The church of SM physics

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More on these alkali rydberg clusters! I don't see much on that.

An extended discussion is probably worth a separate thread, but I think its apparent transmutation effect on materials it comes in contact with might be more related to its extreme properties as very low density condensed matter, at least when in highly excited form. While in those experiments a work function of <0.7 eV was measured, from theory it could get down to 0.1 eV or less. The thermionic current density of surfaces with such work function could be enormous even at room temperature, in the order of 1 megaampere/cm².

Other strange effects and changes in the affected materials would also likely occur. For example, their tendency to lose electrons could become so high that they might not be able to remain bonded together and may turn into plasma or slowly evaporate at room temperature, or become extremely reactive.

I don't think all of this would be usually observed however, as after formation alkali Rydberg matter clusters will spontaneously de-excite to energy levels where several of their properties will be much less exaggerated.

Like the core of the earth,it would be funny if after all this time it turned out the core is cold but the surface is some miles out being agitated... releasing energy and heat, but that would make us atop a humongous volcano.

Quote from DnG

but that would make us atop a humongous volcano.

Remake of the 1951 movie.. blew Hawaii.

in Auckland New Zealand

If geothermal heat comes from the slow decay of U and Th and K

it is difficult to explain volcanic outbursts

.. on the other hand if there is some contribution from H/D fusion as

magma contacts water then volcanic outbursts are easy to explain..

At this point the news reports it as lightning up from the ground starting all the fires but....

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At this point the news reports it as lightning up from the ground starting all the fires but....

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If this is true... intriguing.

Its going to take time but it should be helpful to see how all this works.

What I like about the paper in general is that it takes empirical scattering data - which QM is good at - to a new level of precision, in order to come to grips with a new physical model, which QM is clearly abysmal at. It beats conventional QM at its own game to derive something better, that's the goal anyway.

The "unexpectedly long ranch physics" rings a bell, or is that my imagination

Quote from Mark U

What I like about the paper in general is that it takes empirical scattering data - which QM is good at - to a new level of precision, in order to come to grips with a new physical model, which QM is clearly abysmal at. It beats conventional QM at its own game to derive something better, that's the goal anyway.

The "unexpectedly long ranch physics" rings a bell, or is that my imagination

*long range 😇

Quote from Alan Smith

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2008.05887.pdf

"Tunneling through the barrier is impossible since the number exp(−10⁸) does not exist in nature. Therefore there is the only possibility of creation of anomalous states: to excite them over the barrier top

by some external radiation in the MeV energy range."

Looks like a correlation with the recent NASA pubication, indicating that an external trigger is required to start fusion/transmutation reactions.

Quote from Rob Woudenberg

indicating that an external trigger is required to start fusion/transmutation reactions.

the size and nature of the trigger vary according to presumptions on the nature of particle bonds

in addition the isotope mix and structure of the material will influence the nature/size of the trigger.

in NASAs publications they are talking about a kinetic trigger of many kevs..

It may well be that high kinetic energies can trigger a few fusion cascades..

However in Mizuno's reactors it seems that thermal heating is enough to trigger higher activites.

it is the preparation of the correct mix of isotopes that allows this heating to be effective.

As Wyttenbach has stated , laserlight of a few ev appears to have triggered the cracking of protons into kaons pions

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I still would like to understand the correlations of these effects on 'bare Ultra Dense Hydrogen' and Hydrogen that is located in metal lattices.

My intuition says that Hydrogen stored in metal lattices also forms local clusters of Ultra Dense Hydrogen within these lattices. I did not yet find any confirmation however.

Quote from Rob Woudenberg

I still would like to understand the correlations of these effects on 'bare Ultra Dense Hydrogen' and Hydrogen that is located in metal lattices.

My intuition says that Hydrogen stored in metal lattices also forms local clusters of Ultra Dense Hydrogen within theses lattices. I did not yet find any confirmation however.

Check out https://www.researchgate.net/p…onfinement_fusion_targets

and related papers and presentations by G. Miley and M. Prelas et al:

• https://mospace.umsystem.edu/x…nClustersPresentation.pdf
• https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MileyGHlenrreacti.pdf
• https://www.lenr-canr.org/acro…Pjcondensedl.pdf#page=244
• etc.

I have no idea about their current work, however.

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Check out https://www.researchgate.net/p…onfinement_fusion_targets

and related papers and presentations by G. Miley and M. Prelas et al:

• https://mospace.umsystem.edu/x…nClustersPresentation.pdf
• https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MileyGHlenrreacti.pdf
• https://www.lenr-canr.org/acro…Pjcondensedl.pdf#page=244
• etc.

I have no idea about their current work, however.

Thanks can this clarifies a bit.
These publications mainly speak of concentrations of condensed hydrogen (or UDH/UDD) at the surfact of metals in defected lattice locations. Oxides may play a role in forming UDH/UDD, you mentioned that earlier and is mentioned here in these papers.
This may be different from NASA's work that seems to apply Deuterium absorption into metal lattices.

The question therefore is: are there two different fusion mechanisms in these cases?
Let me call them 'NASA mechanism' and 'Ultra Dense Hydrogen mechanism'.

The 'NASA mechanism' looks more related to the general term 'LENR', while UDH mechanism is more related to energy generation caused by triggering UDD/UDH (which Holmlid doen not want to relate to LENR). In the case of Mizuno (but also other researchers) both mechanisms may apply, which makes it very complex.

Rob Woudenberg

I haven't read much in detail about NASA's work. On a very quick look it looks as if they're using a gamma ray beam to rapidly unload deuterium from ErD2. In principle it could be similar to the TiD2 shock experiments, which could generated large amounts of neutrons, like the Hora–Miley–Prelas' presentation that I linked above reports.