The "problem" of excess energy in cavitation heating commercial products

  • Another company commercializing cavitation based systems for heating, again making no claims express or implied about "overunity" but of unespecified high efficiency of conversion of electrical power to heat fluids.


    http://ctsystems.ua/?page_id=16

    I certainly Hope to see LENR helping humans to blossom, and I'm here to help it happen.

  • Another company commercializing cavitation based systems for heating, again making no claims express or implied about "overunity" but of unespecified high efficiency of conversion of electrical power to heat fluids.


    http://ctsystems.ua/?page_id=16

    Cavitation seems to form a micro plasma splitting hydrogen and oxygen for a split second. IDK but seems like little temporary hydrogen condensing plasma environments can persist just long enough to at least break even. The rotational hydrodynamic friction would then be converted directly into heat assisted by small amounts of dense hydrides .

  • IMO release of free energy during cavitation doesn't require plasma formation. It's just process during which the heat of fluid gets converted to mechanical energy. The formation of small bubbles requires overcoming of activation energy, because due to surface tension the pressure inside small bubbles gets higher than in the large ones: it's thus typical negentropic process during which the thermodynamic time arrow get reversed. But once the bubble expands, then energy density of final state gets lower than energy density of initial state, the potential energy curve thus changes its slope during it.


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  • IMO release of free energy during cavitation doesn't require plasma formation. It's just process during which the heat of fluid gets converted to mechanical energy. The formation of small bubbles requires overcoming of activation energy, because due to surface tension the pressure inside small bubbles gets higher than in the large ones: it's thus typical negentropic process during which the thermodynamic time arrow get reversed. But once the bubble expands, then energy density of final state gets lower than energy density of initial state, the potential energy curve thus changes its slope during it.


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    This isn't free energy. That's a good diagram for exothermic reactions though.

    The cavititation (=sono fusion) we know/discuss here of R.Stringham verifiable produces 4-He out of Heavy water. Of course this is also free energy!

    And this is closer to it! It's either fusion or could also be *D2(1/4) or dense deuteride catalysed condensation.

  • I'm talking about free energy released during much milder conditions: like cavitation, Kinetic Power Plant (KPP®) of Rosch Innovations Ltd. - or even simple hydraulic ram. In this connection it was observed, that during underwater explosions a more energy gets released, than it has been used during input. My explanation is, that only portion of kinetic energy of water molecules manifests itself as a heat and temperature. For these irregular and heavily polymerized molecules of water a substantial portion of kinetic energy remains hidden inside of their rotational motion - not just translational one. So that when pressure wave forces molecules to orient itself temporarily, this energy gets released and it can be utilized for macroscopic work. Immediately thereafter the molecules will start to rotate again, being kicked by their mutual impacts, so that rotational energy of molecules will get replenished into account of this translational one: and the liquid will cool itself, thus violating II. law of thermodynamics.


    In this regard is significant, that the secret of Rosch generator is said to be in formation of very small droplets. Just these droplets exhibit highest internal pressure due to surface tension, so that their formation is followed by tiny pressure wave, which spreads around them - and you already know the rest.

  • I'm talking about free energy released during much milder conditions: like cavitation, Kinetic Power Plant (KPP®) of Rosch Innovations Ltd. - or even simple hydraulic ram. In this connection it was observed, that during underwater explosions a more energy gets released, than it has been used during input. My explanation is, that only portion of kinetic energy of water molecules manifests itself as a heat and temperature. For these irregular and heavily polymerized molecules of water a substantial portion of kinetic energy remains hidden inside of their rotational motion - not just translational one. So that when pressure wave forces molecules to orient itself temporarily, this energy gets released and it can be utilized for macroscopic work. Immediately thereafter the molecules will start to rotate again, being kicked by their mutual impacts, so that rotational energy of molecules will get replenished into account of this translational one: and the liquid will cool itself, thus violating II. law of thermodynamics.


    In this regard is significant, that the secret of Rosch generator is said to be in formation of very small droplets. Just these droplets exhibit highest internal pressure due to surface tension, so that their formation is followed by tiny pressure wave, which spreads around them - and you already know the rest.

    What is the source of energetic potencial?

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    What is the source of energetic potencial?


    Sucking heat from environment like rectenna looks as most palatable explanation in this moment. See also: Does Searl generator cool environment around itself?


    In dense aether model space-time is multidimensional and hierarchical and the energy - while still being less or more conserved - can pass from one set of extradimensions to another one less or more freely. Two main regimes of radiation energy transfer exist there: longitudinal and transverse waves and they may not always run synchronously due to symmetry breaking. In condensed phase the energy in hidden momentum space gets replenished from another momentum space, i.e. the matter can cool itself while radiating energy low-dimensionally. But at the scale of atom orbital this energy gets replenished from vacuum fluctuations, i.e. its the quantum vacuum which cool itself there. The process most analogous to mainstream physics there is Hawking radiation.

  • Most of an atom is empty space and distributed "force fields". The existance of theoretically extractable vacuum energy or environmental heat doesn't rule out a pico-scale change in charged particle distancing, an electromagnetic matter condensing reaction. Technically the vacuum with the most usable energy is the one surrounding every atomic nucleus within the outermost electron shell. The key it seems is atleast some atomic hydrogen, the result is light.


    Couldn't hydrogen enabled matter condensation enabled by the cavitation and water work? Still baffles me why one would choose this description solely when there is electromagnetic potencial energy in between all atomic and sub atomic charged particles, this isn't controversial. If the matter can be catalysed or burned to a lower energy state that is metastable, energy is released proportional to that interaction. This situation doesn't have to result in a tightly bound nucleus or breaking and spraying of nuclear particles.

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    Couldn't hydrogen enabled matter condensation enabled by the cavitation and water work?


    Yes, I already created a thread about it. But once Kinetic Power Plant (KPP®) of Rosch is working too, then we should look at source of energy somewhere else, because energy density involved is too low for splitting of water into hydrogen. In dense aether model bubbles are condensate of more dense environment (fluid), the same applies for atoms and atom nuclei (vacuum is superfluid). The common underlying theory of overunity therefore is, excess of energy results from this more dense environment (where portion of energy gets somehow rectified on low-dimensional structure and concentrated) - whereas the rest of environment gets cooled instead. It's thus not quite energy from nothing - just breaking of symmetry between energy concentration and dissipation. Hot vacuum is this one rich of scalar, i.e. longitudinal waves, like dark matter, gluons and/or Casimir vacuum at proximity of massive bodies, whereas cold vacuum is those with excess of transverse waves, like gravitational lenses around massive objects.


    The negentropic effects aren't so rare in nature: one theory of rogue waves can be inspiration here: these waves can grow into account of energy of their environment, i.e. one wave "steals" an energy from surrounding waves and it grows at their expense. Note that in my theory cold fusion is also initiated by rogue solitons formed along long rows of colliding atoms, where energy gets accidentally concentrated by Astroblaster (lattice Mossbauer) effect.