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Yup. It has been a somewhat right-wing organization for a long time. It opposed Medicare and Medicaid and it was lukewarm or opposed to Obamacare.

Still, the Journal of the AMA has a lot of credibility, on par with NEJM.

Al test I got you to read something that is not the far left

the two types of deceit, one is to get you to look around and see if we have been down this road before the other is to tell you what to think by removing it.

seems the mask discussion was settled in 1911

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Al test I got you to read something that is not the far left

JAMA and the NEJM are apolitical, as are most reputable scientific journals and magazine. They engage in academic politics, but not so much in national politics. Academic politics mean, for example, their opposition to cold fusion since 1989, and their opposition to neural networks during the "AI winter" era, when talking about neural networks would get you fired. (Whereas multilayer neural networks are the main basis of today's successful AI in things like Google's translation program.)

This year Sci. Am. and Nature endorsed Biden. Sci. Am. has never endorsed a candidate before in their 175 year history, but this is an extreme situation. Trump, more than any president in U.S. history, has made himself the enemy of science.

https://www.scientificamerican…ican-endorses-joe-biden1/

It is remarkable looking at comments by presidents going back to George Washington how supportive they were of science. In his first State of the Union message he told the Congress:

". . . there is nothing, which can better deserve your patronage, than the promotion of Science and Literature. Knowledge is in every Country the surest basis of public happiness. In one, in which the measures of Government recieve their impression so immediately from the sense of the Community as in our’s, it is proportionably essential."

https://www.mountvernon.org/ed…ate-of-the-union-address/

incentives corrupt.

Quote from JedRothwell

I suppose some sort of license would have to be issued to people who have been vaccinated or have recovered and have antibodies.

I would also opt for a licence to talk nonsense...

Or you may join the Swiss death singers : https://www.faz.net/aktuell/po…der-schweiz-17009762.html

Yodel yodelio the Swiss Trump's music that infected about 600 person...

The long term cardiovascular findings @Jed Rothwell reported, especially on the myocardium of the heart is very worrying and might account for 'long COVID' in which patients are debilitated for months without any appreciable recovery. It suggests the SARS-2 virus has the ability to linger for long periods in the body, rather like HIV. So this is a different ball park-the only real defence against it is not to catch it in the first place, all the anti-viral drugs I suggested for Anti-Bat would have to be taken continuously to combat the virus rather like with HIV patients continuously taking anti-HIV medication. From the first signs of illness ie fever, dry cough and the loss of taste or smell.

Meanwhile, Chinese forces are massing on the coast opposite Taiwan seemingly about to resolve their age-old claim to the island, and secondly Chinese diplomats beat up a Taiwanese diplomat in Java and claimed diplomatic immunity so they couldn't be prosecuted. (BBC radio 4 report today) Similar skirmishes have been occurring on the China-India border. So it looks like we are all heading for WW111, and soon we will have much more to worry about especially if DT, Xi, Kim and Putin become trigger happy with their nuclear arsenals. Mind you, all that gamma radiation would certainly kill this virus!!!!!!!

Exactly-fake news everywhere-the Chinese are probably mass prescribing Anti-bat to their population and if anyone objects they are sent to a concentration camp for re-education like the Uhgurs (Chinese muslems). So, we have two Emperors Chinese and American about to fight it out and I don';t think the voice of reason (Biden) stands a chance. Still, interesting to see what happens next in this saga. We certainly live in dangerous times. Actually Nostradamus predicted the birth of the antichrist and total devastation at the turn of the 21st century as he predicted the fall of the twin towers at the turn of the 20th century. The good news is the Chinese GDP has rocketed to 4.9% so maybe they will hopefully be happy with that and back off from nuclear confrontation.

Antipodean opposites.

Splendid isolation is an advantage in the shortterm.

66 year old Worker in my house today is 75 lbs overweight, has A fib, high blood pressure and a few other physical ailments.

He contracted Covid from his 65 year old wife, she was down for almost 2 weeks,

terrible headache, nauseous, runny nose

and a fever, he had no symptoms, none,

didn’t even know he had it, he just got tested because his wife had it.

This guy is a poster child for someone who may die from this, but absolutely nothing.

Quarantined for 17 days, got tested and went back to running his business.

There is something obviously different with the way people’s immune systems, recognize and attack this virus.

Hopefully we can figure that out right quick,

cause this ain’t slowing down.

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The long term cardiovascular findings @Jed Rothwell reported, especially on the myocardium of the heart is very worrying and might account for 'long COVID' in which patients are debilitated for months without any appreciable recovery.

These findings are in fact about two months old and were first done by German doctors.

Important to know: This is all about serious cases that did stay at least a week in hospital. What the guys report as mild case is one that did not go to ICU...

But CoV-19 attacks all endothelian cells once its full spread into the body. This also includes the kid/heart and the brain. 90% of the reported damage is in the low single digit %. But as long as we don't know how long the virus will stay, whether it will survive in the genes this can be harmful too.

So then only counter mean is, to do an early treatment, that starts with enhancing your immune system by intaking enough V-D and zinc. Fresh orange juice after a contact helps to fight during the first phase a bit stronger Quercetin.

Next step add HCQ Doxycycline/Azitromycin with strong symptoms add Ivermerctin. 2x 4 X normal dose!

Do you need a doctor? Only if you have no access to teh above mentioned drugs!

And stay off Gilead crap Remdesivir!! Better use Avigan. Use prednison only under strict control!

I find it highly interesting that in this forum, where people used to scientific literature are posting, some say it is mandatory to wear masks to protect others. Have you ever looked at the literature? This mask topic was researched over a hundred years ago during the spanish flu:

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/f/f…+text;size=100;view=image

100 years of research into masks and most of them found no scientific evidence that they have a positive impact on the spread of a respiratorial virus. A very good korean study from 2015 found significant evidence for twice the risk of getting a cold when carrying a cloth mask, as many currently do (https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577).

The meta study all "pro maskers" refer to is the one from the lancet. This study has serious flaws as described here: https://swprs.org/who-mask-study-seriously-flawed/

Other things to notice about the masks: https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/

There are no studies about the harm these masks do to our children who have to wear them in schools. That they do harm is scientific fact (see link above). In my eyes it is a crime against our children to force them to wear maks in schools without any conclusive scientific evidence that they are helpful in slowing down the spread of the virus. Give working masks (not cloth masks) to the risk groups so that they can protect themselfs if they want. End of the story. Stop doing human trials on our children - they have a whole life to live. The risk group already lived their lifes, they do not have to go to work anymore and can stay at home if the want and get their groceries delivered. IFR for people younger than 70 years is 0,05% (https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf)!!! This is nothing compared to obesity! Are you banning sugar???

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100 years of research into masks and most of them found no scientific evidence that they have a positive impact on the spread of a respiratorial virus.

The actual masks can filter a significant part of the aerosols what results in an overall lower dose. What is strictly forbidden is the use of self made masks based on textiles only. You have to sew in a filter layer!

The main help of masks is that a strong spreader just delivers aerosols and helps to immunize the nearby people.

Conclusion: Masks will not 100% stop the virus containing aerosols. Thus: Do not stay long time in close rooms with many people talking (Pub!!).

We so far we had 3 dead from the famous Swiss killing singer event. But the overall death rate/cases is now down at 0.1%. So most infection are immunizations only!

South: https://www.vd.ch/toutes-les-actualites/hotline-et-informations-sur-le-coronavirus/point-de-situation-statistique-dans-le-canton-de-vaud/

North: https://github.com/openZH/covi…ahlen_Kanton_ZH_total.csv

I once recommed again to study the difference between the north and southwest part of Switzerland. You can also say between people that strictly follow the rules and the more laisser fair French part.

ICU case in south raise 4x! ICU cases remain unchanged in north despite 50x increase in cases!

Quote from Roseland67

66 year old Worker in my house today is 75 lbs overweight, has A fib, high blood pressure and a few other physical ailments.

He contracted Covid from his 65 year old wife, she was down for almost 2 weeks,

terrible headache, nauseous, runny nose

and a fever, he had no symptoms, none,

didn’t even know he had it, he just got tested because his wife had it.

This guy is a poster child for someone who may die from this, but absolutely nothing.

Quarantined for 17 days, got tested and went back to running his business.

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Biology is not deterministic.

In the UK they will test a vaccine by deliberately infecting people with COVID-19. I thought this was never allowed. It is called "a human challenge trial." See:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2…tely-exposed-to-the-virus

Covid-19 Live Updates: Volunteers in London to Be Infected With Coronavirus in Vaccine Study

Researchers in London are planning the world’s first effort to study how people immunized with different vaccines respond to exposure to the virus.