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Quote from Wyttenbach

Today we can easily treat both (bubonic plague and tetanus) no so Ebola.

Again you miss the point. We can treat them with medical science. Antibiotics in the case of the plague. If we do not treat them, they are as dangerous as they ever were.

Quote from Roseland67

This is SOP Jed, his CNN training if you will.

Pick the absolute worst possible outcome,

no matter how unique, unusual and rare,

Nope. Simple arithmetic. After 10 months it is not likely the survival rate will increase with improved medical care. The case mortality rate has not improved in the last several months. So, if we are not going to vaccinate, which is what Wyttenbach wants, the epidemic must run its natural course until we reach herd immunity. Whether that takes months or years, that is the only way it will stop. So, all you have to do is estimate how many more people it takes to reach herd immunity, which is now estimated at around 75% of the population. (It will be much higher if the new virus from the UK dominates, and increases the infection rate.) That's 247 million, compared to how many have already been sick and died, which is ~40 million. So, 6 times the total number of patients so far will have to get sick. Anyone can see the total dead will be ~2 million. Another ~1.6 million more than have already died.

If you don't think so, why don't you do the numbers? What is your estimate?

Wyttenbach and the other anti-vaccination lunatics are in favor of killing millions more people to support of their crackpot theories. Do you agree with them?

The goal in the U.S. was to distribute and administer 20 million doses by January 1, 2021. There are reports that both numbers are much lower than this. However, this is probably not a major problem. The shipping delays will soon be resolved. The number of inoculations is probably much higher than the numbers reported so far. Probably, the tally will lag by days or weeks. Up until now, there has not been a need to keep track of inoculations on a daily basis. The total was always reported, but there was no urgency. The reporting systems are sometimes old and slow. The same is true of death certificates. They were never intended to be used to keep track of mortality on a daily basis. In some states, for some causes of deaths, they take weeks to be filed. See:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsrr/report001.pdf

QUOTE:

For overall deaths, on average 83.9% of death certificate records were available by 13 weeks (1 quarter), 95.2% by 26 weeks (2 quarters), and 99.1% by 39 weeks (3 quarters). For heart disease deaths, on average 81.4% were available by 13 weeks, 94.0% by 26 weeks, and 98.9% by 39 weeks. For drug overdose deaths, on average 37.8% were available by 13 weeks, 82.7% by 26 weeks, and 95.0% by 39 weeks. . . .

Quote from JedRothwell

Wyttenbach and the other anti-vaccination lunatics are in favor of killing millions more people to support of their crackpot theories. Do you agree with them?

Wyttenbach, this guy is a true poser. Anyone who uses anti-vax as a beat-down weapon in conversation is a promoter. The world has billions of people and thousands of things to promote, but he choose this now. There are hundreds of known things in the immune system to discuss, the drugs and treatments extensive (including the precious Ivermectin) and he says "without vaccines millions will die". Ya right.

Evidently he isn't even paid but thinks he is doing public service for a private group. And as for serious Covid - it looks to be an interesting post-viral syndrome that may have 100% more to do with that sub-group's comorbidities rather than THE INFECTION AT ALL.

Put in Grade 2 speak: If 99.8% of dolphins around the world don't die from a condition, but some group 5% or so get very sick and 0.2% die --- is it possible these dolphins were susceptible to begin with, and that their terrain (the water in their habitat -- living in an acquarium, or poison in the water in that area, or retroviruses they carried from shots they were given, or metabolic diseases) had been damaged? Hopefully with Grade 2 speak the inane promotion stops and a pause for thought occurs.

Quote from Navid

There are hundreds of known things in the immune system to discuss, the drugs and treatments extensive (including the precious Ivermectin) and he says "without vaccines millions will die". Ya right.

330,000 Americans have died. That is a fact. If there was some magical cure other than a vaccine, such as you claim, it is likely someone would have discovered it by now. The doctors would not hide it and deliberately kill people. Doctors and nurses are suffering from extreme mental distress seeing so many people die. They are not monsters. It is conceivable they have overlooked a cure and you are some sort of supreme medical genius who knows more than they know. I think that is unlikely.

No other epidemic in history has ever been stopped except by herd immunity, or by a vaccine, which is exactly the same thing, only without all the deaths. No epidemic has ever been cured with the kind of hocus-pocus witch-doctor cures you and Wyttebach advocate.

Quote from JedRothwell

330,000 Americans have died. That is a fact. If there was some magical cure other than a vaccine, such as you claim, it is likely someone would have discovered it by now. The doctors would not hide it and deliberately kill people. Doctors and nurses are suffering from extreme mental distress seeing so many people die. They are not monsters. It is conceivable they have overlooked a cure and you are some sort of supreme medical genius who knows more than they know. I think that is unlikely.

No other epidemic in history has ever been stopped except by herd immunity, or by a vaccine, which is exactly the same thing, only without all the deaths. No epidemic has ever been cured with the kind of hocus-pocus witch-doctor cures you and Wyttebach advocate.

This is not science - this is not even journalism - the screed you wrote is a type of fear-mongering call to authority that is the mark of pseudo-science.

Let's deconstruct and we can use this template for all future screeds

a) People died | Tautology about life - Covid is a label for many types of deaths including iatrogenic and lockdown

b) Doctors prove people died and no other cure | False appeal to authority - Doctors behavior is proof of nothing

c) You [insert person to bash] aren't smarter than all doctors and you aren't supreme genius | Ad hominem attack and False-dichotomy since many doctors are promoting Ivermectin (in the hundreds at least who ran studies)

d) No other solution without deaths| False dilemma - it's not vaccines or killing people - we know we have some immunity in population 40-50% exists between natural infection and T-Cell cross reactivity and NK cells in young, we know that drugs arent being used at all early which should be, and we can and should protect the vulnerable better (nursing homes, medical staff)

If you want to know why the v-industry is past-century technology you need to understand that viruses and bacteria are normal.

ONLY EXTREME IDIOCY keeps this game going. Here you can see all of the steps in mitochondrial energy synthesis. You can get ME/CFS but have vastly different dysregulated conditions -- -one person could have HIV another has E.Coli. And "pathogens" can go from positive or neutral function, to negative function (ie true pathogenicity) based on the interaction with a community. So does s. aureus by itself cause disease NO. If you could wipe out the microbiome from your body, you would literally die.

One single study looking for viruses "Uncovering the Earth's Virome" in 2016 increased the known viruses by 16-fold. The next 20 years will show that this fear of viruses was a complete joke and that system health was critical. Oh, and stopping doing zoonotic experiments in private labs and the world won't need to keep going through this theatrical production every few years. Please and thanks!

Quote from Toffoli

Vaccine Death Coverup Implodes Worldwide

A bit to much nonsense of an extremist pro-Trump site. We know that Pandermix was a big blow in Europe (but not in the USA) because of a dirty add-on...

The real scandal is that V-D3 (High dose - not what WHO recommends) + Zinc prevents the flue and if you get it then Ivermectin works as well as with CoV-19.

So what makes big-pharma + WHO a bunch of criminals is the fact of information withholding and the banning of the best drugs we have.

Best drugs banned in the west or only available for wealthy people up for to 100..1000x the official WHO prize.

Praziquantel: Eliminates most flukes also in brain and prevents bile, pancreas,liver cancer and at least 50% of the brain strokes.

Ivermectin: Works against most known virus. Helped to cut down the Zikka epidemic before it became a pandemic!

LSD: Can resolve most deep psychic disorders.

Canabis extracts (pure - not what you smoke...): Can replace most known painkillers and relaxing medications.

Methadon: A good soft chemo for many cancers.

H2O2/Ozon : Can (not always!) reduce the needed dose of chemo/Radiation more than 10x the same for fasting (abrosia) ahead of a chemo/Radiation.

Be also aware of the current Nazi tendency in the daily news, fueled by big pharma, that would like to give you "C" in your passport for a CoV-19 vaccination!

WHO warns Covid-19 pandemic is ‘not necessarily the big one’

https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

World Health Organization experts have warned that even though the coronavirus pandemic has been very severe, it is “not necessarily the big one”, and that the world will have to learn to live with Covid-19.

The “destiny” of the virus is to become endemic, even as vaccines begin to be rolled out in the US and UK, says Professor David Heymann, the chair of the WHO’s strategic and technical advisory group for infectious hazards.

It appears the destiny of SARS-CoV-2 [Covid-19] is to become endemic, as have four other human coronaviruses, and that it will continue to mutate as it reproduces in human cells, especially in areas of more intense admission.

china being transparent ???

Nearly half a million people may have had Covid-19 in Wuhan, study shows. That's almost 10 times the official figure

https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

(CNN)Nearly half a million residents in the Chinese city where the novel coronavirus first emerged may have been infected with Covid-19 -- almost 10 times its official number of confirmed cases, according to a study by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

The study used a sample of 34,000 people in the general population in Wuhan -- the original epicenter of the pandemic -- and other cities in Hubei province, as well as Beijing, Shanghai, and the provinces of Guangdong, Jiangsu, Sichuan and Liaoning to estimate Covid-19 infection rates.

Go read this New Yorker report on the failed response to COVID-19 in the US

Dozens of choices made the pandemic a catastrophe

https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

Without the test kits, contact tracing was stymied; without contact tracing, there was no obstacle in the contagion’s path. America never once had enough reliable tests distributed across the nation, with results available within two days. By contrast, South Korea, thanks to universal public insurance and lessons learned from a 2015 outbreak of MERS, provided free, rapid testing and invested heavily in contact tracing, which was instrumental in shutting down chains of infection. The country has recorded some fifty thousand cases of COVID. The U.S. now reports more than four times that number per day.

U.S. could be missing the new Covid variant ‘because the holes in our net are too wide,' expert says

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/…our-net-are-too-wide.html

The new, highly transmissible coronavirus strain could be circulating undetected in the U.S., according to one expert, missed because of Covid-19 testing challenges.

Interesting study's and results that main stream media as well as NIH ignore!

What we’ve learned about how our immune system fights COVID-19

A year into the pandemic, our understanding of immune responses to the coronavirus has skyrocketed. But more questions—such as how long immunity lasts—still need answers.

https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

Our fundamental comprehension of immune responses to the coronavirus has grown significantly, but more questions—like the longevity of immunity—are still to be answered, especially amid concerns that mutations may help SARS-CoV-2 evade our immunological defenses. With vaccination on the horizon for many at-risk individuals, the immune response’s intricacies are even more critical to understand.

In a pivotal paper in June, researchers showed for the first time that recovered patients made not only coronavirus-specific antibodies—proteins designed to glom on and often neutralize an invader—but also elicited strong levels of killer T cells and helper T cells. Killer T cells recognize and destroy your own infected cells, an intentional bout of collateral damage intended to prevent a virus’s spread. Meanwhile, helper T cells aid that process and coordinate the maturation of antibodies.

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china being transparent ???

Nearly half a million people may have had Covid-19 in Wuhan, study shows. That's almost 10 times the official figure

https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

(CNN)Nearly half a million residents in the Chinese city where the novel coronavirus first emerged may have been infected with Covid-19 -- almost 10 times its official number of confirmed cases, according to a study by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

This report comes from the Chinese CDC, a government agency. Therefore, China is being transparent. If it was not, this report would not see the light of day. Perhaps they covered up some deaths when the coronavirus first emerged, but I expect that is not reason for the initial underestimate. I expect it was caused by insufficient testing, and by the chaos during the first months.

Pakistan, India report cases of coronavirus variant: Live news

https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

Pakistan and India are the latest countries to report first cases of the new, highly contagious coronavirus variant detected in the UK.

At least three cases were detected in travellers from the UK who arrived in Pakistan.

India reported six people who travelled from the UK to be carrying the variant.

Quote from Shane D.

Amazing what you can accomplish with an online army of commentators:

“China has a politically weaponized system of censorship; it is refined, organized, coordinated and supported by the state’s resources,” said Xiao Qiang, a research scientist at the School of Information at the University of California, Berkeley, and the founder of China Digital Times.

All that is true, but as I just wrote, the Chinese CDC reported that the initial number of infections was 10 times greater than originally thought. Therefore it is not covering up the information you just quoted. Not now, anyway. There is no doubt the Chinese government is good at covering things up. But as I have said before, no government can do this completely. Even Stalin's government was not able to completely suppress the truth.