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    Quote from Wyttenbach

    That's why we since 6 months tell the people you must be able to treat yourself!

    That is impossible. You are not a nurse or doctor, and even if you were, a seriously ill person cannot treat himself. You will die. If you are not seriously ill, just stay in bed and wait to get better. You don't need treatment.


    Quote from Wyttenbach

    Prepare yourself with high dose V-D3 and regular zinc.

    Yeah, sure, and voodoo and magic spells while you are at it. If high doses of zinc cured this, or prevented it, every doctor would know that, and would administer it, and the disease would be gone.

    Quote from JedRothwell

    That is impossible. You are not a nurse or doctor, and even if you were, a seriously ill person cannot treat himself. You will die. If you are not seriously ill, just stay in bed and wait to get better. You don't need treatment.


    Yeah, sure, and voodoo and magic spells while you are at it. If high doses of zinc cured this, or prevented it, every doctor would know that, and would administer it, and the disease would be gone.

    Did you take your eye of Newt this morning and go delirious?


    Do nothing is the most ridiculous and unscientific thing ever uttered when we've seen a massive amount of literature come out in the last 6 months, peer-reviewed, and some even RCT. You are actively harming people by your flippant words. Apologies to everyone on this board for having the Town criers come here to police thought and utter delirium.


    As for Vitamin D and Zinc, Eastern Virginia Medical School protocol has Vitamin D3 and Zinc has it as part of their protocol and anyone who follows this is on a good right track:


    https://www.evms.edu/media/evm…ovid-Protocol-Summary.pdf

    Small ivermectin trial .. Bangladesh

    financed by a smallPharma generic drugs manufacturer

    working at lower profit margins than BIgpharma

    https://beximcopharma.com/products/anti-infectives.html

    "A 5-day course of ivermectin resulted in an earlier clearance of the virus compared to placebo (P = 0.005)

    thus indicating early intervention with such an agent may limit

    viral replication within the host. ..

    It is noteworthy that the viral nucleic acid cycle threshold value (indicator of viral load) significantly dropped compared to placebo on D-7 and D-14.


    In the absence of co-morbidity, a 5-day course of ivermectin treatment showed faster SARS-CoV-2 virus clearance compared to the placebo arm

    (9 vs.13 days; P = 0.02).

    https://www.ijidonline.com/art…-9712(20)32506-6/fulltext

    Quote from JedRothwell

    That is impossible. You are not a nurse or doctor, and even if you were, a seriously ill person cannot treat himself.

    The idea is to treat yourself prophylactically/early to avoid getting seriously ill.

    My wife, a respiratory specialist nurse, according to my advice , derived from the creditable reports

    has doubled her Vit D dose and is taking daily Zn.. and there is standby ivermectin..in case either of us start to show symptoms typical of Covid.

    My Father,92, favours my advice.. rather than my physician sister... who will go by the standard NZ medical advice... which is not to administer such prophylaxis or early treatment and socially isolate /cross one's fingers to reduce the likelihood of getting seriously ill...

    From Trial Site News (Dec 4) --

    The FLCCC Alliance press conference from Houston, Texas

    - Medical team urges the adoption of ivermectin now

    - Discusses prescribed protocols for prevention and treatment

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    Quote from JedRothwell

    That is impossible. You are not a nurse or doctor, and even if you were, a seriously ill person cannot treat himself. You will die. If you are not seriously ill, just stay in bed and wait to get better. You don't need treatment.


    Yeah, sure, and voodoo and magic spells while you are at it. If high doses of zinc cured this, or prevented it, every doctor would know that, and would administer it, and the disease would be gone.

    Jed, have you bothered to read any of the study's posted here on treatments?

    COVID-19 Vaccine May Not Work on Nursing Home Patients


    https://www.newsmax.com/health…ts/2020/12/04/id/1000065/


    But according to the Los Angeles Times, although the 3 million Americans who live in long-term healthcare facilities have been given first dibs, some experts say that the giving the vaccine to the frail and elderly may be dangerous. Historically, this aging population doesn’t respond well to the flu vaccine, for example, and the side effects of the COVID-19 vaccine may be more than they can handle.

    Quote from JedRothwell

    Yeah, sure, and voodoo and magic spells while you are at it. If high doses of zinc cured this, or prevented it, every doctor would know that, and would administer it, and the disease would be gone

    As a member of the FM/R mafia you obviously have to post such nonsense that potentially will kill others. This simply is disgusting.


    An average doctor has no more knowledge than you as the illness and its treatment are new. Further these poor guys currently do not have much time left for professional development.


    I would nobody send to a hospital as long as he is able to treat himself or has somebody that can help him. Still 50% in ICU do die due to the famous FM/R mafia that deprives them of Ivermectin.

    I hope there are enough US lawyers surviving that are willing to bring most of the mafia people - e.g. Gilead management - to jail for committing mass murder for private profit!

    Quote from Wyttenbach

    An average doctor has no more knowledge than you as the illness and its treatment are new.

    An average doctor knows far more about every disease than you or I know. For the same reason I know more about Japanese grammar than most doctors. Because I spent years studying it. A doctor who has worked with COVID-19 patients knows far more about that than most doctors do, and it would take years for you or I to learn what they know.


    You do not realize that people know more than you do about their area of expertise. Doctors know more about drugs than you do, because they spend years learning, and passing rigorous exams. I know more about Japanese grammar than you do. Not because I am brilliant, but because I took every course Cornell offered, and I read and wrote in Japanese every day for 5 years. You think you know everything. You suffer from an extreme case of the Dunning-Kruger effect.


    Quote from Wyttenbach

    As a member of the FM/R mafia you obviously have to post such nonsense that potentially will kill others. This simply is disgusting.

    You are disgusting, tarring all doctors with one brush. Many of them strongly oppose the extreme profit seeking institutions of medicine, such as insurance companies. They would be thrilled to find a cheap, reliable way to treat COVID-19. I know there are many thousands of doctors like this because my daughter worked with organized groups of these doctors to lobby in favor of Obamacare. She arranged for them to lobby Congress and testify. She, and they, wrote sections of the law. They are committed to lower costs, patient advocacy, and taking power away pharmaceutical companies and insurance companies. If they had not acted, Obamacare would not have passed, and things would be much worse than they are. You can see they worked against enormous opposition, because the GOP has tried to repeal Obamacare 70 times. It it their top priority, and they came within one vote of repealing it in the Senate.


    Of course there are also many doctors who oppose Obamacare. They are not a unified or uniform group of people.

    Quote from Lou Pagnucco

    From Trial Site News (Dec 4) --

    The FLCCC Alliance press conference from Houston, Texas

    - Medical team urges the adoption of ivermectin now

    - Discusses prescribed protocols for prevention and treatment

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    Good find! Dramatic appell.

    Quote from JedRothwell

    You do not realize that people know more than you do about their area of expertise.

    You are in a delirium. I regularly visit doctors mainly for discussing with them about my health problems. Doctors are health consultants with a huge background.

    But most doctors have no clue about CoV-19 as we all had no clue starting this year. I had to consult first aid CoV-19 help already in April and believe me it was awfully difficult at that time - especially to avoid wrong decisions. Today we know that we did the best what could have been done at that time. Unluckily I got the confirmation (from 2 doctors!!) of Sutherlandia two weeks to late!

    I regularly read medical papers since age 12. There are always times when I ask why I did not choose this path. And please do not forget that I have bachelor level in all main nature science fields - way more e.g. chemistry - than doctors know. I can explain them how their machines work...

    As you tar everyone not connected at the hip to CNN with being a “Trumper”?

    As you tar every Covid 19 spreader a

    “Trumper”?

    Quote from Roseland67

    As you tar everyone not connected at the hip to CNN with being a “Trumper”?

    What is this obsession you have with CNN? Why do you falsely claim that I often agree with it? I seldom read it, and I never watch American TV. I get info. from the New York Times, the professional journals, and the Japanese press, not CNN. The last set of messages I posted about CNN was to point out that their story about suicides in Japan was exaggerated.


    You "accusation" is empty nonsense repeated, as if repeating it will make it true. What you say is not about me. It is you. There is nothing I can do to dispel your delusions.

    As we recently had to hear that the Free Masons Rotary Pharma mafia (France, New York) did sue doctors for early use of HCQ I here I give a re-link for the good old HCQ early treatment efficiency:


    In vitro test - complete: https://www.sciencedirect.com/…cle/pii/S0882401020305155

    Title: In vitro testing of combined hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin on SARS-CoV-2 shows synergistic effect.
    - Here we discuss a test that allows 1:1 conclusion for in vivo too as these are known drugs with known kinetics.


    https://www.journalajmah.com/i…/article/view/30224/56706

    Title : Azithromycin and Hydroxychloroquine Accelerate Recovery of Outpatients with Mild Moderate COVID-19


    To get more info: https://hcqtrial.com


    Be aware that the Pharma mafia also forces almost all public journals (not science..) to suppress mentioning working drugs. Almost no comments about Ivermectin will get through. We will soon send registered letters to many leading journals to a have legal base for bringing them to Den Haag for the support of mass-murder!


    See also JED's behavior in behalf of this!

    I read about the experience of a shop worker here in Sweden who complained that the people with mask was all over them being way to close and those without mask kept a decent distance. This illustrate the main points against general mask mandates. We should be fine with distancing alone as a measure to calm the spread. But people do not follow the recommendations, go to private parties, dinners and other events. My experience is really that people who are cautious and distance themselves also do not catch covid.


    I agree somewhat with Wyttenbach when it comes to pharmaceutical industry and the socially accepted fact that they spend a lot of time and money to influencing the doctors in a way that I think

    is not ethical although they try to keep it ethical. To see the effect of this I would point to the overuse of heavy pain pills that caused an epidemy of narcotic problems in USA because of the successful campaign from the industry to make the doctors prescribe the pills. On the other hand, generally, the doctors try to keep being professional and strive to make good, and they usually, at least here in Sweden try to follow the newest findings via academic experts who write reports published in a special journal that comes out frequently. In my judgement most of these professors have a high morale and deep knowledge that I really trust more than people in this forum. The non use of some of the medicaments discussed hear is because that the randomized studies have not proved they are working and so they don't find the proof enough convincing. If the the proof was convincing we would have Swedish experts writing about the results to the general working doctors. Perhaps the pharma industry managed to get researchers to use the wrong medical protocol for HCQ, perhaps not, but that is not the same as saying that all doctors are bad because they do not prescribe the drugs. The problems is in stead in the small group of researchers that uses the wrong protocol and hence misleads the expert judgement.

    Don’t think I’d go that far,

    Jed isn’t a murderer.


    He’s just an old, hopelessly programmed remnant of Group Think Blue, he’s not hurting anybody.

    Quote from stefan

    The problems is in stead in the small group of researchers that uses the wrong protocol and hence misleads the expert judgement.

    This is exactly what happened. It did cost Gilead and friends only a few millions to find some willing silent killers as the UK recovery trial team to tweak the public and doctors view about HCQ. Keep Ivermectin down only needed the mafia friends and internal non publishing orders.

    Young doctors are kept short of financial resources and are forced into long time working hours. So if these start their own business a large part just runs for the money. Visits seminars with all inclusive inclusive many luxury dinners and fun park visits. In the east cooperate chiefs/top influencers are also severed for extended "top whorehouse" visits. This is how business is made and does run. Not even to talk about the "gifts" of free drug packages (last figure I have for Switzerland 2 Billions/year) doctors are allowed to sell for 100% profit.

    I'm lucky: My doctor is an "oldtimeer" an just works for the patient. He even allowed me a cure nobody else here would have authorized. Chapeau!

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