The church of SM physics

Here's a little something more about light interacting with light.

"groups of three photons interacting and, in effect, sticking together to form a completely new kind of photonic matter"

"the researchers found that the bound photons actually acquired a fraction of an electron’s mass. These newly weighed-down light particles were also relatively sluggish, traveling about 100,000 times slower than normal noninteracting photons"

Here's the article:

http://news.mit.edu/2018/physi…reate-new-form-light-0215

and the corresponding paper

https://www.rle.mit.edu/eapg/w…_3_Photon_bound_state.pdf

Quote from Navid

Mills says that two oppositely circular polarized photons (w/ at least 511keV) superimpose to strike a proton. This results - in his theory - for a volume of space creating the "transition state orbitosphere" where matter and energy are indistinguishable -- space is ringing at its resonant frequency -- interestingly the TSO is made a R= 1/alpha *a0 (bohr radius) . This goes on to make a free electron and positron.

Thus, via the proton collision the linear momentum of the photons is conserved. What do you make of this? Do you have evidence that matter is not involved?

And you say that photons interfere with themeselves, but what do you make of Mills argument that "photons cannot be created or destroyed by superimposing. If this were true, it would be possible to cool a room with illumination. Constructive and deconstructive interference violatest the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics."

I liked your comment but I'm not sure what a transition orbit sphere is. Haven't heard this concept elaborated.

Quote from uncertainH

Here's a little something more about light interacting with light.

"groups of three photons interacting and, in effect, sticking together to form a completely new kind of photonic matter"

"the researchers found that the bound photons actually acquired a fraction of an electron’s mass. These newly weighed-down light particles were also relatively sluggish, traveling about 100,000 times slower than normal noninteracting photons"

Here's the article:

http://news.mit.edu/2018/physi…reate-new-form-light-0215

and the corresponding paper

https://www.rle.mit.edu/eapg/w…_3_Photon_bound_state.pdf

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That sounds like an incomplete gamma-gamma pair production. If the interacting photons were traveling 100,000 times slower, it sounds as if they're looping somehow. Maybe moving in a helical fashion.

I don't know if you know, but if you slow down a photon to a little less than c, some of the photon energy is exhibited as effective mass. Then if you slow it down to zero by making it loop round a closed path, all of the photon energy is exhibited as effective mass. This is the photon in the mirror-box thing as described in https://arxiv.org/abs/1508.06478. A mirror-box containing a photon is harder to get moving than a mirror box containing no photon, because you have to change the photon's path. I think the wave nature of matter plus things like pair production and annihilation and electron spin make it clear that the electron is a 511keV photon in a box of it's own making, and mass is just resistance to change-in-motion for a wave in a closed path.

Quote from JohnDuffield

That sounds like an incomplete gamma-gamma pair production. If the interacting photons were traveling 100,000 times slower, it sounds as if they're looping somehow. Maybe moving in a helical fashion.

I don't know if you know, but if you slow down a photon to a little less than c, some of the photon energy is exhibited as effective mass. Then if you slow it down to zero by making it loop round a closed path, all of the photon energy is exhibited as effective mass. This is the photon in the mirror-box thing as described in https://arxiv.org/abs/1508.06478. A mirror-box containing a photon is harder to get moving than a mirror box containing no photon, because you have to change the photon's path. I think the wave nature of matter plus things like pair production and annihilation and electron spin make it clear that the electron is a 511keV photon in a box of it's own making, and mass is just resistance to change-in-motion for a wave in a closed path.

This makes sense. In the models where an atom has structure and isn't composed of probability clouds of points (even if just for engineering and applied technology) how does this work. An electron orbitsphere or toroidal feild as a more accurate possible representation would work with these same principles?!

Quote from LeBob

This makes sense. In the models where an atom has structure and isn't composed of probability clouds of points (even if just for engineering and applied technology) how does this work. An electron orbitsphere or toroidal feild as a more accurate possible representation would work with these same principles?!

An electron is an electromagnetic wave in a closed path which sits around a proton to form a hydrogen atom. Think of the electron as something like a hula hoop of light. It goes around the proton, but it isn't some speck that goes around it like a planet round the sun. And it isn't stiff. If it interacts with an incident photon some or all of the photon is kind of sliced off and becomes part of the electron, which is then no longer symmetrical. So it moves. But it's still wrapped around the proton, so the orbital changes. I tried to describe the electron here. To make an electron you "wrap" a 511keV photon into a double-loop trivial-knot configuration where the minimum and maximum field variation combine, along with all points between, to form a spin ½ standing-wave "spinor" with a standing field:

Strip images by me, GNUFDL spinor image by Slawkb, see Wikipedia

Only the electron isn't a flat strip. Inflate the strip to a twisted torus then inflate that to a spindle sphere torus to get the right geometry. Only then you have to remember that the the spindle-sphere torus is something like the eye of the storm. It's the central portion of the electron, that's all. There is no billiard-ball thing in the middle that has a field. The electron is field.

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Gifs courtesy of Adrian Rossiter’s torus animations, S-orbital image from the 2010 Encyclopaedia Britannica

Quote from JohnDuffield

An electron is an electromagnetic wave in a closed path which sits around a proton to form a hydrogen atom. Think of the electron as something like a hula hoop of light. It goes around the proton, but it isn't some speck that goes around it like a planet round the sun. And it isn't stiff. If it interacts with an incident photon some or all of the photon is kind of sliced off and becomes part of the electron, which is then no longer symmetrical. So it moves. But it's still wrapped around the proton, so the orbital changes. I tried to describe the electron here. To make an electron you "wrap" a 511keV photon into a double-loop trivial-knot configuration where the minimum and maximum field variation combine, along with all points between, to form a spin ½ standing-wave "spinor" with a standing field:

Strip images by me, GNUFDL spinor image by Slawkb, see Wikipedia

Only the electron isn't a flat strip. Inflate the strip to a twisted torus then inflate that to a spindle sphere torus to get the right geometry. Only then you have to remember that the the spindle-sphere torus is something like the eye of the storm. It's the central portion of the electron, that's all. There is no billiard-ball thing in the middle that has a field. The electron is field.

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Gifs courtesy of Adrian Rossiter’s torus animations, S-orbital image from the 2010 Encyclopaedia Britannica

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Much thanks! Resonant energy transfers, shrinking hydrogen orbits, shrunken hydrogen orbiting inside certain metals and such are possible. If only this was what is in standard textbooks.

Thanks Bob. Amazingly, this sort of stuff goes back nearly two hundred years. I wrote something about it in an article called A worble embracing itself. It starts like this:

See the 2014 essay on the fluid dynamics of James Clerk Maxwell by Henry Keith Moffat. He referred to Maxwell’s 1867 letter to Peter Guthrie Tait. That’s where Maxwell said the simplest indivisible whorl “is either two embracing worbles or a worble embracing itself”. A worble embracing itself has a ring to it. I think it’s one of the secrets of the universe myself. Because John Williamson and Martin van der Mark were talking about something similar in their 1997 paper Is the electron a photon with toroidal topology?

Toroidal electron image by John Williamson and Martin van der Mark

Quote from Alan Smith

Wyttenbachjust posted an update...

The proton, electron structure, its resonances and fusion products (NPP2.2)

: Three years ago the author started a ground zero search for the basic laws of nature

that are responsible for the formation of dense nuclear mass.

The motivation behind this task was the fact that form 90 years physics has failed in explaining the fundamental relations

between masses and other first order
quantities like magnetic moment, charge and magnetic radius.

The belief that mass and its structure can be understood at high energies only has led to a model[1]

that looks like a stamp collection,

that is of contemplative value only

At least Dimitri Mendeleev's stamp collection was based on masses..in 1869

The Standard Model in 2020 fails to explain masses..or be based on mass..

You should try and publish all this new work if you can find the time, submit it to a few journals?

Quote from Dr Richard

You should try and publish all this new work if you can find the time, submit it to a few journals?

Jürg Wyttenbach shares his works at Researchgate

(requires a free account to access papers).

Another novel theory..on vixra.

From Belgium... JeanPaul

"The mass, radius, and magnetic moment of protons and electrons"

"

This model further builds on older ring current and/or Zitterbewegung models for an electron

and, hence, we will also highlight those results when relevant."

https://vixra.org/pdf/2001.0685v8.pdf

The ring currents resemble those of some other new ,non SM theories..

Jean Paul has problems explaining the sqrt2 factor, .. perhaps he needs a new dimension

Jean has 54 papers on Vixra..since 2017.. .lots of reading..

this is from one of them.

"As a young man, looking at study options, I once had a discussion with an engineer – and, yes, it was a

discussion on quantum physics, the stuff that has fascinated me all of my life, and will continue to do so

.
He was a smart, cultured and sophisticated man. He told me he and most, if not all, of his fellow
students had been attracted by the same, but they all ended going through the motions only when
studying quantum physics: they would regurgitate the models and equations, and know how to solve
the standard problems, but then forget about it as soon as possible.

I will never forget his intuitive conclusion on the subject-matter: he told me he instinctively felt the wavefunction

was like a ‘flat’object, so it couldn’t do the trick. What he meant to say was that, as a mathematical object, it has two
degrees of freedom only: a ‘real’ and an ‘imaginary’ dimension – both of which are, obviously, equally
real – or equally necessary in the description, I would say.

Quote from Wyttenbach

50 Billions (CERN, SLAC etc...)

CERN is in virtual mode and SLAC is in #stayhome mode..

for a few months..

https://emergency.slac.stanford.edu/coronavirus

https://hse.cern/news-article/…nd-recommendations#stages

Perhaps there is opportunity for online education on

"thinking outside the Standard Model"

or "SO(4).. an alternative to the 3d,t framework"..

Thanks to Stoyan for reminding us of the Lambshift

It would be nice if Stoyan or anybody could show

the mathematical calculation according to their theory

of the Lamb shifts.. for the isotopes H1.... Li7

The current H1 lambshift cannot be accounted for by only QED

according to Julian Krauth,.

https://edoc.ub.uni-muenchen.de/20722/1/Krauth_Julian.pdf

According to Stoyan.. the changes from H to He and Li 6/7 are due to proton and neutron additions