Indonesia invents breath-based COVID-19 detector
Research team at Gadjah Mada University has developed GeNose C19 in over 9 months
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/lates…covid-19-detector/2091256
Indonesian researchers have invented a tool to detect COVID-19 infection through a patient's breath.
The tool, called GeNose C19, had received a distribution permit from Indonesia’s Health Ministry on Dec. 24, and will soon be mass-produced, said Research and Technology Minister Bambang Brodjonegoro.
All that is true, but as I just wrote, the Chinese CDC reported that the initial number of infections was 10 times greater than originally thought. Therefore it is not covering up the information you just quoted. Not now, anyway. There is no doubt the Chinese government is good at covering things up. But as I have said before, no government can do this completely. Even Stalin's government was not able to completely suppress the truth.
Sure, in today's world a complete cover-up for eternity is nearly impossible, but still very effective in the short term. In this case the Chinese propaganda machine was able to create a very favorable, but untrue narrative that served their purpose well in the early stages of the virus....a period I recall you claimed to take them at their word.
Now, well after the fact, as the real story is slowly bled out, it is much less damaging. That is what propaganda is meant to do, and they did it well. Humans are suckers for this stuff, and why it has been done for centuries.
Now that we know they have this army of online disinformation soldiers, can we ever trust them again? Not that I ever did.
In this case the Chinese propaganda machine was able to create a very favorable, but untrue narrative that served their purpose well in the early stages of the virus....a period I recall you claimed to take them at their word.
I still do take them at their word. "Them" being the medical establishment and Chinese CDC. I do not take the rest of the government at their word.
The same applies to the U.S. CDC and the Georgia and Florida Departments of Health. These three agencies are trying to tell the truth. They have been forced to hide facts, and to lie at times, but for the most part they have told the truth. Whereas the Trump administration and the governors of Georgia and Florida have often brazenly lied. Their lies have been so transparent, and so ridiculous, they would embarrass a Stalinist nomenklatura. I mean, for example, publishing documents with every word and number blacked out. Or suddenly reducing the number of dead reported a week before the election in Florida. Did they think no one would notice the abrupt drop in numbers?
The Chinese CDC stats have been backed up by independent investigations. Their advice to the rest of the world relayed through the WHO was spot on. Countries that followed it avoided catastrophe (so far, anyway). Countries that ignored it such as the U.S. suffered hundreds of thousands of totally avoidable deaths, and millions of cases.
On February 25, Alward from the WHO spelled out the information given to him by China, and the advice they gave. If we had followed this advice, 10 to 100 times fewer people would have died. All the claims that China covered up, or that the WHO covered up, are wrong. They revealed everything you need to know, and counties such as S. Korea that heeded their advice avoided the catastrophe. Here is the video:
Now, well after the fact, as the real story is slowly bled out, it is much less damaging.
The fact that the original estimate of cases in China was far too low did not "slowly bleed out." This was reported in March and April, by Chinese sources. It was confirmed by the WHO epidemiologists and others. It has been common knowledge the whole time. The details and more precise numbers may not have been published until now.
The reasons for this underestimate are quite clear. The initial severe outbreak in New York City was also underestimated, for the same set of reasons. It overwhelmed the ability to test, or keep track of cases. It even overwhelmed the ability to treat patients. Many died at home, and were never counted as COVID-19 victims. Later, the approximate totals were estimated by counting excess deaths and other indirect evidence. More accurate totals in Wuhan and New York City will never be known.
Display MoreIndonesia invents breath-based COVID-19 detector
Research team at Gadjah Mada University has developed GeNose C19 in over 9 months
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/lates…covid-19-detector/2091256
Indonesian researchers have invented a tool to detect COVID-19 infection through a patient's breath.
The tool, called GeNose C19, had received a distribution permit from Indonesia’s Health Ministry on Dec. 24, and will soon be mass-produced, said Research and Technology Minister Bambang Brodjonegoro.
Wonderful,
Build the hardware, develop an APP for a cell phone, instant useful feedback.
Was wondering how long this would take.
Hope to see it next year maybe?
I still do take them at their word. "Them" being the medical establishment and Chinese CDC. I do not take the rest of the government at their word.
Can they be independent from the government in a communist country?
I doubt it, but anyway...Russia has started to bleed out their true casualties also: https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/29…l-numbers-intl/index.html
Seems that when there are too may bodies to hide, oppressive regimes have a change of heart and only then begin the slow process of filtering out the real numbers.
UK variant linked to high viral loads, Neanderthal gene offers protection
https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
The highly infectious COVID-19 coronavirus variant that has been circulating in Britain is linked to higher loads of the virus in the blood, according to a research report published on medRxiv on Sunday ahead of peer review. Around 35% of patients infected by the variant form had very high levels of the virus in their samples, compared to 10% of patients without the variant, study leader Michael Kidd of Public Health England and Birmingham University told Reuters. Higher viral loads have been linked with worse COVID-19 outcomes. The tests were conducted at the Birmingham Turnkey Lab. Kidd said additional study was needed to confirm or refute the findings. If confirmed, he hopes scientists will investigate how this particular variant manages to make more copies of itself in infected patients. (bit.ly/3nUEJrr)
Can they be independent from the government in a communist country?
I doubt it, but anyway...
Yes, they can be independent. The proof is in the pudding. They are, in fact, somewhat independent. Not completely, of course. Everyone knows the government tried to keep the pandemic secret at first, hoping it would go away I guess. You see the scientists are somewhat independent because they have repeatedly described failures such as their inability to keep track of cases in the first month of the pandemic. If they were fully under the thumb of the government, that fact would not have been brought out in March or described in detail today. The government could easily order the Chinese CDC to lie about the number of deaths, but it has not done that.
By the same token, in a corrupt democratic government run by idiots, such as we suffer from in Georgia, the Public Health Department is less independent than it should be. The governor literally covers up the data, by blacking out every word and number in official documents.
In China, universities and scientific institutions have a degree of political power and control over their own affairs that other institutions do not have, because there is a tradition going back thousands of years of respecting academic learning. The Chinese public respects and believes academic scientists more than it believes leading politicians. That makes it awkward for the government to suppress academic science. Not impossible, but awkward.
Seems that when there are too may bodies to hide, oppressive regimes have a change of heart and only then begin the slow process of filtering out the real numbers.
There was no delay in this instance. In March they said that the number of cases and deaths for the previous months were underestimated. So did the public health department in New York. For the same reasons, as I said. As far as I know, only the Florida public health department tried to cover up deaths, just before the election, and it took about a month for the filter to fail and the real numbers to be published. In Georgia, the governor repeatedly lied about the number of people who died in various facilities, such as specific nursing homes. He claimed there were no deaths in some where dozens of people died. However, the overall number of deaths was correct as far as I know. The government just refused to say where the people died, and when asked about specific facilities, they lied.
Amazing what you can accomplish with an online army of commentators:
Here the same happens orchestrated by the FM/R/J mafia.
- Is there and early HCQ treatment protocol in place ?
- Did you read about Ivermectin treatment in a mainstream journal - hear of it in a main-stream TV channel?
If you didn't notice so it far: We - our state mafia - works the same as China, except that underground channels still can work! But how long??
Pakistan and India are the latest countries to report first cases of the new, highly contagious coronavirus variant detected in the UK.
The UK virus is not new. This is an invented fact to generated more suppression and force people into vaccination. Several countries so far did report that the UK virus circulates since November with no increase in cases. May be this virus just fits best the UK population - nothing else. It's no surprise at all, as the UK still has not distributed high dose V-D3, Zink to its citizens, what would be the barest minimum they could do! But then they would need also no flu vaccines...
Did you read about Ivermectin treatment in a mainstream journal
Right here:
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04668469
It is a negative result, which is not what you want to hear, but that doesn't mean it is wrong. On the contrary, anything you believe to be true is probably false.
Here the same happens orchestrated by the FM/R/J mafia.
- Is there and early HCQ treatment protocol in place ?- Did you read about Ivermectin treatment in a mainstream journal - hear of it in a main-stream TV channel?
If you didn't notice so it far: We - our state mafia - works the same as China, except that underground channels still can work! But how long??
Except for calling it "mafia", I have to agree with you. With the social media giants joining forces with the lib media, multinational corporations, government bureaucracies, and the left, we now have in place a system of suppression, and censorship very similar to communism.
Ivermectin, HCQ are just two examples of how it works in the health care sciences to snuff out any dissension of the accepted narrative. Same thing is happening socially, but on a much greater scale.
Strange, and scary new world we live in...if you are on the wrong side.
Good joke: This is just the official publication (launch) of the Egypt study with a fantastic result... Get a Whisky first!
Efficacy and Safety of Ivermectin for Treatment and prophylaxis of COVID-19 Pandemic.pdf
UK scientists trial drug to prevent infection that leads to Covid
https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
British scientists are trialling a new drug that could prevent someone who has been exposed to coronavirus from going on to develop the disease Covid-19, which experts say could save many lives.
The drug involves a long-acting antibody combination known as AZD7442, which has been developed by AstraZeneca. Rather than antibodies produced by the body to help fight an infection, AZD7442 uses monoclonal antibodies, which have been created in a laboratory.
Ivermectin, HCQ are just two examples of how it works in the health care sciences to snuff out any dissension of the accepted narrative.
That is nonsense. Three major tests of HCQ were performed. It is the most extensively tested therapeutic in the COVID-19 pandemic. The results were described in great detail in the leading journals. The results were negative. It is possible the methodology was wrong. Perhaps the drug was administered at the wrong stage of the disease. Perhaps future research will show that it works after all, under different conditions. But for now, the most informed conclusion is that HCQ does not have a significant positive effect. If this were not a medical emergency and the researchers could spend years looking into this perhaps they would come up with a more nuanced answer, showing it works in some ways but not others.
Ivermectin was also given a fair trial.
Furthermore, no information has been suppressed. Everything about these trials is available on line, both the positive and negative tests.
It often happens that what looks like a cure in one era turns out not to work. Sometimes a medical technique is used for a while, then dismissed as useless or even dangerous, and then used again. Leeches, for example, are now used after surgery to avoid blood clotting. Thalidomide, which caused one of the worst disasters in medical history, is now in use again for certain conditions.
Good joke: This is just the official publication (launch) of the Egypt study with a fantastic result...
For any medical technique or experimental physics you can always find a positive result. Even a fantastic result. Cold fusion is full of "fantastic results" that were, in fact, dead wrong. No result is fantastic until it is widely replicated. No result should be believed until it is widely replicated. (As a corollary, nothing that you say should ever be believed, period, since you have a near perfect record of being wrong.)
The Problem of ‘Long Haul’ COVID
More and more patients are dealing with major symptoms that linger for months
https://www.scientificamerican…oblem-of-long-haul-covid/
Over the past few months evidence has mounted about the serious long-term effects of COVID-19,” said the World Health Organization Director-General, Tedros Adhanom, at an international long-COVID forum on December 9. At the same event, Danny Altmann, an immunologist at London’s Imperial College, said that his “guesstimate is that we probably have way more than five million people on the planet with long COVID.” The worldwide percentages of infection suggest that many of those people are living and suffering in the U.S.
That is nonsense. Three major tests of HCQ were performed. It is the most extensively tested therapeutic in the COVID-19 pandemic. The results were described in great detail in the leading journals. The results were negative. It is possible the methodology was wrong. Perhaps the drug was administered at the wrong stage of the disease. Perhaps future research will show that it works after all, under different conditions. But for now, the most informed conclusion is that HCQ does not have a significant positive effect. If this were not a medical emergency and the researchers could spend years looking into this perhaps they would come up with a more nuanced answer, showing it works in some ways but not others.
Ivermectin was also given a fair trial.
There were many more than "three major tests":
Hard to look at that list of 216 studies (153 peer reviewed) and conclude "the results were negative". BTW; 100% of the early treatment studies, and 77% of the late reported positive effects of HCQ treatment.
With so much going for it, HCQ should have been in wide use here in the US and Europe, but it is not. That is because those good results were buried under an avalanche of politically motivated negativity. Instead of being heralded, it was panned as dangerous, ineffective, and unproven by the tech giants, left, and the media (including some on Fox News).
Doctors and hospital systems wanting to incorporate it into their standard of care, were cast as irresponsible... causing almost all to quietly withdraw their requests.
Had you been following all the posts here, you would also know that Ivermectin has proven itself eve more effective than HCQ.
It is a negative result, which is not what you want to hear, but that doesn't mean it is wrong. On the contrary, anything you believe to be true is probably false.
It is a negative result?????
No results posted.. please read the document properly..
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It is a negative result?????
No results posted.. please read the document properly..
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Jed, why do you say the Ivermectin study you referenced was a negative result? You need to look more carefully at the data.
RobertBryant, It's hard to find the results in the link you provided (it might not be there at all as far as I can see). But here is a report on that study by Dr. Ahmed Elgazzar from Egypt:
https://trialsitenews.com/benh…-covid-19-as-prophylaxis/
Involving 600 subjects, the study design split the patients by 400 symptomatic patients confirmed with COVID-19; 200 health care and house hold contacts distributed over 6 groups including summarized by the following:
Dr. Ahmed Elgazzar and team reported that among health care and household contacts, the use of Ivermectin materially reduced the incidence of both infections in health care as well as household contacts down to 2%, compared to 10% in the non-Ivermectin group.
