Be sure you do not expose the heavy water to air. It is hygroscopic. It will degrade in purity just from the air in the bottle, and if you leave the top off, that will happen quickly. Bockris and others used IV bags to store it, as I recall.
Good pont jed, but happily the hydrogen generator is a sealed system.
Hi Matt welcome to the LENR world - my PhD was in Biophysics from UCL and I knew many researchers from Imperial before I retired and have now an active interest in LENR (a background I share with Piantelli who is also a biophysicist). Good to see younger researchers taking an interest especially at a time when Nature has published such a negative report from TG - why can't they read some of the most recent NASA reports (P.Mosier Boss & Forsling most recent J CMNS) actually using co-deposited Pd and D electrolysis to generate neutrons which they then drive a U fission process with? The basis of a fusion fission reactor for space exploration. Then there's all the transmutation data etc too which when you add it all up there can be no doubt that the reactions underlying LENR must be real. I'm particularly interested in Holmlid's ultra dense D/H (UDD/H) work, whether this is analogous to R.Mills Hydrino etc - the real mystery is why there is a background spontaneous level of mesons released from UDD which is enhanced by laser stimulation. Solving this one may be central to all LENR work since the only realistic cold fusion reaction ever clearly characterized is the negative muon catalysed process. All the other theories, e-capture, electron clustering, e-screening, lattice energy, EVO's etc may all play a peripheral role to the one central cold fusion muon catalysed fusion mechanism which I think underlies all LENR. Just need to find the evidence/or disprove the theory as the case may be.
Thanks for the warm welcome Dr Richard 
Good pont jed, but happily the hydrogen generator is a sealed system.
The hydrogen generator may be sealed, but heavy water left in storage in the bottle might be contaminated with air. It will attract ordinary water and the purity will decline. Some air will get in, of course.
Be sure you do not expose the heavy water to air. It is hygroscopic. It will degrade in purity just from the air in the bottle, and if you leave the top off, that will happen quickly. Bockris and others used IV bags to store it, as I recall.
Thanks JedRothwell - I will certainly be careful with how I store this most precious of liquids Look forward to seeing you at ICCF-22
Display MoreHi Everyone 👋, I'm Matt Lilley of CasualPhysics.
Firstly, thanks so much David for sharing my GoFundMe page - I really appreciate the extra exposure. Thanks also for those taking the time to engage on this thread - I appreciate your attention and fully understand that you have questions.
Perhaps some extra information will be helpful.
I'll start with directly addressing your main question of why I need 2L of heavy water (I appreciate that it's a lot). In short, I am making my hydrogen as I need it using this hydrogen generator and it requires a minimum of 1.5L of water to work. The reason I'm using a generator rather than a small lecture bottle filled with gas is for safety reasons - using a generator means I'm never storing any hydrogen in my flat. I have ambitions to get my own lab space but this is unfortunately way outside what I can afford myself at this stage - maybe they'll be people at ICCF-22 who can help with that.
Next, the question of openness. I have a very strong belief that the only way LENR will achieve its full potential is through an open-source approach. If you read my two page primer at https://cor.energy/ (after the vision section) hopefully you'll get a sense of that. Open source hardware is a challenge, but Arduino has shown it can be done, so I'm hopeful that we can do the same with LENR. I apologise for the minimal state of my cor.energy website - it is not my intention to be secretive, it's just a matter of human resource...it's just me at the moment and I've got to be ruthless about what I prioritise. I am currently in the process of migrating my blog to a public GitHub repository. This will allow me to store ideas, progress, code, data, etc, and get real time feedback from the community and have a space for more formal open peer review.....all in one place. This is not supposed to be a competitor to the established LENR forum - but more of an experiment to see the role GitHub might play in open research.
Now for some more general information about me and my background.
I am a physicist. I spent the first 10 years of my professional life doing hot fusion research. I got my PhD at Imperial College London (2005 - 2009), working closely with the UK's national fusion lab CCFE. I spent some time overseas - Sweden for my postdoc, I collaborated with labs in California and Austin Texas. It was during my fellowship back at Imperial, when I was in control of my own research budget, that I became really interested in alternative fusion ideas, e.g. polywell, the penning trap, galateas, and when I got involved with the UK's first fusion startup Tokamak Energy. We submitted a joint proposal together to bring a £1.6M device they built into Imperial College to do some research. Its rejection was a clear signal to me that doing genuinely novel fusion research was going to be extremely difficult inside an academic context.
So, a couple of friends and I set out to become self funded researchers. We decided to makes apps - because that's what everyone was doing back in 2014. I didn't make billions, but I learnt a lot during that process, mainly about what not to do in projects. e.g. I learnt that ideas are cheap and execution is the hard part, don't hold onto your ideas for too long…because they might be bad and you need to know that, and premature optimisation is the devil! I also learnt to code (we had to build everything ourselves). Along with my background in teaching from academia and private tutoring, my coding skills helped get me some part time work teaching people about technology.
That was the start of 2017. At that time I was fully aware of LENR and had already done a mini pitch with my friends back in 2016 to try and raise some money to set up a lab. I was not however living and breathing LENR day to day. From the start of 2017 to today it's been a process of gradually carving out more time for LENR. It started with taking off 1 day per week from paid work and using the other 4 days to pay the bills and then at the start of 2019 I was fortunate to be in a position to work 2 weeks out of energy 4 on LENR and the other 2 paying the bills. Now that I have more time, I've been able to push forward on my own experiment and at the same time build my network in the LENR community (people like Alan Smith and Ed Storms have been invaluable to me) and try and generate LENR interest in the public realm.
Going forwards, it is my intention to raise money and build a team to pursue multiple LENR approaches in parallel - nature is leaving pieces of the puzzle in many places and we need to go gather them all up if we are to have any hope of seeing the whole picture.
Thanks again for your time and attention and for considering supporting my heavy water purchase 🙏
Hi matt, pretty impressive and also brave. We cannot help with heavy water, but we could help with stainless steel machining / welding, MACOR machining or 3D CAD modelling. I am a mechatronics engineer and work as a teacher at a technical vocational school in Austria. We already did some work for Lenr cars SA in Switzerland. You can send me a private conversation, if you are interested
Looking at Matt's graph, it seems to me that hydrogen was inserted before the "baseline" got stabilized... Doesn't that just void the whole experiment?
Or was there a distinct control run to get the baseline?
That's right John - I should have probably waited another hour or two for the baseline to stabilise....a learning for next time. I don't think it voids the whole experiment though - it just means that there is more uncertainty in those early times when I initially put the hydrogen in.
I've not done control experiments yet - I was too excited to just try something out :-). These control experiments are on my agenda, but as I said in the video the temperature increase I saw didn't strike me as compelling so I've not rushed to do them.
Well Matt, just read your answer to my comment to your YT video. I just wrote it there on the rush of the moment but this is surely a much better place for comments.
I understand you did this as an exploratory experiment and I commend you for your hands on approach. I wonder if you read the comments made in the Mizuno Replication thread about the annealing of the palladium rod for making it softer and avoid it scrubbing Nickel off the mesh (which was a problem some replicators reported). I think that what Edmund Storms recommends is precisely going to have the same effect.
But allow me to back to mention that is not only the palladium that needs to be free from oxydes but also the Nickel, and that’s what has been known since Thomas Graham did his hydrogen diffusion experiments, and that has also been mentioned as a key part of successful experiments, at least that I know of, by Piantelli, Parkhomov and Mizuno himself.
Looking at Matt's graph, it seems to me that hydrogen was inserted before the "baseline" got stabilized... Doesn't that just void the whole experiment?
The pressure is also missing in the graph. We don't know what was in the reactor before hydrogen H/D ?? was added. Of course the hydrogen atmosphere behaves quite different from a regular atmosphere as hydrogen is not a "normal" gas!
Curbina - thanks for messaging, I appreciate having the opportunity for discussion.
I did follow the comments about annealing and I did actually try this in my experiment (although I didn't report it in my video - you can see all the details here https://gitlab.com/mklilley/lenr/issues/1). Once I annealed, I got a purple layer which I subsequently sanded off. From my chats with Ed, I now think that this palladium oxide layer is actually what I want to rub onto the nickel. Apparently, it is easily reduced by hydrogen and will form a nice fresh Pd layer free of contamination and therefore ready to accept hydrogen.
Regarding the nickel oxides - isn't the idea that burnishing will physically remove the oxide and allow the palladium to make a direct contact with the nickel?
Wyttenbach Hi. There was nothing else inside the reactor, I vacuumed out all the air. See
Curbina - thanks for messaging, I appreciate having the opportunity for discussion.
I did follow the comments about annealing and I did actually try this in my experiment (although I didn't report it in my video - you can see all the details here https://gitlab.com/mklilley/lenr/issues/1). Once I annealed, I got a purple layer which I subsequently sanded off. From my chats with Ed, I now think that this palladium oxide layer is actually what I want to rub onto the nickel. Apparently, it is easily reduced by hydrogen and will form a nice fresh Pd layer free of contamination and therefore ready to accept hydrogen.
Regarding the nickel oxides - isn't the idea that burnishing will physically remove the oxide and allow the palladium to make a direct contact with the nickel?
It is one of the hypothesis, indeed, but Ni-H systems have worked without Palladium if one credits Piantelli, Focardi and Parkhomov.
It is one of the hypothesis, indeed, but Ni-H systems have worked without Palladium if one credits Piantelli, Focardi and Parkhomov.
Nowhere near as well, judging from the results reported by Patterson, Takahashi and Mizuno. Multilayer metals with Ni and something else -- especially Pd -- seem to work best. Ni - Cu - Ni - Cu seems to work, which surprises me.
Nowhere near as well, judging from the results reported by Patterson, Takahashi and Mizuno. Multilayer metals with Ni and something else -- especially Pd -- seem to work best. Ni - Cu - Ni - Cu seems to work, which surprises me.
Yes, Thanks for bringing this up, I just am talking in the context of what Matt did in his exploration with Ni mesh rubbed with palladium and in a chamber with Hydrogen that showed no clear excess heat, all this done along the way to prepare for a Mizuno Analogue.
QuoteBe sure you do not expose the heavy water to air. It is hygroscopic. It will degrade in purity just from the air in the bottle, and if you leave the top off, that will happen quickly. Bockris and others used IV bags to store it, as I recall. Good pont jed, but happily the hydrogen generator is a sealed system.
How much KOH this smart young guy is going to add into his heavy water before electrolysis?
None. We use LiOD
Are you sure? A lie has no legs, they say...
Don't call me a liar so lightly -even by inference. Your ignorance is showing. Every comment you have made about this so far has been provably wrong. My advice is to give up while you are behind. The comments above refer to making hydrogen- not Deuterium.
So what is your source, actually?
