Quote from Alan Smith

SARS-CoV-2 seems to trigger an unbalanced response in our immune system, overstimulating the response of white blood cells and in some cases leading to ultra-inflammatory ‘cytokine storms’. The New Yorker combines on-the-ground reporting from virologist Benjamin Tenoever’s laboratory in New York City with a sweeping history of immunology to explore the fiendishly complicated relationship between us and our viral nemesis.

The New Yorker | 24 min read Reference: Cell paper

This is a great read, and shows why the scientific hubris about vaccines is really just scientific ignoramus.

The immune system is a great world, and we intercede as foreigners despite the best of science pointing in the other direction -- let the system do it's work. I believe that therapies exist (hello Vitamin D), and more can be made that are truly safe and effective - unfortunately we have an industry that is trading off very dangerous long term health for a specious perceived short term benefit.

Quote from Wyttenbach

Do not twist the nonsense (masks protect you!) you said into what I not said. Cheap standard masks the public uses do reduce the aerosol virus load by 70..80% not more! This is known since more than 10 years. But this gives you 5 times more time to go into a shop....

I can only repeat my warning: Masks do not protect you from an infection. They just reduce the risk to a tolerable level!

Yes, more tolerable.

Let's assume an extremely generous mask reduction of viral count by 70 percent. (20 percent may be more reasonable, but whatever.) So on exhale, 30 percent of viruses are released into the air. Another person who walks into that exhale has a mask that will cut that viral count by another 70 percent. So instead of 100 percent virus load it is .3 x .3 =~ 10 percent viral load.

In one minute an infected person can exhale from 1,000 to 100,000 viral particles.

https://www.medrxiv.org/conten…101/2020.05.31.20115154v1

That amounts to about 100 to 10,000 particles on one exhale. Let's call it 1,000. Say two people, one infected, *briefly* say hello up close. Now, all 1,000 particles are not going to get to the other person. Perhaps only one quarter of that viral count which is exhaled will even make it into the other person's inhale. So 250 virus particles. If both people are wearing masks, that reduces to about 25 virus particles.

But again I highly doubt a surgical mask blocks 70 percent of viral particles.

Here's a typical disclaimer on a box of surgical masks:

WARNING: This product is an ear loop mask. This product is not a respirator and will not provide any protection against COVID-19 or other viruses or contaminants. Wearing an ear loop mask does not reduce the risk of contracting any disease or infection.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. impugns the motives behind "The Lockdown" and suppression of

information on COVID-19 therapeutics

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.: Int'l. Message for Freedom and Hope

Excerpt -

"... [addressing those who ]protest this coup d'etat by Big Data, by Big Telecom, by Big Tech, by the Big Oil and chemical companies, by this global public health cartel led by Bill Gates and the W.H.O. that now amounts to $2,000,000,000,000 and wants to magnify and amplify its wealth and its power over our lives, over our liberties, that want to subvert our democracies and wants to destroy our sovereignty and our control over our lives ...

(then referencing former dictatorial regimes) the weapon of authoritarian control was going to be fear ... the job of the government is to put the people in fear, and if you can keep them in fear , you can get them to do anything that you want them to do, that they will turn into sheep... authoritarian elements in society and large corporations, and wealthy plutocrats and oligarchs, wealthy families and individuals, use crises to shift wealth upward, to obliterate the middle classes of those countries and to clamp down totalitarian controls....

The people who want to do that - the large corporations who want to orchestrate that kind of change - have to get rid of civil rights. And the first civil right that they begin with is freedom of speech ... All ... other rights can only be subverted if they begin imposing censorship - by being able to silence people...

So the coup d'etat that we are fighting today... starts with a conspiracy between the government agencies and the big technology companies that Silicon Valley billionaires - people like Zuckerberg and Bill Gates - and the people who run Google, and Facebook, and Pinterest, and all of thees other Silicon Valley corporations who are now in this conspiracy... to make sure.. we cannot say bad things about pharmaceutical products. We cannot question government policies that make no sense to us. ...

We want to know about hydroxychloroquine. We want to know why we are spending $18 billion on vaccines and only $1.4 billion on therapeutic drugs. What is the sense of that? ... the people who are getting richest from this quarantine are the same people who are censoring criticism of the quarantine....

What the Big Tech villains and scoundrels, and Mark Zuckerberg, and Jeffrey Bezos, and Bill Gates, and Tony Fauci want you to do is they want us fighting with each other. They want blacks fighting against whites. They want republicans fighting against democrats, they want everbody polarized, they want everbody fragmented... The enemy is Big Tech, Big Data, Big Pharma, the medical cartel, ... "

Covid Camps on CDC website

https://www.lewrockwell.com/20…vid-camps-on-cdc-website/

https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru…pproach-humanitarian.html

Scientists have found evidence of immune cells responding to Covid-19 six months after people were infected.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54781496

Quote from Fm1

Scientists have found evidence of immune cells responding to Covid-19 six months after people were infected.

About 80% of all people here in Europe have a T-Cell response to CoV-19 found even in very old blood sample. The question is: To what degree (fully?) do the T-Cell protect you? It is well known that you can get any corona 2-3 times before you have a longer lasting immunity. Thus the positive tested will not disappear for a long time!

Quote from Wyttenbach

About 80% of all people here in Europe have a T-Cell response to CoV-19

Link please... As the BMJ reckons this is another Wyttenfact.

The 'enemy' is the Seven Ringmasters who are immortal Vampyres partially described in Tolkein's Lord of the Rings. Only Joking!!!!. But you all know who the seven top billionaires are, don't we all, and it includes the Catholic POPE!!!!! Emperor Xi !!!!!! D. Trump!!!!! Jeff Bezos!!!!! Bill Gates!!!! Kim Jong Un (and his sister)!!!!! Prince Charles (Windsor Chapter)!!!!! For starters, then include all their minions of their dynastic families. No conspiracy here, its just real life - business as usual for Planet Earth which is about to blow itself to smithereens in a nuclear holocaust. Oh what a lovely War!!!!!! Well the virus didn't work so why not try nuclear weapons next to reduce the World population????

Well that was a conversation stopper, am I being over dramatic?

For people interested in real data here the Swiss details: https://github.com/openZH/covid_19

We (ZH) have tripled our total in cases during 1 month. But total of deaths rose only 1/3. So overall CFR is down by a factor of 9 and looks like being 0.2% currently. But deaths occur in clusters look at "FR" the most beaten location with positive rate of 50%!

Most locations have an ICU rate of 10% of hospitalizations. Only hot spots are so far overloaded. But if you look at the dynamics, the picture can change within 2-3 weeks.

We have no central lock down so far as said only hot spots are critical. Other countries simply have no nerves.

Not sure if "no nerves" might better fit to Switzerland than to other countries... the exponential growth in CH is more than worrying, if you compare the approx. 10.000 new cases in your small country. With that rate Germany would have ca. 100000 new cases per day related to the population....

I do really hope that your healthcare system is able to deal with that, what is to come.

Quote from Wyttenbach

We (ZH) have tripled our total in cases during 1 month. But total of deaths rose only 1/3. So overall CFR is down by a factor of 9 and looks like being 0.2% currently.

You can't make that extrapolation yet. It takes many weeks for some patients to die. The deaths lag more than they do for things like influenza. It also takes much longer to recover than influenza, and many so-called "long haul" patients have serious after-effects that may last a lifetime.

Here is a long, heartbreaking article about the effects of COVID-19 on the Buford Highway neighborhood in Atlanta. This is about 2 miles from my house:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/1…vid-business-atlanta.html

(I believe this article and others about COVID are available without a paywall.)

Early COVID-19 Therapy with Azithromycin Plus Nitazoxanide, Ivermectin or

Hydroxychloroquine in Outpatient Settings Significantly Reduced Symptoms

Compared to Known Outcomes in Untreated Patients.

ABSTRACT: "...Early pharmacological approaches including azithromycin in

combination with any of the options between nitazoxanide, ivermectin or optionally

hydroxychloroquine should be considered for those diagnosed with COVID-19

presenting less than seven days of symptoms. Of the three drugs, we opted for

nitazoxanide, due to more extensive demonstration of in vitro and in vivo antiviral

activity, proven efficacy against other viruses in humans, and steadier safety profile."

https://www.medrxiv.org/conten…10.31.20223883v1.full.pdf

Low dose hydroxychloroquine is associated with lower mortality in COVID-19:

a meta-analysis of 26 studies and 44,521 patients

https://www.medrxiv.org/conten…11.01.20223958v1.full.pdf

Drbeen Medical Lectures

Good News Ivermectin Reduces Mortality In COVID-19 Patients

Indian Study -

Ivermectin prophylaxis leads to 73 per cent reduction in Covid infection

https://www.newindianexpress.c…neswar-study-2219438.html

Role of ivermectin in the prevention of COVID-19 infection among healthcare

workers in India: A matched case-control study

https://www.medrxiv.org/conten…10.29.20222661v1.full.pdf

Quote from JedRothwell

You can't make that extrapolation yet. It takes many weeks for some patients to die. The deaths lag more than they do for things like influenza.

This heavily depends on the age group affected and on the event where people got the dose. I studied the Swiss data and found some unpleasant correlations. High load infection + age is a true boost for death. Such deaths can be assumed when the statistics shows a short burst in deaths. Our famous Yodel event very likely caused more than 20 deaths (within 10 days) what is confirmed by the statistics. Same for care home deaths. The high virus load in FR (50% positive tested) caused similar problems. The average age to hospital is also very high.

The only thing that should not happen is one more increase by 2-3x! (Already seen in some parts now under full lock down) The other risks is missing medication of people with preconditions. This could also cause fast increasing numbers in ICU.

Challenges in creating herd immunity to SARS-CoV-2 infection by mass vaccination

https://www.thelancet.com/jour…-6736(20)32318-7/fulltext

Anti-mink protocol anyone?

https://www.marketwatch.com/st…4590296?mod=mw_latestnews

Here an overview article for refreshing the memory about corona cross immunity with CoV-19.Covid-19: Do many people have pre-existing immunity?

Most referenced papers deal with single issues so the full extent of all acquired immunity is the sum of the disjoint mechanism.

The best live tests we have are Diamond Princess (>80%) and some heavily cleaned care homes. So even among the most vulnerable age >85 50% in the worst case are "immune" against CoV-19. Here immune means: All immune might get a positive nasal CoV-19 test but no symptoms!! So be also aware that 80% of the so called positive tested are immune in the sense that they develop no illness/ or major symptoms or no stronger symptoms than you would get from a vaccination!

These figures are in line with hospitalizations (2-3% of positive tested) in the north of our country. But you have to multiply such figures for more exposed regions like our south or UK.

An actual extension of post: Munich 4x more infected than known = >75% are immune show no symptoms

In German: http://www.klinikum.uni-muench…_KoCo19_Epi_dt_041120.pdf

Just a quick note to Professor Witty - we wouldn't need a national lockdown if every responsible citizen was given a supply of ANTI-BAT (TM). We can start it in the UK then sell it to the Rest of the World, patents pending with DRUGS.com. Let's see how it pans out, I just hope the government agencies will come to their senses soon and start listening to the pharmacological and biochemical evidence rather than relying solely on epidemiology. Ferguson & Co at Imperial College have had their say, let University College London take over. Please, I am asking nicely before I ram the FACTS DOWN YOUR THROATS!!!!!

Interview~ Dr. Hector Carvallo: Pioneer In Ivermectin, Iota Carrageenan, Bromhexine And COVID-19

Q. For those who follow the WHO?...

Carvallo. the blind following the blind. TM 10.20

Is ivermectin the Remdesivir of the poor people

Carvallo.. No. the difference is that Ivermectin actually works. TM.11.35