Very nasty day on the COVID thread. It is becoming a race to the bottom to see who can be more insulting. Since we are in such a difficult political position trying to moderate this particular discussion, I would urge members to at least try and show some restraint.
Will give it another day, and if still bad we can talk about closing the thread for a 2 day break to let the passions die down a bit. Worked last time...for awhile at least.
It is becoming a race to the bottom to see who can be more insulting. Since we are in such a difficult political position trying to moderate this particular discussion,
Have you considered setting a rule that people should not be allowed to post blatant lies, or at least, they should cite sources for these lies? Why is it okay to fill this forum with false nonsense?
Have you considered setting a rule that people should not be allowed to post blatant lies, or at least, they should cite sources for these lies? Why is it okay to fill this forum with false nonsense?
A better rule would be to ban members from calling each other blatant liars. I have not seen one person here purposely lie. They make mistakes yes, are often wrong, misquote, misinterpret, but generally don't intend to deceive.
Fauci versus Fauci - FAUCI’S DOUBLE MASK DOUBLETAKE: JUST 3 DAYS APART!
https://www.bitchute.com/video/1ugcvfI7p4o/
Celiac disease drug, Larazotide Acetate, may block Covid
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33520943
Repurposed Hepatitis C antivirals as inhibitors of the SARS-CoV2 main protease
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33524017
Anti-hair-loss drug Cepharanthine, a naturally occurring alkaloid... suppresses all major components of viral replication and inflammation, including downregulation of nuclear factor‐kappa B, and limiting the production of nitric oxide, and cytokines, thereby inhibiting SARS‐CoV‐2's entry and replication...
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ijd.15410
Inactivation of SARS-CoV-2 by Catechins from Green Tea
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33518628
Methylene Blue Inhibits the SARS-CoV-2 Spike-ACE2 Protein-Protein Interaction-a
Mechanism that can Contribute to its Antiviral Activity Against COVID-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33519460
Modified egg white protein may block spike protein
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33519467
Flavonoid rutin may block Covid-19 several ways
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33520682
Repurposed drugs amprenavir, enalaprilat, and plerixafor may block Covid cell entry
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33520633
Can honeybee products help protect against the pandemic?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33519274
Aloe vera compounds may block Covid viral replication
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33518775
Mushroom-derived bioactive compounds may block Covid replication
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33520685
Anti-COVID-19 drug candidates: A review on potential biologicalactivities of natural products
-"quercetin...is proposed as a lead candidate with its ability... to inhibit SARS-CoVspike
protein-angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) interaction, viral protease and helicase activities,
as well as on the host cell side to inhibit ACE activity and increase intracellular zinc level."
https://reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/S222541102031289X
Two Pronged Approach for Prevention and Therapy of Covid-19 by a Multi-targeted herbal Drug
- Examined Ginger, Liquorice, Black peppe, Sweet Basil
Moupinamide proves to be the best ligand targeting both the therapeutic target proteins,
followed by Licochalcone, Coumaperine, Curcumin and 6-Dehydrogingerdione
Moupinamide present in Piper nigrum is the best fit since it binds strongly with both
essential proteins of SARS-Cov-2
https://www.sciencedirect.com/…cle/pii/S1876382020314499
The Scientific Foundation of Chinese Herbal Medicine against COVID-19
- Identifies potentially anti-Covid-19 herbs and phytochemicals
https://www.sciencedirect.com/…cle/pii/S2095809920302368
Inactivation of SARS-CoV-2 by Catechins from Green Tea
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33518628
Anti-COVID-19l activity of sulfated polysaccharides from marine algae
- potent antiviral activity, includes carrageenan, agar, ulvan, fucoidan, and alginates
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33521606
New Potential Antiviral Constituents of Moringa oliefera for SARS-COV-2
- ellagic acid and apigenin possess the highest binding affinities
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33518774
Antioxidant, anti-inflammatory and senolytic Covid-19 therapies
Researchers should also conduct clinical trials to verify the efficacy of antioxidant, anti-inflammatory,
and senolytic therapeutics that may attenuate the proposed long-term effects on ECs
https://www.frontiersin.org/ar…89/fphys.2020.605908/full
A computational approach for the screening of potential antiviral compounds against
SARS-CoV-2 protease: Ionic liquid vs herbal and natural compounds
- Five compounds with strongest binding energy to main protease:
Eugenin (cloves), Amentoflavone (Ginkgo biloba, St. John's Wort), Silymarin, Curcumin, Amoxicillin
https://www.sciencedirect.com/…cle/pii/S0167732221000246
Potent drug inhibitors against SARS-CoV-2 RNA polymerase
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33520579
Anti-COVID-19 potential of medicinal plants: Role of antiviral medicinal metabolites
- Active ingredients: emodin, reserpine, aescin, myricetin, scutellarin, apigenin, luteolin,
betulonic acid...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33520034
Zinc Complexes with Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine against Main Protease of COVID-19
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33518801
Metformin may reduce mortality in diabetic COVID-19 patients
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/r…irus/publication/33519709
Metformin: an inexpensive and effective treatment in people with diabetes and COVID-19?
A better rule would be to ban members from calling each other blatant liars.
Even when it is obvious they are liars? Even when they refuse to provide any source for claims that fly in the face of authoritative scientific publications? Are there no standards here? If anyone can say anything, no matter how outrageous and unscientific, without even saying where the nonsense came from, then we falling down Alice in Wonderland rabbit holes of conspiracy theories and "alternative reality."
If people want to say "I think vaccines don't work" that is acceptable. That's their opinion. But when they make up false statistics and post them here, or they claim that Pfizer has shut down production, those are lies. Whether Pfizer factories are open or not is a matter of fact, not opinion. It may be that people here sincerely believe Pfizer shut down factories. Very well; they should provide links to their source of information. Let the rest of us judge the credibility of these claims.
In short, let us stick to the bare minimum standards of academic discourse.
A better rule would be to ban members from calling each other blatant liars.
In short, let us stick to the bare minimum standards of academic discourse
And a ban on branding people part of a Death Cult if they differ from the Rothwellian vaccines are the go worldview..
The vaccine efficacy data is not any where near transparent... and there is huge investment and other reasons for both governments and BigPharma to blur the transparency..
.. I hope JR is proved right in his optimism..and vaccines work quickly
Its just wait and see ..hopefully clear data in 2-3 months time??
hopefully more governments decide to employ nonvaccine weapons such as Ivermectin,Vitamin D ...
the whole available arsenal...to reduce the chance that Covid outmutates every vaccine..
The vaccine efficacy data is not nowhere near transparent... and there is huge investment and other reasons for both governments and BigPharma to blur the transparency..
Yes, pharma companies are not run by angels. And yes, there are many open questions about COVID. Or about any new science. Does HCQ really work? The consensus of experts is that it does not, but anyone can see that many experts disagree, and there are still many large-scale clinical studies of HCQ underway. I would never -- for one second -- accuse HCQ supporters here of being trolls. Or of subverting academic standards.
That is not at all what I am talking about. I am talking about people who make up bogus statistics and unfounded claims such as "Pfizer closed its factories because they know the vaccine does not work." Or they they make claims that violate textbook knowledge going back hundreds of years. When someone asks "where did you get that information?" they refuse to answer. That's disruptive. That has nothing do with BigPharma and its transparency. If you are going to make assertions contrary to what 99.9999% of scientists believe, and what the textbooks say, you owe it to the audience to back up what you say, and cite your sources. Otherwise you are trolling. And lying.
If anyone can say anything, no matter how outrageous and unscientific, without even saying where the nonsense came from, then we falling down Alice in Wonderland rabbit holes of conspiracy theories and "alternative reality."
IMO, if you and Wytten would stop fighting/insulting each other, you would have a more favorable opinion as to the quality of this thread. The rest of us are enjoying it, and think it is productive and very informative...not unscientific, or alternative reality the way you see it
. I would never -- for one second -- accuse HCQ supporters here of being trolls
I wasn't talking about HCQ,, I talked about ivermectin and Vit D .. for which there is much better evidence..now,
No JR did not say troll.. he said Death Cult at least three times...
Its strange that one can talk about 'academic standards' and Death Cult/liar in the same thread.
Seems to be a certain disconnect.
Maybe the thread needs a coffee break
Retracting news reports is on going you just cant see them in the main BS feeds.
New Pre-Print Study Suggests COVID Reinfection Is Not That Rare
https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
Case reports of re-infection have been pretty rare. But now, a not-yet peer-reviewed pre-print study of nearly 2,000 young, healthy Marine Corps recruits concludes reinfection is not that rare.
Of the recruits who tested positive for COVID antibodies at the beginning of training, “almost a fifth and so getting infected… does not exclude you getting reinfected, and it’s going to be common,” said Dr. Stuart Sealfon of the Icahn School of Medicine at Mt. Sinai.
New York City Barely Tests for Virus Variants. Can That Change?
https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
In New York City, despite its many major hospitals and research institutions, only about 55 coronavirus cases a day on average last month were sequenced and screened for more contagious variants.
That amounted to just 1 percent of the city’s new cases, a rate far below the 10 percent that some experts say is needed to understand the dynamics of New York’s epidemic at a time when more contagious variants, including some that may blunt the effectiveness of existing vaccines, have led to surges of cases in Britain, Brazil and South Africa.
By the end of February, New York City health officials hope to have a more robust surveillance program in place that would involve sequencing the genomes — that is, examining the genetic material for mutations — of about 10 percent of new virus cases, according to Dr. Jay Varma, a senior public health adviser to City Hall.
With an average of more than 5,000 new cases a day in recent weeks, that would provide a good picture of which variants are present in New York and how widely they are proliferating, Dr. Varma said.
Sinopharm's COVID-19 vaccine remained active against S.Africa variant, effect reduced - lab study
https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
Two COVID-19 vaccines from Chinese companies including Sinopharm triggered immunity against a highly transmissible coronavirus variant first found in South Africa, but their effect appeared weaker, a small-sample lab study released on Tuesday showed.
Variants of the virus have stirred concern that they might weaken effects of vaccines and treatments developed prior to their emergence.
Twelve serum samples each taken from recipients of two vaccines developed by a subsidiary of China National Pharmaceutical Group (Sinopharm) and a unit of Chongqing Zhifei Biological Products retained neutralising activity against the South African variant, their researchers said in a paper.
My question..... Why are different manufactured vaccines all falling short on the south african mutation and all seem to have the exact limitations. This doesn't make sense!
We will have to live with COVID-19 for a long time, says Israeli expert
https://www.timesofisrael.com/…time-says-israeli-expert/
Israel — and the world — will have to learn to live under the shadow of COVID-19 for a long time due to the current inability to vaccinate children and the ever-mutating coronavirus, an Israeli expert said in comments reported Monday.
Before the more infectious UK and South African strains emerged, medical officials had estimated that around 60-70 percent of the population must become immune — either by recovering from the disease or by getting vaccinated — to achieve herd immunity, when the level of immunity will cause the outbreak to abate and eventually end.
How a garage filled with dusty old machines is helping South Africa combat Covid-19
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/0…frica-spc-intl/index.html
(CNN)At first glance, veteran ventilator technician and self-professed hoarder Robin Whittle looks like any other homeowner tinkering away in his two-car garage on a sunny afternoon in Durban -- surrounded by mounds of paper, and piles of plastic and metal parts.
While most items here are destined to remain on these dusty shelves, one in particular has helped make a big impact on South Africa's fight against Covid-19.
Whittle is part of a homegrown non-profit initiative known as the South African Ventilator Emergency Project (SAVE-P). Consisting of roughly 90 volunteers ranging from engineers to medical professionals, the group was formed early last year with the goal of shoring up South Africa's supply of medical ventilators.
WHO team heads to China bat lab at the center of coronavirus conspiracies
https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
Hong Kong(CNN)A team of World Health Organization investigators in Wuhan are visiting a laboratory Wednesday that has been the focus of conspiracies and speculation about the origin of the coronavirus pandemic.
The WHO investigators began research in the central Chinese city last week, after a 14-day quarantine and bureaucratic delays. Their work has been subject to intense scrutiny and political pressure from both within China and outside the country.
Few places they are visiting are as controversial as a laboratory run by the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which officials in former US President Donald Trump's administration suggested, without providing evidence, could have been the origin of the coronavirus.
Coronavirus - Africa - MSF: Urgent need for vaccines as new COVID-19 strain ravages Mozambique, Eswatini and Malawi
https://www.africanews.com/202…ique-eswatini-and-malawi/
As a highly infectious new strain of COVID-19 spreads through Southern Africa, health workers in Mozambique, Eswatini and Malawi are struggling to treat escalating numbers of patients with little prospect of a vaccine to protect them from the virus. International medical organisation Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders (MSF) calls for COVID-19 vaccines to be distributed equitably, prioritising and protecting frontline health workers and people at highest risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19 in all countries, including in Africa
“We are appalled by the inequitable distribution of COVID-19 vaccines across the world,” says MSF director of operations Christine Jamet. “While many wealthy countries started vaccinating their health workers and other groups nearly two months ago, countries such as Eswatini Malawi and Mozambique, which are struggling to respond to this pandemic, have not received a single dose of vaccine to protect the most at-risk people, including frontline health staff.”
In Eswatini, a country of 1.1 million people, 200 new cases are being reported each day and deaths are around four times higher than in the first wave, with health workers saying that patients are becoming more severely sick this time around. With health facilities overwhelmed, MSF teams have set up tented wards at Nhlangano health centre and brought in extra doctors and nurses to care for critically ill COVID-19 patients.
In Mozambique, case numbers are currently almost seven times higher than at the peak of the first wave. “Health workers are getting sick and those still at work are exhausted,” says MSF head of mission Natalia Tamayo Antabak, whose teams are helping implement infection and prevention control measures at government COVID-19 treatment centres in Maputo to minimise infections in health staff working there.
We need to provide support to poorer nations if we ever want to defeat this virus.
UK tests house-to-house in hunt for new COVID-19 variant
https://apnews.com/article/uk-…2013edf3b500896b136bbcbc1
LONDON (AP) — England has begun house-by-house COVID-19 testing in some communities as authorities try to snuff out a new variant of the coronavirus before it spreads widely and undermines a nationwide vaccination program.
Authorities want to reach the 80,000 residents of eight areas where the variant, first identified in South Africa, is known to be spreading because a handful of cases have been detected among people who have had no contact with the country or anyone who traveled there.
Officials are dispatching home testing kits and mobile testing units in an effort to reach every resident of those communities. It is “critical” for everyone in these areas to stay at home unless travel is absolutely essential, Health Secretary Matt Hancock said.
Maybe the 37th ranked healthcare system in the world might take note, a little more money back into the system rather than pockets might go a long way, just my opinion!
Adults aged 20 to 49 are biggest COVID-19 spreaders in US, study says
https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen
Adults aged 20 to 49 are the biggest spreaders of COVID-19 in the US, according to British researchers who say targeting this age group for vaccination could hasten school reopenings.
A team at Imperial College London used cell phone data from more than 10 million people to calculate that 65 of 100 infections still originated from those aged 20 to 49 in the US.
The found that people in that age bracket accounted for about 72 percent of the cases after schools reopened in October. Less than 5 percent came from children, and less than 10 percent from teens.
Adults aged 35 to 49 accounted for 41 percent of new cases through mid-August, compared to 35 percent for adults aged 20 to 34, according to the peer-reviewed study published in Science.
No kidding! Who did they think was spreading it? Waste of money and research time! We need early treatments!!!
COVID-19 lockdowns temporarily raised global temperatures, research shows
Reductions in aerosol emissions had slight warming impact, study finds
https://www.sciencedaily.com/r…/2021/02/210202164535.htm
The lockdowns and reduced societal activity related to the COVID-19 pandemic affected emissions of pollutants in ways that slightly warmed the planet for several months last year, according to new research led by the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR).
The counterintuitive finding highlights the influence of airborne particles, or aerosols, that block incoming sunlight. When emissions of aerosols dropped last spring, more of the Sun's warmth reached the planet, especially in heavily industrialized nations, such as the United States and Russia, that normally pump high amounts of aerosols into the atmosphere.
"There was a big decline in emissions from the most polluting industries, and that had immediate, short-term effects on temperatures," said NCAR scientist Andrew Gettelman, the study's lead author. "Pollution cools the planet, so it makes sense that pollution reductions would warm the planet."
Temperatures over parts of Earth's land surface last spring were about 0.2-0.5 degrees Fahrenheit (0.1-0.3 degrees Celsius) warmer than would have been expected with prevailing weather conditions, the study found. The effect was most pronounced in regions that normally are associated with substantial emissions of aerosols, with the warming reaching about 0.7 degrees F (0.37 C) over much of the United States and Russia.
The new study highlights the complex and often conflicting influences of different types of emissions from power plants, motor vehicles, industrial facilities, and other sources. While aerosols tend to brighten clouds and reflect heat from the Sun back into space, carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases have the opposite effect, trapping heat near the planet's surface and elevating temperatures.
