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    For sure, however good analysis should be able to find the signals - we're just not getting that analysis and data from HMOs


    Covid deaths are also correlated because of the PCR test

    COVID dangers are clearly being suppressed by governments around the world, and especially in the UK.


    We all know, looking at the research papers, that COVID has high risks and that the significant long-term risks of long COVID are not being released to the public. Where is the official safety analysis that shows the risk is acceptable?


    There is a hidden deep state mafia (sic) controlling every Western government, communicating with Bill Gates via 5G signals. They are vaccinated. They want you not to be - so that you can catch COVID. The short-term mortality risk is a distraction - put out into the public domain to stop you thinking about the other more serious risks. Those are long COVID - which no-one official will tell you about - and even more scarily COVID mind-control. You know that COVID was a synthetic virus - designed by a deep state collaboration between China and the US in Wuhan? It has a unique synthetic RNA sequence never before seen and this - some data indicates - makes everyone's head non-magnetic. That is right! The natural human magnetic shield that prevents external e-m signals from affecting your thoughts has been shown to vanish in people for months after a COVID infection. You can prove this at home (if you have had COVID). Try balancing a metallic object on your forehead - shake your head. It will fall off! Now imagine - why are governments throughout the Western world and in China putting up 5G towers so quickly? at this specific time when COVID is rampant?


    Don't let them get away with it! Demand a full statement of present and future long COVID risks now! Make your government be open about the human consequences of its strategy of selective non-vaccination regardless of risk to young people! Wear one of our post-COVID protectors. COVID infections can be asymptomatic so you need this even if you think you have not had COVID. The true infection rate is being kept from you by Them. For only $25 we will send you a specially designed cap - emblazoned with our logo - and guaranteed to prevent 5G towers from affecting your thoughts even in the most serious cases of long COVID. You can see how effective it is because it is magnetic. Take a small ferrous object - and see how easily it sticks to the cap. Your Thoughts Are Protected By Us.


    THH

    They want to control your children!


    More serious even than 5G COVID mind control, recent research has shown that COVID RNA can be integrated into your mitochodrial DNA and passed on - without byour knowledge or consent - to your children. That's right. Some scientists believe this could reduce the natural child head magnetic field by up to 70% in newly born children and make them susceptible to COVID mind control from 5G towers before they are even able to learn to use a gun!


    Don't accept this. Ask yourself - why is every government in the world preventing children under age 4 from taking the protective vaccine that the mafia reserve for themselves. We all know the answer.


    For only $299.50 you can buy one of our Magnetic Baby Bubbles. This is a self-contained environment - with solar power and backup PSU to run for up to 25 years in case the feds cut off your mains power - that is guaranteed to protect your newborn children from early COVID mind control. Do you want your offspring to gow up with liberal tendencies? To vote for the democats? Don't think it can't happen. It can! Unless you buy a Magnetic Baby Bubble.

    This is marginally OT for this thread. However, since we have had speculation about COVID vaccines making people magnetic and susceptible to mind control I think these alternative conspiracy theories deserve space. Why is it only the mainstream conspiracy theories that get talked about? Being part of group-thing does not make you right! You may view this - admittedly somewhat speculative - theory as being politically unbalanced. That is true. However I take the view that true political balance comes only from balancing differing politically unbalanced viewpoints, so that we in the end obtain an overall neutral state of lack of balance.


    Some will consider the arguments below to be self-contradictory. That is because they do not understand that we now live in a post-Truth world.


    The number of accidental gun deaths in the US has been going up dramatically in recent years under the liberal administrations of Obama (weird birth certificate) and Biden (some of us think he is actually too old to speak independently and those mangled words are coming out of a radio-controlled transponder).


    This is NOT a coincidence.


    Before even the COVID scam, liberals were trying to deprive you of your rights under the US constitution to shoot accurately and kill people with guns in self-defence. Vitamin D levels have been falling for decades - and this makes children less able to learn good gun skills. Suppose somone you did not like - maybe a person of different color, or somone with dark glasses could be a Fed, or maybe just that neighbour you have not spoken to for 20 years - comes without permission onto your land. Do you really believe your children would manage a proper head shot? Or would they just as likely hit a tree?


    Liberal policies have been making it more and more difficult for you to give your children the skills needed to protect themselves. COVID is part of this. Did you know one effect of long COVID is fatigue and an inability to point a gun accurately? That is no coincidence. As you know, COVID was an Obama-Biden inspired plot - jointly with the Chinese - to control your minds. Your children learnt to shoot well before the age of 12, did they not? (If they are slow - for only $399.50 you could send them on our baby-gun-handling course - guaranteed to decrease chances of accidental death from gunshot by 90%). That is why the vaccine is restricted and not allowed for children under 12. So their arms-handling abilities can be attacked and they will lose sacred rights granted to them under the US constitution.


    Governments throughout the world are controlled by a right-wing mafia colluding with those who have money. I'm not going to single out any specific sex, ethic group, nationality, or race but if you look historically I'm sure you know whom I mean. We, the people, have little we can do to fight against this evil campaign. One thing - we can ensure that all of our children are able to defend themselves and rise up to destroy the greedy capitalists now running the world.


    Join our group now. The only organisation uniting Oathkeepers and Antifa, English Defence League and Socialist Workers Party. We know the elites are out to get you - and we are out to get them!

    Did you write the ad for flippityfish ?

    Good to see your understanding of the American public. Pathetic!

    Moderna in talks with FDA to expand COVID-19 vaccine pediatric study

    Reuters


    Moderna in talks with FDA to expand COVID-19 vaccine pediatric study
    Moderna Inc (MRNA.O) is in talks with U.S. regulators to expand the size of an ongoing trial testing its COVID-19 vaccines in children aged between five and…
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    Vials with Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna coronavirus disease (COVID-19) vaccine labels are seen in this illustration picture taken March 19, 2021. REUTERS/Dado Ruvic/Illustration

    Vials with Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna coronavirus disease (COVID-19) vaccine labels are seen in this illustration picture taken March 19, 2021. REUTERS/Dado Ruvic/Illustration


    July 26 (Reuters) - Moderna Inc (MRNA.O) is in talks with U.S. regulators to expand the size of an ongoing trial testing its COVID-19 vaccines in children aged between five and 11, the drugmaker said on Monday.


    The objective of the discussion with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration is to enroll a larger safety database, which increases the likelihood of detecting rarer events, the company said.


    Moderna expects to have a package that supports authorization in winter of 2021 or early 2022, a company spokesperson told Reuters.


    Earlier in the day, the New York Times reported the U.S. regulators have asked Pfizer Inc (PFE.N)-BioNTech (22UAy.DE) and Moderna to expand the size of the trial.


    They claimed the strength of the studies was inadequate to detect the rare side effects, including myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle and pericarditis, an inflammation of the lining around the heart, the report said.(https://nyti.ms/3xgzuWZ)


    Pfizer said it has not provided any updates to its previously stated timelines. It had previously said it expects to have data for children aged between 5and 11 in September.


    The health regulator has asked the companies to include 3,000 children in their trials, almost double the original number of study participants, the NYT report said, citing people familiar with the matter.


    FDA did not immediately respond to Reuters request for comment.

    Hmmmmmm didn't I say this 6months ago Thomas?


    Dr. Scott Gottlieb says U.S. delta-driven Covid spike could peak in 3 weeks, following U.K. pattern


    Dr. Scott Gottlieb says U.S. delta-driven Covid spike could peak in 3 weeks, following U.K. pattern
    "If the U.K. is turning the corner, it's a pretty good indication that maybe we're further into this than we think" in the U.S., Dr. Scott Gottlieb told CNBC.
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    KEY POINTS

    Dr. Scott Gottlieb told CNBC on Monday he believes Covid cases in the U.K. have "peaked" after a delta variant-related rise.

    That has implications for the U.S. as America battles its own surge in coronavirus infections, the former FDA chief said.

    "If the U.K. is turning the corner, it's a pretty good indication that maybe we're further into this than we think," he said.

    It is very good news that the UK cases are going down now - I am just a bit cautious because I do not understand why it is happening? I don't think it can be herd immunity. Possibly it is an artifact caused by school holidays ad therefore less testing. I hope not - we will get the ONS infection survey data shortly (which does not depend on testing) after which we will know is it a real decline.


    Re the US - remember that different States are in a very different position so you could look at the course of infections in each of the States to see when it peaks. What you get from the overall graph is much less informative.


    The UK case mystery


    What is behind the latest fall in cases of Covid across the UK?
    Confirmed infections have dropped 21.5% week on week – though recorded deaths are still on the rise
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    Could we have reached herd immunity?

    Scientists fully expected another wave of Covid infections as England eased restrictions. Even though millions have caught the virus and about 70% of adults have received two doses of vaccine, nearly half the population is not fully vaccinated. That leaves potentially millions of mostly younger people that the virus can spread though, largely unchecked.

    The Office of National Statistics estimates that about 92% of adults in England have antibodies from either vaccines or infection, but testing positive for antibodies is different from being immune. Full vaccination roughly halves the risk of becoming infected, while immunity following infection tends to produce more variable protection. The upshot is that even though immunity is pushing down on the virus, there may not yet be enough around to crush the epidemic on its own. The threshold for herd immunity – when so many people are protected that the epidemic fizzles out – is a slippery one, and depends on how people, as well as the virus, behave. On paper, about 85% of transmission needs to be blocked to drive the Delta epidemic down, a target that may be some way off yet.

    One hint that falling cases is not solely down to immunity is the shape of the decline. Cases in the UK have plummeted in the past week. Lockdowns are known to bring about sharp falls in cases, because social contacts are swiftly severed, but an immunity-driven peak was expected to be more drawn out, lasting weeks rather than days. “This may yet happen, of course, if what we are seeing is a short-term downturn, followed by another rise then fall,” says Prof Rowland Kao, an epidemiologist at Edinburgh University.



    Is it because of the school holidays or testing?

    There are no new cases without new testing. As Donald Trump declared in May last year: “If we didn’t do any testing, we would have very few cases.” Likewise, substantial changes in testing patterns can feed through into the case numbers. As schools closed in July for the summer holidays, student contact will have fallen off, reducing transmission, but testing will have fallen too, whether infections have declined or not. Given that school pupils have some of the highest rates of Covid in the country, a large shift in how often they test could feed into the decline in recorded cases. Difficulties in accessing testing because of capacity problems would have a similar impact, as would people choosing not to be tested. On this issue at least, an answer should come soon. The Office of National Statistics runs an infection survey that captures case numbers in the community each week. If that shows a decline soon, the trend will be far more convincing.


    Could the ‘pingdemic’ be driving down cases?

    Hundreds of thousands of people have been sent into isolation by the NHS app in recent weeks. That in itself has curbed, as intended, the spread of the virus. But frustration with being pinged, and widespread media coverage of the “pingdemic” that has raised awareness of the problem, have led some people to delete the app. Young people, who are less likely to be vaccinated and have the highest rates of infection, are deleting it more than others, if polling is reliable. Human behaviour is the toughest variable to predict in all of this.


    What about the Euros?

    One-off sporting events are not expected to drive vast numbers of new infections. But during the Euro 2020 tournament there was a solid rise in cases across the country among males aged between 15 and 44. That trend has now reversed. The steady increase in infections may have bumped up national case numbers, particularly in July, only for them to fall back the fortnight after the final. Prof Kao said a link to the football was “entirely plausible”. Case numbers in Scotland began to fall from 1 July, about two weeks after the country’s last Euro 2020 game, but only fell in England from 17 July, a week after the final.

    While events at Wembley presented their own chances for the virus to spread – particularly the semi-final and final – a more important driver may have been people meeting up to watch the games in poorly ventilated pubs, bars and at people’s homes. More than 31 million people were estimated to have watched the final on 11 July on BBC and ITV combined, but that does not include those watching it in pubs or the millions who watched on streaming services.


    Is the weather helping?

    Respiratory infections typically fall in the summer and rise in the winter, not least because people spend more time outside in better weather. The UK’s mini-heatwave might well have helped on that front, but Prof Iain Buchan, chair of public health and clinical informatics at Liverpool University, says multiple factors will be at play.

    “A critical mass of vaccine and disease-induced immunity combined with good weather shifting our mixing outdoors as society reopens has benefited the UK. But we shouldn’t be complacent; there are many communities, particularly in disadvantaged areas, where vaccination programmes still have a long way to go,” he said.


    What now?

    It’s all about the data. According to Graham Medley, a professor at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and chair of the Sage subgroup on pandemic modelling, we may not know whether cases have peaked until a few weeks after the event. The impact of the 19 July easing of restrictions will not become apparent in the case numbers until the week beginning 2 August, and how much people mix will be crucial. As Medley points out, we will likely experience a number of peaks and falls in the next couple of months; we are not scaling a single mountain.

    Jesus Thomas, I just posted that. I'm looking at this from a different angle using the sun and hope Simpson study to follow the progression of infections and Variants. Not very popular with the boys here and sounds a bit out there but it is working. Would you like to know what's in store for the UK over the next 3 months?

    Big Tech and the Pandemic


    Big Tech and the Pandemic
    Note that views expressed in this opinion article are the writer’s personal views and not necessarily those of TrialSite. Some people were surprised when
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    Note that views expressed in this opinion article are the writer’s personal views and not necessarily those of TrialSite.


    Some people were surprised when YouTube removed doctors’ videos on Ivermectin treatment, LinkedIn suspended a top mRNA researcher, and Twitter suspended @cov19treatments. Big Tech has been doing these things and worse since the beginning of the pandemic.


    Here, Big Tech means five companies: Google (especially Search, YouTube, and Google App Store), Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft (more specifically, LinkedIn and Bing), and Apple. Google, Facebook, Twitter, and Microsoft have been openly coordinating which information to allow on their platforms since 2018. At the beginning of the pandemic, Google and Apple restricted COVID-19-related apps in their respective app stores to only those provided by entities they chose, such as governments, select NGOs, “companies deeply credentialed in health issues” (aka Big Pharma), and Big Education. Doctors need not bother. Patient’s, doctors, medical researchers, and even government officials became completely dependent on this coordinated monopoly of COVID-19-related information without recognizing it.


    Today, most of Big Tech workforce is employed in censorship or political surveillance of its users. While pretending to be private companies, Big Tech acts on behalf of governments as state actors.


    Big Tech has developed internal structures to censor information and manipulate its users, while pretending to be neutral and only restrict hate speech and content falling under Section 230(c)(2). It also pretended that the content it shows is received from third parties under Section 230(c)(1). Big Tech employs and finances a so-called fact-checking network, which is organized as a monopoly under the Poynter Institute (Twitter does not formally participate, and Facebook utilizes some media organizations outside of this network). Unnecessary to say, these fact-checkers have no scientific or medical knowledge and are very political.


    Big Tech uses these fact-checkers to determine the Truth or pretends to do so. Big Tech frequently accepts direct input from foreign governments and individuals associated with the major US political party. Knowing the Truth, Big Tech determines what misinformation and other thought crimes are. Then engineers program computers to detect and delete or hide content with the thought crimes. When necessary, low-level employees supplement the software. Thus, the thought crime content is removed automatically or semi-automatically. Sometimes, it is replaced or labeled with defamatory messages. Top managers do not know or pretend not to know the details.


    No organization, managed by humans, would have blocked pandemic treatment or doctor. But Big Tech acts as a machine. These companies started as providers of content-agnostic software and computer or communications networks.


    Users, as authors and viewers, have no knowledge of downranking or restricting the content they share or view. Suspensions or bans are usually the only ways in which they are notified. Even then, they have no recourse. It required high-level media coverage to restore LinkedIn’s account of Dr. Malone. Even a Nobel Prize winners have less authority in Big Tech companies than their semi-literate or outright-lying fact-checkers.


    If one gets through to a mid-level manager or even an attorney of a Big Tech company, the answer is short and proud: Yes, we have banned your message in accordance with our content policy. You see, there is a pandemic, so we ban information about medicines used to treat the pandemic disease.


    From my real experience with Google AdWords, “We found the following policy violations in the content of the landing page … Reference to COVID 19 restricted terms” (including Ivermectin). At the same time, Google ran Gilead’s ads promoting poisonous and ineffective Remdesivir.


    The situation is not without precedents. The low-ranking employees just follow orders. The executives first did not know and then pretended that they do not know. Efficient organization and technology do the rest.


    Early on, Big Tech elevated the Work Health Organization (WHO) as the top medical authority on the pandemic. Even in the best times, the WHO was just an intermediary. All of its knowledge is derived from the knowledge of the member countries. Now it is headed by Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Ph.D., known for committing genocide against ethnic minorities, as a minister in the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF) government in Ethiopia. TPLF used to be classified as a domestic terrorist organization. But Big Tech was so possessed with Trump Derangement Syndrome that it allied itself with Mr. Tedros to oppose the President of the United States in the time of a pandemic.


    Based on the WHO’s input, further distorted by “fact-checkers,” Big Tech declared that there are no countermeasures for COVID-19, except for “Do the Five”, like coughing into one’s elbow and staying three feet from each other. They started banning any content with useful information, including vitamin C.


    Then, Big Tech declared a ban on information about any treatment and prophylaxis for COVID-19, not approved by the WHO. Of course, the WHO does not create treatments. It receives it from the US and other Western countries, where it is developed by treating physicians and researchers. Thus, Big Tech waited on the WHO, the WHO waited on the Western doctors and scientists, while their attempts to communicate the discovered treatments were being paralyzed by Big Tech because they had not been approved by WHO.


    Big Tech endorsed the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel, assembled ad hoc by Dr. Fauci, from individuals who are mostly incompetent and conflicted by their ties to Gilead. Since April 22, 2020, this panel has objected to all pharmaceutical prophylaxis and early treatment of COVID-19, except for Gilead’s Remdesivir. The early outcry about the Panel’s disclosed and undisclosed ties to Gilead went nowhere. Shielded from scrutiny, it has been operating in shadows, occasionally changing its guidelines to kick down another effective treatment coming to the forefront — HCQ, HCQ with Azithromycin, plasma, and finally Ivermectin. The opinion of this obscure and conflicted panel has no scientific value or formal power. But after Big Tech and the dependent media endorsed this Panel, its guidelines paralyzed doctors and hospitals with doubts and fears of lawsuits. I cannot imagine how human beings can do what the Panel has been doing. Now, Peter Yim tries to FOIA their documents related to the negative change in stance toward Ivermectin. He appears pro se, and probably needs help from lawyers specializing in FOIA litigation. Also, somebody needs to demand all documents from this panel, from the moment it was convened until now.


    The last, but not least: Big Tech has enormously benefited from the pandemic. Its power grew as more activities shifted online, and the revenues followed. Google’s healthcare company Verily, providing tests and testing solutions for COVID-19, has nicely wetted its beak in the testing hysteria created by Google.


    These five companies more than doubled their total market capitalization over the pandemic, gaining $3.7 Trillion (12/30/2019 to 07/23/2021). Big Tech has enthusiastically promoted social distancing, including lockdowns and face masks, and has de-platformed their critics. On this subject, it split from the WHO. No doubt, that if pandemic interfered with its business, Big Tech would have promoted treatments and opposed unnecessary social distancing.


    Big Tech has multiple levers of influence on medical publications and research. Google alone can build up or destroy any publication by promoting or downranking it in Google Search. They can influence biotech companies with investing decisions. They can influence medical research, even at top universities, with grants and grant withdrawal decisions.


    Twitter de-platformed @cov19treatments, the account of physicians treating COVID-19, on July 22. Almost certainly, Twitter did this in connection with an ignorant hit piece in the LA Times, which called Ivermectin a bogus treatment. An interesting to note is the coordination among Big Tech in promoting that article. Microsoft Network syndicated it, and Google Search displayed it prominently as a Top Story in the search results for Ivermectin.


    YouTube prohibits content recommending the use of Ivermectin for both prophylaxis and treatment of COVID-19. Facebook has a similar policy. Until recently, Facebook prohibited information about successful treatment for COVID-19, and even put the word cure in quotes. All Big Tech companies coordinate with each other on this front. In my opinion, they commit mass murder. More practical charges and claims might be the unlicensed practice of medicine, unfair competition against physicians, violation of free speech by state actors, monopoly abuse, fraud, and violation of states’ false claims acts.

    Something in Patients' Eyes Could Reveal The Presence of 'Long COVID', Doctors Say


    Something in Patients' Eyes Could Reveal The Presence of 'Long COVID', Doctors Say


    The punishing symptoms of long COVID are largely invisible to the eye, but new research suggests one of the hallmarks of the disease could literally be staring us in the face.

    Long COVID refers to a staggering range of debilitating symptoms that up to 30 percent of patients endure long after recovering from acute SARS-CoV-2 infection, including brain fog, headaches, fatigue, loss of taste and/or smell, and more.

    Many of these discomforts aren't always obvious on the outside, but according to a new study, long COVID might actually be detectable in the eyes of patients, in the form of nerve damage that can be seen in the cornea.

    The cornea is a transparent dome that forms the front surface of the eye, covering the iris and pupil.

    Nerve damage in the cornea can be detected by a non-invasive laser technique called corneal confocal microscopy (CCM), which has been used by researchers to identify corneal abnormalities linked to a range of diseases, such as nerve damage from diabetes, multiple sclerosis, and fibromyalgia.

    Here, the team used the same technique to see if CCM could identify corneal nerve damage and increased dendritic cells (DCs, a type of immune system cell) in cases of long COVID. They compared the results of 40 patients with previous COVID-19 infections against CCM observations of 30 healthy individuals who never had the disease.

    According to the researchers, CCM can be used to help indicate long COVID, with corneal scans of a subset of the COVID-19 group (patients who reported ongoing neurological symptoms after recovery from the virus) showing greater corneal nerve fiber damage and loss, along with higher counts of dendritic cells, than healthy participants.

    COVID, with corneal scans of a subset of the COVID-19 group (patients who reported ongoing neurological symptoms after recovery from the virus) showing greater corneal nerve fiber damage and loss, along with higher counts of dendritic cells, than healthy participants.


    "To the best of our knowledge, this is the first study reporting corneal nerve loss and an increase in DC density in patients who have recovered from COVID-19, especially in subjects with persisting symptoms consistent with long COVID," the researchers, led by first author Gulfidan Bitirgen from Necmettin Erbakan University in Turkey, write in their paper.

    While this is only a small study – and an observational study at that, which can't confirm that COVID-19 actually caused these patients' corneal abnormalities – the links here nonetheless amount to further evidence of how SARS-CoV-2 infection may contribute to neurological and neuropathic problems.

    This could be due to potential disruptions to healthy nerve fiber development, leading to an increase in dendritic cells summoned as part of our immune response.

    "These findings are consistent with an innate immune and inflammatory process characterized by the migration and accumulation of DCs in the central cornea in a number of immune mediated and inflammatory conditions," the team explains.

    "Further study of the relative change in mature and immature DC density and corneal nerves in COVID-19 patients over time may provide insights into the contribution of immune and inflammatory pathways to nerve degeneration."

    According to the results, the patients with more severe cases of COVID-19 tended to exhibit greater corneal nerve damage, so it's possible the eye abnormalities shown here all stem from the way the disease presents in patients, the researchers suggest.

    As the team acknowledges, more research with much larger cohorts is needed to pursue these early leads, but for now it's yet another example of how closely eye health is linked to our wider health, which is why techniques like CCM could have great promise as future diagnostic aids.

    "Corneal confocal microscopy may have clinical utility as a rapid objective ophthalmic test to evaluate patients with long COVID," the researchers say.

    The findings are reported in British Journal of Ophthalmology.

    An interesting read and findings in a recent study at Heidelberg University. Food for thought regarding rethinking vaccination programmes/recommendations for children in differnet countries...


    Typically asymptomatic but with robust antibody formation: Children’s unique humoral immune response to SARS-CoV-2
    Background Long-term persistence of antibodies against SARS-CoV-2, particularly the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Trimer, determines individual protection against infection…
    www.medrxiv.org

    Quote from THHuxleynew

    Wow - RB do you really rate these US neo-republicans with anti-science rhetoric?

    Fauci is honest. He never has done any research. He simply knows nothing without asking somebody that knows it. So he is the typical mafia coordinator like Göbbels or Himmler.


    Quote from Fm1

    The health regulator has asked the companies to include 3,000 children in their trials, almost double the original number of study participants, the NYT report said, citing people familiar with the matter.

    This is a Mon(c)tezuma call!!


    Quote from THHuxleynew

    It is very good news that the UK cases are going down now - I am just a bit cautious because I do not understand why it is happening? I don't think it can be herd immunity.

    Why?? The virus catches all vulnerable. Delta is about "1000x" stronger replicating than "Zero" - seen at test day. So as said everybody that is slightly vulnerable will catch it and the rest was immune as it was before...

    CoV-19 will be over soon. Even India with no vaccines has > 70% antibodies. Uttar Pradesh & Delhi are record low since > 3 week now.


    So game over for the vaccine finance fascists.


    This "1000x" (more virus on test stick) did also fool most doctor dilettantes that wrote hit pieces like Delta is more dangerous. This rubbish conclusion is based on CFR = the most manipulated quantity. Now we can estimate that 99% of all cases are silent/soft ones - up from 95% with Beta.


    Real data is key: Read the Swiss statistics before you read a fools paper. We had in total 7 deaths for 2 weeks ICU has a slight uptick from 32-->39. Cases did go up 7x. Pretty inline with what we see in UK.

    Here is another video and article with testimony from patients who were not vaccinated and now regret it. This includes another nurse who says that patients beg for the vaccine when they are already sick, and it is too late. It is depressing that people do not understand that. I guess that means this is no longer taught in grade school. I learned it. That was back in the 1950s and 60s when everyone remembered polio, smallpox and other epidemics.

    Staff at a Florida hospital say they are hearing panic, fear and regret from unvaccinated Covid-19 patients


    Staff at a Florida hospital say they are hearing panic, fear and regret from unvaccinated Covid-19 patients
    Health care workers at Jacksonville's Baptist Medical Center in Florida are hearing panic, fear and regret from many of their patients as an increasing number…
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    Here is a video of several thousand people risking illness or death in the service of lunatic right-wing ideology, like the Japanese people who favored going to war with the U.S. in 1941. Again, you do not have to take my word for it, or CNN's word: these people themselves say to the camera what they are doing, and why they are doing it.


    This is a cause that no one in the future will understand. These people themselves may look back and wonder what got into them. Many Japanese people did after 1945 because -- as I mentioned -- in retrospect they realized they should have ended the war in China. That was the only U.S. demand. The U.S. would have ended the embargo if Japan had negotiated a settlement. Japanese leaders should have realized they were going to lose that war sooner or later. The people in this video should realize that COVID is not a hoax and they really are risking illness or death, but you can see that not one of them believes that. If they did, they would not be crammed together shouting without masks.


    'Dangerous and stupid': ER physician on packed, maskless Trump event

    'Dangerous and stupid': ER physician on packed, maskless Trump event - CNN Video
    Maskless supporters packed a Phoenix theater for a chance to see former President Donald Trump as Covid-19 cases in the area have more than doubled due to the…
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    Quote from Wyttenbach

    Why?? The virus catches all vulnerable. Delta is about "1000x" stronger replicating than "Zero" - seen at test day. So as said everybody that is slightly vulnerable will catch it and the rest was immune as it was before...

    The point is that if we can maintain a lowish COVID level that will take 12 months - not two months - and:

    (1) more people will be vaccinated => less death

    (2) hospitals will be in better shape.


    Although as FM1 says - COVID has some seasonality and if R > 1 over winter months that could potentially be worse.


    Against that, if we really have R < 1 now, there is a decent chance that with more vaccination we can keep infection lowish over the winter - at least for delta variant...


    The final reason it is good news is that lower COVID rate in UK => less chance for UK to develop home-grown variants. We have done it once (alpha) we can do it again.

    Quote from THHuxleynew

    The final reason it is good news is that lower COVID rate in UK => less chance for UK to develop home-grown variants.

    After Delta I see no chance for an other virus to emerge. Of course more severe mutations will be produced every day but without the delta backbone these will die out. Corona virus are here since > 100 years and only the quick "non" deadly ones will survive. But also classic corona virus yearly kill hundreds of vulnerable. So the current death rate looks pretty classic now.


    Hospitals and flu vaccination a study!


    Secondary attack rates from asymptomatic and symptomatic influenza virus shedders in hospitals: Results from the TransFLUas influenza transmission study | Infection Control &amp; Hospital Epidemiology | Cambridge Core
    Secondary attack rates from asymptomatic and symptomatic influenza virus shedders in hospitals: Results from the TransFLUas influenza transmission study
    www.cambridge.org


    Summary: One Patient-employee transmission happened. A single patient infected an un-vaccinated employee..

    Results: In total, 152 HCWs and 542 inpatients were included; 16 HCWs (10.5%) and 19 inpatients (3.5%) tested positive for influenza on 109study days. Study participants had symptoms of disease on most of the days they tested positive for influenza (83.1% and 91.9% for HCWs and inpatients, respectively). Also, 11(15.5%) of 71 influenza-positive swabs among HCWs and 3 (7.9%) of 38 influenza-positive swabs among inpatients were collected on days without symptoms; 2 (12.5%) of 16 HCWs and 2 (10.5%) of 19 inpatients remained fully asymptomatic. The secondary attack rate was low: we recorded 1 transmission event over 159 contact days (0.6%) that originated from a symptomatic case. No transmission event occurred in 61 monitored days of contacts with asymptomatic influenza-positive individuals

    Quote from Wyttenbach

    After Delta I see no chance for an other virus to emerge. Of course more severe mutations will be produced every day but without the delta backbone these will die out. Corona virus are here since > 100 years and only the quick "non" deadly ones will survive. But also classic corona virus yearly kill hundreds of vulnerable. So the current death rate looks pretty classic now.

    So - do you have evidence for a < 0.1% IFR from delta in an unvaccinated population? Stating carefully how you are working out IFR (always difficult).


    I'll take you up on "delta is the last significant variant". Of course I hope you are right. I'd never bet against darwinian evolution - this is a new virus - so I bet we will get a fitter and as nasty, more vaccine evading, variant.


    Here is why there is no reason, for COVID, to expect fitter viruses to be milder as they evolve

    This link is pessimistic in its assumptions but not at all unreasonable. We can hope things will be better than this suggests, but this is well argued and within the realm of what is reasonable.

    Delta Variant: Everything You Need to Know
    Cases are growing exponentially across the world. Again. If you don’t know where this is going, a historical refresher might help. India has suffered about two…
    unchartedterritories.tomaspueyo.com


    Why is it more lethal? It replicates fatser, has much higher viral load, and therefore spreads faster. It is not surprising as a result of this that more people get sicker.


    And it references this recent and very depressing preprint saying delta is roughly twice as deadly as original (with however quite a lot of uncertainty).


    THH

    Quote from THHuxleynew

    Here is why there is no reason, for COVID, to expect fitter viruses to be milder as they evolve:

    There is a reason for most viruses, in natural circumstances. The ones that cause severe disease often disable the patient, making it difficult to spread the disease. The ones that kill patients stop the chain of transmission. Patients with milder forms are more likely to infect other people. Over time, the severity of a contagious diseases infecting people, birds and other animals tends to moderate. That's a tendency, not a rule. There are exceptions. Influenza was widespread before 1918, but the 1918 variant was much more severe than others. But it was probably zoonotic and new to humans. Not something that evolved from previous human infections.


    It may be that social conditions and medical science change the rules for COVID, stopping it from getting milder. That would be unnatural.

    this has yet to be peer reviewed


    Within three months after the initiation of the MMA protocols in Honduras, clinicians worldwide began to publish reports supporting the efficacy against SARS CoV2 infections of the main components of the MMA protocols: namely colchicine,89 ivermectin,10 tocilizumab,11 dexamethasone,12 and full dose heparin.13



    Early multidrug treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) and decreased case fatality rates in Honduras


    Early multidrug treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) and decreased case fatality rates in Honduras
    INTRODUCTION Within 2 months of first detection of SARS-CoV-2 in Honduras, its government promoted nationwide implementation of multi-drug COVID-19 inpatient…
    www.medrxiv.org


    ABSTRACT

    INTRODUCTION Within 2 months of first detection of SARS-CoV-2 in Honduras, its government promoted nationwide implementation of multi-drug COVID-19 inpatient and outpatient treatment protocols. This was associated with a case fatality rate decrease from 9.33% to 2.97%. No decrease was seen in Mexico, a similar Latin American country that did not introduce multi-drug treatment protocols at that time.


    OBJECTIVE The primary objective of the study was to use statistical process control to assess the likelihood that the decrease in case fatality rate in Honduras was due to chance, using Mexico as a control country.


    METHODS Fourteen day running average COVID-19 case fatality rates in Honduras and Mexico were used to create Shewhart control charts during the first 6 months of the epidemic. The date of implementation in Honduras of the inpatient and outpatient multi-drug COVID-19 protocols were plotted on control charts, with a Mexican COVID-19 case fatality control chart for comparison.


    RESULTS The case fatality rate for COVID-19 in Honduras dropped below the lower control limit 9 days after implementation of an inpatient and outpatient multi-drug therapeutic protocol, from an average 9.33% case fatality rate to 5.01%. The Honduran COVID-19 case fatality rate again dropped below the lower control limit to 2.97%, 17 days after launching a substantial government program to make the protocol medications accessible to underserved areas. Shewhart control chart plots of case fatality rates in Honduras suggest a plausible temporal association between the implementation dates of both the initial protocol implementation on May 3, 2020, and the outreach effort on June 10, 2020, and statistically significant control chart anomalies. No control chart anomalies were seen during that time in Mexico.


    CONCLUSION Decreases in COVID-19 case fatality rates in Honduras were associated with both the initial publication a multi-drug COVID-19 therapeutic protocol and a subsequent outreach program.

    Quote from JedRothwell

    There is a reason for most viruses, in natural circumstances. The ones that cause severe disease often disable the patient, making it difficult to spread the disease. The ones that kill patients stop the chain of transmission. Patients with milder forms are more likely to infect other people. Over time, the severity of a contagious diseases infecting people, birds and other animals tends to moderate. That's a tendency, not a rule. There are exceptions. Influenza was widespread before 1918, but the 1918 variant was much more severe than others. But it was probably zoonotic and new to humans. Not something that evolved from previous human infections.


    It may be that social conditions and medical science change the rules for COVID, stopping it from getting milder. That would be unnatural.

    See the discussion in the link I gave - it is all a question of whether staying less ill increases transmission. It does not for COVID.

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