Quote from JedRothwell

Of course there are experts. Do you think the vaccine fell out of the sky? Do you think the case mortality rate fell from 6% to 2% on its own, by coincidence? There were experts in virology and the coronavirus specifically before this outbreak. Unfortunately, they were mostly ignored by government leaders and by the public in the U.S. In countries where the public listened to them, the infection and death rates are 10 to 100 times lower than the U.S.

Of course there are no experts on Covid 19.

If there were, we would KNOW why some people are asymptotic and why some are not.

Why some require immediate O2 for days and some never go to the hospital.

What some die and others don’t.

Why China, a country 4x the population of the US has almost 90x LESS infections.

What some people get infected again and why some don’t.

What’s different about all of these?

No one knows why, because we don’t have enough data and it hasn’t been analyzed and correlated thoroughly

We’re getting smarter, no doubt, but experts?

Please stop..

Quote from Roseland67

Of course there are no experts on Covid 19.

If there were, we would KNOW why some people are asymptotic and why some are not.

Why some require immediate O2 for days and some never go to the hospital.

First, experts never know everything. But, the experts in this subject know a whole library full of stuff that most people do not know. How else do you think they managed to develop the vaccines? By trial and error? With an Ouija Board? They did it with science. That's s-c-i-e-n-c-e, meaning they understand how nature works, and how viruses work, and so on. Also, they have many wonderful gadgets that tell them what is happening, such as the machines that sequenced the DNA of the virus within days of the outbreak. How can you possibly maintain that people who have the complete genome, and who know how genomes work, are not experts? What the hell are you thinking? Try comparing them to doctors and researchers in 1918. This is a lot like saying that the people who send robot explorers to Mars are not rocket scientists. What else would they be?

Second, I am sure there are experts who have a good idea why some people are asymptomatic, but others require O2. They may not always be right, but they can probably predict the prognosis for many patients.

While waiting for surgery last spring, I eavesdropped on doctors and nurses discussing COVID-19. They knew WAY, WAY MORE than the self-appointed genius experts here.

Now there is pressure to use ivermectin!

A court had to force a hospital/"the treating doctors" to continue Ivermectin treatment of a patient that after two days of intake could leave ICU.

What do you think will happen next:

- The hospital will fire the first doctor that prescribed it?

- They will invent the story that all just lucky coincidence?

- Big Pharma will stop any project at this hospital?

- Rotary will hand over the revolver case to the responsible manager?

I suggest the family should sue the hospital/doctors for the intermediate stop of the treatment and make them liable for later damage at least for the added physical pain/stress.

Quote from Wyttenbach

A court had to force a hospital/"the treating doctors" to continue Ivermectin treatment of a patient that after two days of intake could leave ICU.

What do you think will happen next:

- The hospital will fire the first doctor that prescribed it?

- They will invent the story that all just lucky coincidence?

- Big Pharma will stop any project at this hospital?

- Rotary will hand over the revolver case to the responsible manager?

I suggest the family should sue the hospital/doctors for the intermediate stop of the treatment and make them liable for later damage at least for the added physical pain/stress.

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Let me add that now a legal president has been set, the knights of the keyboard will attack this as another example of political pressure, in turn taking the heat off the NIH, CDC and the FDA again turning a treatment into a political football.

New items from RFK, Jr's "The Defender" ---

China Health Experts Call for Suspension of COVID Vaccines as Norway Investigates 33 Deaths, Germany Probes 10 Deaths

Norway upped the number of deaths under investigation, from 23 last week to 33, while in Germany, health officials said they are investigating 10 deaths that occurred among elderly patients who received the COVID vaccine.

https://childrenshealthdefense…on-covid-vaccines-norway/

‘Important Victory’: Massachusetts Rescinds Flu Vaccine Mandate

Facing lawsuits, the Massachusetts Department of Public Health withdrew the mandate that would have required all students under age 30 attending Massachusetts schools to get a flu vaccine by Feb. 28.

https://childrenshealthdefense…inds-flu-vaccine-mandate/

Mexico’s Left-Wing President Schools America in Free Speech and Civil Rights

Andrés Manuel López Obrador refuses to allow corporations or health officials to use the pandemic as an excuse to restrict people’s liberty, preferring to place his trust in them to do the right thing.

https://childrenshealthdefense…-censorship-civil-rights/

California warns against using a batch of Moderna COVID-19 vaccines after allergic reactions

https://www.latimes.com/califo…alifornia-batch?_amp=true

California’s top epidemiologist told healthcare providers on Sunday to stop using a batch of Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine after a “higher than usual” number of people had apparent allergic reactions at a San Diego vaccination clinic.

Dr. Erica Pan, the state epidemiologist, said Sunday that “out of an extreme abundance of caution,” providers should stop using the doses until federal, state and company officials finish an investigation.

California has received about 330,000 doses from the Moderna lot in question — about 10% of all the vaccine, both Moderna’s and Pfizer’s, that have been distributed across the Golden State, officials said.

Quote from Lou Pagnucco

Facing lawsuits, the Massachusetts Department of Public Health withdrew the mandate that would have required all students under age 30 attending Massachusetts schools to get a flu vaccine by Feb. 28.

To many Mengeles survived WWII and obviously produced mentally corrupt children.

Promising vaccinated people a bonus just is a commercial for Eugenic something the USA did fight against in WWII...

The perfect techniques about "how to cheat people" can be studied at Harvard.

https://www.exed.hbs.edu/strategic-marketing-management/

Molecular dynamic simulation reveals E484K mutation enhances spike RBD-ACE2 affinity and the combination of E484K, K417N and N501Y mutations (501Y.V2 variant) induces conformational change greater than N501Y mutant alone, potentially resulting in an escape mutant

https://www.biorxiv.org/conten…/2021.01.13.426558v1.full

Abstract

Rapidly spreading SARS-CoV-2 variants present not only an increased threat to human health due to the confirmed greater transmissibility of several of these new strains but, due to conformational changes induced by the mutations, may render first-wave SARS-CoV-2 convalescent sera, vaccine-induced antibodies, or recombinant neutralizing antibodies (nAbs) ineffective. To be able to assess the risk of viral escape from neutralization by first-wave antibodies, we leveraged our capability for Molecular Dynamic (MD) simulation of the spike receptor binding domain (S RBD) and its binding to human angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (hACE2) to predict alterations in molecular interactions resulting from the presence of the E484K, K417N, and N501Y variants found in the South African 501Y.V2 strain – alone and in combination. We report here the combination of E484K, K417N and N501Y results in the highest degree of conformational alterations of S RBD when bound to hACE2, compared to either E484K or N501Y alone. Both E484K and N501Y increase affinity of S RBD for hACE2 and E484K in particular switches the charge on the flexible loop region of RBD which leads to the formation of novel favorable contacts. Enhanced affinity of S RBD for hACE2 very likely underpins the greater transmissibility conferred by the presence of either E484K or N501Y; while the induction of conformational changes may provide an explanation for evidence that the 501Y.V2 variant, distinguished from the B.1.1.7 UK variant by the presence of E484K, is able to escape neutralization by existing first-wave anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies and re-infect COVID-19 convalescent individuals

Quote from Fm1

https://www.biorxiv.org/conten…/2021.01.13.426558v1.full

A good summary of what a vaccine should do:

In vaccine design, it has been suggest that the makers of vaccines could keep up with viral evolution by continual alteration of the ‘payload’ - almost all vaccines in development use the spike sequence - to fit currently predominant strains. We suggest vaccines whose efficacies are largely dependent upon humoral responses to the S antigen only are inherently limited by the emergence of novel strains and dependent upon frequent re-design. In contrast, a vaccine that elicits a vigorous T-cell response that is far less subject to changes due to accruing mutations provides a better, more efficient approach to protection. The ideal vaccine would also deliver a second, conserved antigen such as the SARS-CoV-2 nucleocapsid protein, that very likely will elicit humoral and cell-mediated immune responses that will remain effective, even in the face of a rapidly changing virus.

Obviously Pfizer, Moderna are far from being a pandemic vaccine. There purpose was to make money as fast as possible. Please use a classic vaccine if you need it. The next mutation will potentially make you as sick as the current one, despite a Pfizer, Moderna vaccine in your body did produce a high number of now "outaged antibodies".

vit D3.. low hanging fruit from the sheep's back

two old thinking Brits..

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Report: 1 in 8 Recovered COVID-19 Patients Die Within 5 Months

Read Newsmax: Report: 1 in 8 Recovered COVID-19 Patients Die Within 5 Months | Newsmax.com

Almost one-third of patients who recovered from COVID-19 were readmitted to the hospital within five months and one in eight died, according to a report by Leicester University and the Office for National Statistics in the U.K. Statistics

Quote from Wyttenbach

A good summary of what a vaccine should do:

In vaccine design, it has been suggest that the makers of vaccines could keep up with viral evolution by continual alteration of the ‘payload’ - almost all vaccines in development use the spike sequence - to fit currently predominant strains. We suggest vaccines whose efficacies are largely dependent upon humoral responses to the S antigen only are inherently limited by the emergence of novel strains and dependent upon frequent re-design. In contrast, a vaccine that elicits a vigorous T-cell response that is far less subject to changes due to accruing mutations provides a better, more efficient approach to protection. The ideal vaccine would also deliver a second, conserved antigen such as the SARS-CoV-2 nucleocapsid protein, that very likely will elicit humoral and cell-mediated immune responses that will remain effective, even in the face of a rapidly changing virus.

Obviously Pfizer, Moderna are far from being a pandemic vaccine. There purpose was to make money as fast as possible. Please use a classic vaccine if you need it. The next mutation will potentially make you as sick as the current one, despite a Pfizer, Moderna vaccine in your body did produce a high number of now "outaged antibodies".

Duh. This was mentioned many times as the central problem of vaccines. You are dealing with an extremely complex system using 19th century thinking from the smallpox era. Why not let the natural system do it's work? (and support it with anti-virals)

And by the way, when the system can't fight it is usually because of some endemic immunocomprimise -- potentially even from vaccines. A flu vaccine is an immunosuppressive device, you can and will get Covid from it. A mask filled with bacteria will cause your body to mount an immune response, it is an immunosupprressive device, you can and will get Covid from it. The fact that people are suprised when someone gets Covid after a Covid vaccine, shows they don't know anything about immunology (glutathione, type 1 interferon).

new COVID-19 challenge: Mutations rise along with cases

https://apnews.com/article/us-…388965ee95cd1e324c4e239d8

The race against the virus that causes COVID-19 has taken a new turn: Mutations are rapidly popping up, and the longer it takes to vaccinate people, the more likely it is that a variant that can elude current tests, treatments and vaccines could emerge.

The coronavirus is becoming more genetically diverse, and health officials say the high rate of new cases is the main reason. Each new infection gives the virus a chance to mutate as it makes copies of itself, threatening to undo the progress made so far to control the pandemic.

On Friday, the World Health Organization urged more effort to detect new variants. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said a new version first identified in the United Kingdom may become dominant in the U.S. by March. Although it doesn’t cause more severe illness, it will lead to more hospitalizations and deaths just because it spreads much more easily, said the CDC, warning of “a new phase of exponential growth.”

Quote from Fm1

Although it doesn’t cause more severe illness, it will lead to more hospitalizations and deaths just because it spreads much more easily, said the CDC, warning of “a new phase of exponential growth.”

In the second wave we had 10x peak cases but not more hospitalization. These people are spreading fake news. The real problem is the lockdown and infected people staying home delivering high doses to their beloved. And of course the missing recommandation for FP98 mask!

And worst: When will the bribe suckers at FDA/WHO recommed Ivermectin ??

Another New Covid-19 Variant Discovered In L.A. Might Be Vaccine Resistant, Researcher Says; Strain First Identified In Denmark

https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

Two days after the Los Angeles Public Health Department announced that the much-talked-about UK variant of Covid-19, known as B.1.1.7, had been identified in the region, the California Department of Public Health revealed that another lesser-known strain had been circulating in the county as well.

Known as L452R, the newly announced arrival was first identified in Denmark in March. It showed up in California as early as May.

Dr. Charles Chiu, a virologist and professor of laboratory medicine at UCSF who, in concert with state authorities, has been genetically sequencing test samples to identify new variants said early indications are the L452R might be less susceptible to the currently approved vaccines, but more investigation is needed

Germany discovers new Covid variant among 35 hospital patients

https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

The altered virus was found in 35 of 73 newly-infected people in the hospital, Bavarian news outlet BR24 reported Monday. Samples are now reportedly being examined at the Charité university hospital in Berlin. CNBC contacted Germany's health ministry for confirmation of the reports.

Officials said the variant is different from recently discovered variants in the U.K. and South Africa.

(Video) DR SIMONE GOLD - THE TRUTH ABOUT CV19 VACCINE

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