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    Quote from JedRothwell

    No such forced inoculation exists. No one is contemplating any such thing. This is either a figment of your imagination, or a vicious lie you are spreading here to stir up trouble and kill people.

    We cannot let anyone decide but the experts. However, if people want to defy the experts, they are free to do so. Even if it means they kill themselves. Of course we cannot let them infect others, and if private corporations, airlines and other countries want to ban them, that is their right. People have the right to do reckless things endangering themselves, but they have no right to endanger others. So, if you don't want to wear a mask and you don't want a vaccine, don't go into grocery stores. As I said, order in, or grow your own food, or starve. Your choice.


    It is a shame we have to pay the medical expenses of people who are too stupid to be vaccinated, but I suppose in a civilized country we must. Once vaccines are universally available, I will have no sympathy for people who get sick. If you take off your clothes and sleep in the snow, and you get pneumonia, it is your fault. If you deliberately eat contaminated food and get sick, it is your fault. People should take responsibility for their actions.


    A vaccine for syphilis could not come fast enough.

    But the COVID-19 vaccines are in a different category, approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration under what’s called “emergency use authorization.” That designation made the lifesaving vaccines available after they were successful in clinical trials but before they had gone through all the hoops a vaccine normally would. The process is ongoing, but it will take a year or two to complete, and few of us want to wait that long. The health of the nation cannot afford it.


    The 2003 law allowing emergency use appears to specify that people cannot be required to use any of these drugs or devices. Or maybe it doesn’t. The wording is so confusing that even legal experts aren’t sure.


    Editorial: Could COVID-19 vaccines be mandated? Federal law needs clarification


    https://www.latimes.com/opinio…-mandated-federal-law-nee


    Right now, people eager for protection against COVID-19 are desperately logging onto websites over and over to try to find a place with vaccines on hand. But as the supply of vaccines increases enough in the coming months to provide all adults the necessary doses, the question will shift from “How many people will be protected soon?” to “Does everybody have to get vaccinated?”


    That’s a question that Anthony Fauci, director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and other federal health officials are wisely dodging for the moment. It’s better to persuade people to come in for their shots than to try to force them in. Despite the more than half a million fatalities and innumerable serious, long-lasting side effects inflicted by COVID-19 in this country, people often are leery of new vaccines and want to see how they play out in general use. There also are people who are stubbornly and unreasonably anti-vaccine.


    At some point, though, public health could depend on more people being inoculated. And if it does, government officials and private employers will confront a problem: It’s not at all clear that anyone can be compelled to take the current vaccines.

    So far, the studies on the COVID-19 vaccines in use have been positive. They truly are effective at protecting the recipients from disease, and those who do get infected generally have much milder cases. They also appear to reduce the chances that vaccinated people will pass the virus along to someone else. The vaccines themselves have been safe with manageable, short-term side effects.

    Explained: What has changed in second wave of Covid-19?

    Are more younger people getting infected than last year? What explains the oxygen crisis? Why are vaccinated people getting sick? Decoding the trends that stand out during the ongoing Covid-19 surge.


    https://indianexpress.com/arti…second-wave-7289002/lite/


    Like the 1918-20 Spanish flu, the second all-India surge of the Covid-19 pandemic has been more devastating than the first. It has also appeared to be different from last year’s surge in several ways, increasing worries and anxiety. Here is what you need to know about five apparent trends during the second wave.

    I have been extremely careful for more than a year now. Why have I still got Covid-19?


    Because an asymtomatic person, who carries the virus, would have spread the infection. In India, experts say, 80-85% of the population are asymptomatic. They continue to be the largest carrier of the virus, and in a closed indoor setting, asymptomatic person will transmit the virus even when he or she is talking. Also, asymptomatic people don’t isolate themselves in a home setting.


    A combination of a large asymptomatic population and the presence of more infectious variants of the virus during the second wave, which is much steeper than the first wave that peaked in September, continues to transmit the virus even to those who are staying indoors. For instance, the UK strain detected in a significant proportion during genome surveillance in Delhi and Punjab, has shown a 50% higher transmission, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The L452R mutation found in the variant B1.671, first detected in India, too has been associated with increased infectivity.


    Second, in the current wave, the marking of containment zone has been less strict. In cities, the government has asked civil authorities to adopt micro-containment: with perhaps just a floor or a house defined as a containment zone. If there is no effective monitoring in micro-containment zones, containing the virus becomes a challenge. Earlier, an entire apartment or area would be made a containment zone, reducing the chances of transmission of the virus. Now, central teams have red-flagged the fact that high-risk contacts in workplace, social and family settings were not investigated and listed in Maharashtra, resulting in a surge. This is happening across the country.

    Unlike last year, I see entire families down with Covid. Has something changed in the nature of the infection?


    Super-spreading events in indoor settings — house parties, social gatherings — can trigger local outbreaks if Covid-appropriate behaviours are not followed. Because some virus variants are more infectious, and because micro-containment zones are not being monitored as effectively as containment zones last year, we are seeing entire families going down with the virus. Contact tracing guidelines are not being followed as rigorously as last time. All asymptomatic direct and high-risk contacts of confirmed cases are to be tested once between day 5 and day 10 of coming into contact, but they can continue spreading the infection if they return a false negative result.


    Also, during this surge, there has been a long waiting period for testing. Until the results are available, many asymptomatic persons violate isolation guidelines and spread the infection.

    Unlike last year, many young people are getting Covid this time. Did the young not have more robust immunity?


    The infection is spreading at a faster pace in every age group. At present, there is very little data that shows how long immunity lasts in the younger population. However, those who have comorbidities at a young age at high risk.


    Data released by the Centre shows that in seven age groups up to 70 years, the prevalence of deaths in this wave is comparable to the prevalence in the last wave. However, in the age groups 70-80 and above 80, mortality rates are higher in the second wave are higher (See box). It is still the older population who is at higher risk and needs to be protected. However, the number of deaths are high in all age groups because there are more cases. And with the virus becoming more infectious and some mutations escaping the immune response, the younger population needs to strictly follow Covid-appropriate behaviours.

    How did the medical oxygen situation turn this catastrophic?


    In the second wave, critical data has emerged from hospitals being tracked by the government — that 54.5% of admissions during the second wave required supplemental oxygen during treatment. This marked a 13.4-percentage-point increase from the peak during September and November last year, according to data from 40 centres across the country.


    Also, shortness of breath is the most common clinical feature among symptomatic patients in the second wave.


    For moderate cases, India’s clinical management protocol recommends oxygen therapy as the primary form of treatment: the target is to achieve 92-96% SpO2, or 88-92% in patients with COPD. It is this category that requires oxygen beds. While the proportion of those requiring oxygen beds is still hovering around under 10%, this number is at an all-time high with India’s active caseload crossing 26 lakh.


    As of April 24, official records showed that Delhi, UP, Gujarat and Haryana face severe shortfalls due to a surge in cases. The demand for medical oxygen has increased by 18% over the last six days across 12 states, which account for 83% of India’s active cases.


    I took my first vaccine shot as soon as I became eligible. Why have I still got Covid?


    The two vaccines approved for emergency use in India don’t stop transmission of the virus, and at present can only reduce severe disease or hospitalisation. Data released by the government show that post-vaccination, around 2-4 persons per 10,000 have tested positive.


    Of the 10.03 crore who received only the first dose of Covishield, 0.02% (17,145) tested positive; and of the 1.57 crore who received both shots, 0.03% (5,014) tested positive. For Covaxin, 0.04% (4,208) of the 93.56 lakh who received only the first dose tested positive, as did 0.04% (695) of the 17.37 lakh who received both doses. This means that people who have been vaccinated should continue to follow Covid-appropriate behaviours.

    Miranda Devine slams Dr. Fauci’s COVID flip-flops and contradictions: 'He’s been all fear, no responsibility'

    Fauci is 'never reliable,' said Devine


    https://www.foxnews.com/media/…ll-fear-no-responsibility


    It is purely politics," Fox News contributor and New York Times columnist Miranda Devine told "Fox News Primetime," reacting to Dr. Anthony Fauci saying it's "common sense" that outdoor risk of contracting COVID-19 is "quite low," particularly if you are a vaccinated person.


    MIRANDA DEVINE: This is a man [Fauci] who is never reliable. You can’t trust anything he says. He’s not only flipped and flopped and contradicted himself, but he’s also lied to us, and admitted that he lied to us for our good, a noble lie. No lie is a good lie when you are needing the public to trust you, and particularly now when talking about people getting vaccinated. Unfortunately, Anthony Fauci is the frontman for the vaccine and you look at him, do you have any faith in what he says? He has locked us up for a year. This is the first time he has actually been able to bring himself to say a word like "minuscule risk." He says, "I don’t want to get in front of the CDC," that’s exactly what he wants to do, this is what he does all the time.


    You were just talking about cults and this cult of Fauci is the most damaging in the country. For over a year he has held sway over every part of our lives and in fact, the lives of people all over the world because people look to America to see how to conduct their lives. He’s basically been all fear, no responsibility. He waxes and wanes, doesn’t understand how much input people put on his every announcement.

    All of this is based on your own fears. the reality is no one , not government or private companies can mandate an individual get the vaccine. Laws protect against government, states and private business from mandating an emergency use drug!!! So really your points are moot!

    Quote from Fm1

    All of this is based on your own fears. the reality is no one , not government or private companies can mandate an individual get the vaccine. Laws protect against government, states and private business from mandating an emergency use drug!!! So really your points are moot!

    A govt that uses coercion to force you to do something, is about as rightful as someone putting a gun to your head to get you to do that thing. When you pay tax, and they go blow up foreign nations with it through a military complex, you are complicit in that bombing -- you paid for it. This is the danger of rogue govt.


    If you think you are ethically "immune" because you "have no choice" -- I suggest you are mistaken. Now, if ethics don't matter then let's round everyone up today who doesnt want a vax and quarantine them in a camp, because Fauci is an expert, and he says so.


    Many of you don't know how close you are now to some of the greatest evils ever perpetrated. I assure you it's snuck up on you, just like it did to the German people a while ago. It is the same group doing the behind the scenes work in fact...

    Quote from Fm1

    The vaccines themselves have been safe with manageable, short-term side effects.

    Also gun shots only have small side effects like scarves or local inflammation...But the main damage you can immediatly see. Vaccines can be like gun shots. But the main damage you possible might see after 10 years in large statistics. Or short term like for the Pfizer jab immune deficit induced CoV-19 cases that aleady killed some 10'000 people.

    Quote from Fm1

    the target is to achieve 92-96%

    That's why they do not have enough oxygen. You can live - no much walk.. - with down 90. Below you need help. 90 was already 1 year ago the mark we defined for intervention.

    I guess its the classic case. People do panic and make things worse than they are.

    How COVID-19 Worms Its Way Into the Brain – Explaining Baffling Neurological Symptoms


    https://scitechdaily.com/how-c…eurological-symptoms/amp/


    New research offers an up-close view of how SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, can spread to the brain. The study helps explain the alarming array of neurological symptoms reported in some patients with COVID-19, as well as why some patients suffer severe neurological effects while others experience none at all.

    The researchers report evidence that SARS-CoV-2 can infect both the nerve cells that power our brains (neurons) and the cells in the brain and spinal cord that support and protect neurons (astrocytes).

    Our findings suggest that astrocytes are a pathway through which COVID-19 causes neurological damage,” said Ricardo Costa, PhD, a postdoctoral fellow at the Louisiana State University (LSU) Health Shreveport and the study’s first author. “This could explain many of the neurologic symptoms we see in COVID-19 patients, which include loss of sense of smell and taste, disorientation, psychosis, and stroke.”


    Costa will present the research at the American Physiological Society annual meeting during the Experimental Biology (EB) 2021 meeting, held virtually April 27-30. The study is led by Diana Cruz-Topete, assistant professor of molecular and cellular biology at LSU Health Shreveport, and includes collaborators Oscar Gomez-Torres, PhD, and Emma Burgos-Ramos, PhD, from Universidad de Castilla-La Mancha in Spain.

    In the respiratory system, SARS-CoV-2 is known to infect a person’s cells by grabbing hold of proteins on the cell surface called angiotensin-converting enzyme-2 (ACE2) receptors. It has been unclear whether brain cells have this receptor.


    For the study, Costa and colleagues examined RNA and proteins to determine whether cell cultures of human astrocytes and neurons expressed ACE2. They then exposed the cells to a version of the SARS-CoV-2 virus that had been modified to be safe for researchers to handle. The studies confirmed that both astrocytes and neurons express the ACE2 receptor and that both cell types can become infected with SARS-CoV-2, though astrocytes were less likely to become infected.

    Astrocytes are the main gateway to the brain, responsible for shuttling nutrients from the bloodstream to the neurons while keeping harmful particles out. By resisting infection, astrocytes could help keep SARS-CoV-2 out of the brain, but once infected, they could easily pass the virus along to many neurons, according to researchers.


    “While astrocytes display a higher resistance to infection, neurons seem to be more susceptible,” said Costa. “This suggests that only few astrocytes getting infected could be sufficient for the infection to quickly spread to neurons and multiply quickly. These observations could explain why while some patients do not have any neurological symptoms, others seem to have severe ones.”

    Quote from Fm1

    But the COVID-19 vaccines are in a different category, approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration under what’s called “emergency use authorization.” That designation made the lifesaving vaccines available after they were successful in clinical trials but before they had gone through all the hoops a vaccine normally would. The process is ongoing, but it will take a year or two to complete, and few of us want to wait that long.

    Actually, COVID-19 vaccines went through much more rigorous testing than any previous vaccine or drug did, with more double-blind test patients. Also, far more DNA analysis and supercomputing simulations. No other virus has been studied in as much depth by as many people. Furthermore, 560 million doses have been given, and there are only a handful of reports of serious side effects -- which may all be coincidental. The outcomes are being monitored more carefully, in more depth, than any other vaccine in history, because we now have more data processing capabilities that ever before.


    So, all in all, this is the safest drug ever administered. An "emergency authorization" is the legal regulatory status, but in fact it is safer than any fully approved drug.

    I haven't read this paper, but I don't know if the virus actually infects the brain - in fact evidence suggests it does not. Though I believe it is possible as shown here, in practice this isn't the reason for the neurological symptoms - that happens without viral replication through the blood stream carrying proteins.

    Quote from Navid

    A govt that uses coercion to force you to do something, is about as rightful as someone putting a gun to your head to get you to do that thing

    Then it is a good thing the government is not coercing anyone to be vaccinated, or to get a vaccination passport. It is entire voluntary! Like getting a driver's license. If you don't want to drive, don't get a license. If you don't want to go into stores, movies and airplanes, don't get a vaccination passport. It is entirely your choice. It is for your benefit, and the benefit of other customers who want to stay healthy. If you prefer to risk sickness and death, that's what you should do.


    Quote from Navid

    When you pay tax, and they go blow up foreign nations with it through a military complex, you are complicit in that bombing -- you paid for it. This is the danger of rogue govt.

    That's debatable. I think it would be more dangerous to live without a government, like in Somalia. However, that has nothing to do with the COVID situation. There is no coercion.

    Quote from Navid

    I haven't read this paper, but I don't know if the virus actually infects the brain - in fact evidence suggests it does not. Though I believe it is possible as shown here, in practice this isn't the reason for the neurological symptoms - that happens without viral replication through the blood stream carrying proteins.

    I posted an earlier study that show the virus itself doesn't infect the brain but pathways to the brain resulting in inflammation that causes Neurological Symptoms.

    Quote from JedRothwell

    Actually, COVID-19 vaccines went through much more rigorous testing than any previous vaccine or drug did, with more double-blind test patients. Also, far more DNA analysis and supercomputing simulations. No other virus has been studied in as much depth by as many people. Furthermore, 560 million doses have been given, and there are only a handful of reports of serious side effects -- which may all be coincidental. The outcomes are being monitored more carefully, in more depth, than any other vaccine in history, because we now have more data processing capabilities that ever before.


    So, all in all, this is the safest drug ever administered. An "emergency authorization" is the legal regulatory status, but in fact it is safer than any fully approved drug.

    First paragraph, how would you know?

    2nd paragraph, bold and dangerous, and lacking in data. Vaccines take years to get to approval, this took months, long term safety is yet to be determined. Still labeled experimental so again to get back to the point, you can't legally mandate anyone to take an emergency use drug.

    Quote from JedRothwell

    So, all in all, this is the safest drug ever administered.

    This is true for ivermectin & HCQ where we have 40 years of experience and no deaths from ivermectin. From the Pfizer vaccine we already have > 10'000 deaths because people do not isolate 7 days before vaccination and 10 day after. Further we have a large number of deaths from blood disorder that are 100% related to the Pfizer vaccine.

    In fact the Pfizer vaccine, so far is one of the worst drugs we ever used - currently on level with VIOX.

    Quote from JedRothwell

    Actually, COVID-19 vaccines went through much more rigorous testing than any previous vaccine or drug did

    Pfizer as Gilead before did multiple time breach the test protocol and the FDA closed both eyes and allowed Pfizer manual intervention for sorting out cases that could spoil the result...

    As said: This is all documented and I uploaded it already twice. You seem unable to read/understand.

    Quote from Fm1

    First paragraph, how would you know?

    Many sources reported this. As I recall it was in the New York Times quoting various experts -- the usual suspects. The number of people in double blind tests for the Pfizer vax was 44,000. I think most double blind tests range from a few hundred in the first round, to a few thousand in the final round before approval. 44,000 is an astounding number. Many drugs are not administered to that many patients even after approval. That is why rare problems sometimes do not emerge until long after approval. There are not enough test cases.


    It was somewhat easier to do a massive test for COVID-19 vaccines, because the disease was so widespread. By the summer of 2020, exposure and infection was likely to occur. You cannot test 44,000 patients for a cancer drug when only a few thousand people get that form of cancer.


    Following that 44,000, we have 560 million doses actually given. That's orders of magnitude more doses than some drugs have for the life of the product. If there were any problems, they would be obvious. Plus, as I said, the follow up has been more rigorous than any vaccination campaign in history, thanks to modern data collection and processing. The capabilities of today's data systems are astounding. Nothing like them existed as recently as 2000.


    44,000 reported here:


    https://www.statnews.com/2021/…19-to-placebo-volunteers/


    Quote from Fm1

    2nd paragraph, bold and dangerous, and lacking in data.

    560 million doses, with modern data tracking, is OCEANS more data than we have for most drugs. It is by far the largest data set of any medical study in history. Other aspects of the pandemic have also been tracked and measured in unprecedented detail. As I have mentioned, in Japan government databases listing every single patient in detail are available online to anyone. (The data is anonymous, but available in such detail you can sometimes figure out who the patient is, which has justifiably upset people. The data was adjusted after complaints emerged.) This kind of data also gave them the ability to do case tracking and warning exposed people to an extent that would have been impossible in any previous era. Their ability to do case tracking is one of the reasons Japan has 23 times fewer cases per capita than the U.S.

    COVID risk score calculator:


    https://19andme.covid19.mathematica.org/


    I ran this a couple of times with varying parameters. It tells me that 2 doses of vaccine 2 weeks ago reduces the likelihood of disease by a factor of 20, which is the reported efficacy of the mRNA vaccines. No surprises there. It produces this grim paragraph:


    "Risk of adverse outcomes from COVID-19


    Among people who are the same age, sex, and health status as you and get sick from COVID-19, the risk of hospitalization is 16% , the risk of requiring an ICU is 4.5% , and the risk of not surviving is 2.6%."



    It tells me that in my zip code:


    1 in every 151 people in your county is currently infected with COVID-19.

    In a group of 50 people, there is a 28% chance that at least one person has COVID-19.


    I think that does not take into account the fact that many sick people are at home, suffering from the disease, so they will not be found in a randomly selected group of 50 people at a grocery store, for example.



    It says:


    "Risk of contracting COVID-19


    Among people in your county who have behaviors and levels of interaction with others that are similar to yours, the estimated probability of catching COVID-19 through community transmission in a week is 0.01% . For comparison, 0.41% of Americans catch the flu every week during flu season.


    Good to know that you wash your hands per CDC guidance. In general, hand washing reduces people's risk of being exposed to COVID-19 by 55% . Good to know that you wear personal protective equipment per CDC guidelines . In general, wearing personal protective equipment reduces people's risk of being exposed to COVID-19 by 68%"

    Quote from Fm1

    Vaccines take years to get to approval, this took months, long term safety is yet to be determined.

    You are missing the point. Vaccine R&D projects take years because only a few people work on the project, and only a few thousand patients are enrolled in the double blind tests. This project had just about every qualified medical researcher on earth working on it, and 44,000 enrolled patients for just one of the vaccines. In terms of man hours of effort, this exceeded anything in history, including R&D projects that took decades. Nature reports that 4% of the world's research was devoted to COVID-19 last year, and more than 100,000 papers devoted to various aspects of it (not just the vaccine):


    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-03564-y


    Long term safety of other mRNA vaccines for a few other diseases has been determined. They are very safe. Most problems occur in the first hours or days after vaccination. No trace of the vaccine mRNA is left in the body after a week. The only effects it has are producing lots of spike proteins, which are harmless. If the RNA or the spike proteins caused harm, then coronaviruses such as the common cold would probably all cause that same harm. They have the same RNA, and they make your cells produce far more spike proteins than the RNA from the vaccination does.


    Of course the coronaviruses do cause harm, but not from the spike protein itself.


    It has been a year since the first test patients were inoculated. I gather they are all being watched closely, to see if any problems develop, and to measure how many antibodies they still have. So far, so good. If there are problems, a year is probably long enough for it to emerge, I gather. As I said, most problems happen within hours or weeks.


    Quote from Fm1

    Still labeled experimental so again to get back to the point, you can't legally mandate anyone to take an emergency use drug.

    There is no chance this vaccine will be legally mandated in the U.S. The right wing and the Death Cult fanatics would have conniptions, and they would prevent it. Eventually, the "emergency drug" status will change to "approved" (or whatever they call it). It will then be an ordinary drug like the flu vaccine. It may be needed on a regular basis. Unfortunately, booster shots and reformulations for variants may be needed. There are so many loony-toon Death Cult fanatics, I fear we may not reach herd immunity and the virus may be with us forever. We can thank the anti-science Death Cult lunatics for that. They want to kill hundreds of thousands more people to feed their own egos. Mission accomplished!

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    Quote from JedRothwell

    It is for your benefit, and the benefit of other customers who want to stay healthy. If you prefer to risk sickness and death, that's what you should do.

    People in the low risk group (<55, healthy) do not fear sickness, or death from COVID because the stats show them they don't have to. So why push, or coerce them to get vaccinated?


    I took the vaccine because of my age. Were I younger, I would probably prefer to take the natural route (get exposed) and develop immunity that way. With new variations popping up almost weekly, that may be the best way to fight back than to count on science to stay one step ahead of the mutations.


    In order to convince a younger me to get jabbed, someone would have to give me a better reason than "you might get sick, and die if you don't". Do we have that reason?

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