overunity, nor tells this is anything but a clean method for solving heating needs and saving some gasoline/diesel in transport applications (he sells kits for cars, pick ups and load trucks). But in his video comments you can clearly see he is aware of the energy “anomaly” that a look to the numbers imply, but treats it with caution.

Quote from Alan Smith

I am often surprised by the apparent low level of LENR and related activities in the Spanish-speaking world- very pleased to see this, thiugh it has of course little to do with 'classic' cold fusion..

The sad truth Alan is that most people here are struggling to make ends meet than worried about technical matters, and those who are educated "enough", just dismiss this as nonsense. The ocassional local news report of water driven cars has occured, much more since youtube, but most people are financially constrained.

I am somewhat of a tinkerer but since I am completely self reliant for income my time is absorbed mostly for the need of staying above water as a small entrepreneur, economically speaking, so no time for hobby tinkering, just yet.

This Uruguayan is an Industrial Engineer, I have found some background on him, he was inspired by Paul Zigouras. Its a very rare case of someone that was able to make a living out of this.

Of course this is not "Cold Fusion" but, as completely related to Shoulder's Work, probably much more related than what it appears to be.

Quote from Max Nozin

Curbina is the oil heater a good load for experiments? If the feed is less than nominal would it still turn on? Another kid of load is an array of incandescent lamps claim to be as bright as it always is.

How is 900C claim supports BG's <200 claims for OHMASA gas?

I would not know with exactitude, AFAIK an oleo electric heater will work at max output if started cold until it reaches the setting. But there’s no way to gather that from the video, nor is the objective of the video to show proof of overunity, just intended to show HHO can run a generator with a load attached. The author of the video doesn’t claim OU, just intended to show his HHO running a genset.

The 900 Celsius is far higher than reported by the MFMP for Ohmasa’s but you notice that is measured at the tip of the flame so to not destroy the pyrometer, which would happen if placed close to the nozzle.

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Curbina all I see is that BG is getting very close to replicating Hutchinson's strange collectible artifacts which he keeps on selling on ebay while saving the world's crisises afterhours.

Is an interesting subject, I think is related to LENR at the bottom, but this will be debated ad nauseam until we figure out more from the scientific point of view.

I do not give credence to the claims, this subject interests me for very practical purposes and it happens to be related to the work of Kenneth Shoulders also, so it has a relationship with LENR even if not fully recognized.

Quote from Max Nozin

Curbina why don't just loop genset and hho generator?

Once you review the numbers involved you realize a genset is not a good candidate because of the low efficiency. It would take a turbine system to close the loop and power a load if the content of energy in the HHO is as claimed (3 to 5x). Anyway, and again, this is not the aim of this post.

Quote from Max Nozin

Curbina why don't just loop genset and hho generator?

I had forgot to come back here, I got in touch with the maker of the videos, we have been exchanging emails for a while now. He says running in close loop is something he has done but, it requires generators with an automatic advance timing adjustment system, and second but, and as everyone who is aware of the EVO-LENR connection suspects, it ends destroying the motor of the generator, which can be avoided by mixing the HHO with a small amount of LPG, which still results in great economy for energy production. I think that the only work around is by using turbine generators that would possibly handle better the destructive nature of HHO flame on metals.

Well, just to be clear, the loop back is possible but the motor does not last long doing that. The LPG is used to avoid this but the economy is greatly enhanced anyway.

Quote from Alan Smith

You can't just add LPG - the inventor must be using an LPG/air mix. If you added only methane there would not be enough oxygen for it to burn the HHO- the hot anoxic mix caused by adding might end up producing some rather horrid carboxyl compounds.

Indeed, it requires air, otherwise I does not work.