Most experts say the virus is definitely natural.
No. All experts I know and these are real experts doing genetics - not the one you cite that are lab managers fighting for personal credibility - agree that this virus for 10000% sure is lab made.
A paper in JAMA says it does not.
You obviously never read the paper and continue to spread lies.
What is your point? There are many news reports that ivermectin works. There are many other reports that it does not. A paper in JAMA says it does not. The WHO says the data is unclear. Is there some reason we should trust lifesitenews more than we trust JAMA? Are you sure the results from Mexico are not caused by social distancing or vaccinations? I wouldn't know, but vaccinations in Mexico are now at 15% and they may be higher in Mexico City. Can you explain why the JAMA study protocols were wrong, or what mistake they made in their analysis? If you cannot explain these things, I do not think you are in a position to judge which side is correct. I sure as heck cannot begin to judge -- and I am not judging: I am saying maybe you don't know either, and maybe you should not automatically second guess the JAMA researchers, or assume they are wrong, or assume there are not complex factors at work that make both sides sort of right and sort of wrong.
I have never heard of lifesitenews. Is that a mainstream source? Left wing? Right wing? Neutral? Does it have a reputation for reporting medical news accurately? I have no idea. Obviously, I know there is a controversy about ivermectin. I know that Goa state government in India is all in on it, as reported by the Times. But I cannot tell whether JAMA or the Goa health minister is right. Can you tell? Are you sure you can tell?
I didn't have a point. Just posted an article, with some quotes about good news. Nothing else.
And I know nothing about Lifesitenews. There are a million websites like it, with more popping up all the time. The article uses Mexican Ministry of Health data, with quotes from Mexican doctors. There are no opinions expressed by the reporter, or politics of any kind. I detect no bias, or favoritism. Judging by those things alone, they pass my smell test...so far.
....they pass my smell test...so far.
The fact that you can still smell means you haven't got Covid..
Nearly half of COVID-19 patients leave hospitals in ‘worse condition’ than they arrived
https://www.studyfinds.org/cov…ital-worse-condition/?amp
ANN ARBOR, Mich. — It’s safe to say most people can agree hospitals are places where people go to feel better. During the coronavirus pandemic however, a new study reveals about half of all COVID patients are actually leaving hospitals in worse shape than when they entered. In another case of COVID “long-hauler” side-effects, a team from Michigan Medicine says around 45 percent of patients who survive the virus exit the hospital with significantly less physical function.
Rehabilitation needs were really, really common for these patients,” says pediatric physiatrist Alecia K. Daunter, M.D., in a university release. “They survived, but these people left the hospital in worse physical condition than they started. If they needed outpatient therapy or are now walking with a cane, something happened that impacted their discharge plan.”
Researchers reviewed the health data of almost 300 adults hospitalized with COVID-19 between March and April 2020. This information included discharge data, each patient’s therapy needs, and whether they needed special medical equipment or services after leaving the hospital.
The findings reveal doctors prescribed additional therapy for a staggering 80 percent of COVID-19 patients. Concerningly, nearly one in five patients lost so much of their physical ability they could no longer live independently after leaving the hospital.
“These patients may have needed to move to a subacute facility, or they might have needed to move in with a family member, but they were not able to go home,” Daunter adds. “This has a massive impact on patients and their families – emotionally and physically.”
The problem may be worse than the study shows
Researchers note their data comes from the pandemic’s first two months, at the very start of the first wave. At that time, not only did doctors not have a full picture of COVID’s effects, study authors say hospitals had to prioritize treating and releasing patients in order to free up bed space. With this in mind, Dr. Daunter believes the study is actually underreporting the number of COVID survivors who are losing their ability to live a normal life.
“Physicians and others in the health care system were working appropriately to discharge patients,” the lead author says. “They needed to keep patients safe while maximizing available beds and minimizing exposure to staff. I think that contributed to many people not being assessed by a therapist or PM&R physician. So, the things we do to in the hospital to maximize functioning, like mobility interventions and assessing activities of daily living were, not happening as often.”
Moving from COVID treatment to COVID rehabilitation
Study authors note that COVID-19 can systematically damage several organs throughout the human body. This trauma can result in neurological and musculoskeletal impairments which lasts for months after the infection clears. Michigan Medicine has even opened two new clinics to specifically address the issues COVID long haulers are facing.
Michigan Medicine physiatrist Edward Claflin says, even as the death toll drops and vaccinations continue, more and more people are now living with debilitating side-effects of their infection.
These results help to highlight the true impact of the COVID-19 disease on our patients,” Claflin says. “They fill in that gap in knowledge about how patients with COVID recover and what kind of rehabilitation needs they have.”
“These problems are frequent, and the stakes are pretty high if we miss them, or allow them to progress during hospitalization,” Daunter concludes. “Some of these people were working and many were living independently. To lose that level of function is meaningful. We want to make sure we’re addressing those needs, not just looking at the black and white, survival or death.”
The study appears in the journal PM&R.
What happens when a team of 6 ... Rodriguez et al 2021.
does a supposedly neutral Ivermectin metanalysis.. with a nonneutral mindset.
it gets egg on its face.
I would have checked the data five times ...
Background
We systematically assessed benefits and harms of the use of ivermectin (IVM) in COVID-19 patients.
Conclusion
.. IVM did not reduce all-cause mortality, length of stay or viral clearance.
.IVM is not a viable option to treat COVID-19 patients.
One of several scathing responses....
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Why hasn't this paper been retracted yet?
They reversed the numbers for the Niaee study which was pivotal to their conclusion.
See this tweet from CovidAnalysis for details on the switch.
There is also a video from Niaee himself attesting to the fact ivermectin works.
When you use the correct data, it shows ivermectin works. No surprise."
This link may soon disappear..
https://www.medrxiv.org/conten…101/2021.05.21.21257595v1
You darn well should.
Not in Zimbabwe.. people use whatsapp.. the mainstream there is a river of corruption..
As Jackie Stone said.. "Zim functions on Whatsapp"
and Whatsapp has been instrumental in nationwide Covid info/treatment
"Independent media in Zimbabwe are turning to WhatsApp as a primary distributor of news in the midst of an information landscape that is shifting to social platforms. State broadcasters and newspapers have long dominated the media, but alternative platforms began to exist and gain increasing traction in the last years of the Mugabe era"
https://www.niemanlab.org/2019…ure-of-news-is-messaging/
Colchicine for community-treated patients with COVID-19 (COLCORONA): a phase 3, randomised, double-blinded, adaptive, placebo-controlled, multicentre trial
https://www.thelancet.com/jour…-2600(21)00222-8/fulltext
Summary
Background
Evidence suggests a role for excessive inflammation in COVID-19 complications. Colchicine is an oral anti-inflammatory medication beneficial in gout, pericarditis, and coronary disease. We aimed to investigate the effect of colchicine on the composite of COVID-19-related death or hospital admission.
Methods
The present study is a phase 3, randomised, double-blind, adaptive, placebo-controlled, multicentre trial. The study was done in Brazil, Canada, Greece, South Africa, Spain, and the USA, and was led by the Montreal Heart Institute. Patients with COVID-19 diagnosed by PCR testing or clinical criteria who were not being treated in hospital were eligible if they were at least 40 years old and had at least one high-risk characteristic. The randomisation list was computer-generated by an unmasked biostatistician, and masked randomisation was centralised and done electronically through an automated interactive web-response system. The allocation sequence was unstratified and used a 1:1 ratio with a blocking schema and block sizes of six. Patients were randomly assigned to receive orally administered colchicine (0·5 mg twice per day for 3 days and then once per day for 27 days thereafter) or matching placebo. The primary efficacy endpoint was the composite of death or hospital admission for COVID-19. Vital status at the end of the study was available for 97·9% of patients. The analyses were done according to the intention-to-treat principle. The COLCORONA trial is registered with ClinicalTrials.gov (NCT04322682) and is now closed to new participants.
Findings
Trial enrolment began in March 23, 2020, and was completed in Dec 22, 2020. A total of 4488 patients (53·9% women; median age 54·0 years, IQR 47·0–61·0) were enrolled and 2235 patients were randomly assigned to colchicine and 2253 to placebo. The primary endpoint occurred in 104 (4·7%) of 2235 patients in the colchicine group and 131 (5·8%) of 2253 patients in the placebo group (odds ratio [OR] 0·79, 95·1% CI 0·61–1·03; p=0·081). Among the 4159 patients with PCR-confirmed COVID-19, the primary endpoint occurred in 96 (4·6%) of 2075 patients in the colchicine group and 126 (6·0%) of 2084 patients in the placebo group (OR 0·75, 0·57–0·99; p=0·042). Serious adverse events were reported in 108 (4·9%) of 2195 patients in the colchicine group and 139 (6·3%) of 2217 patients in the placebo group (p=0·051); pneumonia occurred in 63 (2·9%) of 2195 patients in the colchicine group and 92 (4·1%) of 2217 patients in the placebo group (p=0·021). Diarrhoea was reported in 300 (13·7%) of 2195 patients in the colchicine group and 161 (7·3%) of 2217 patients in the placebo group (p<0·0001).
Interpretation
In community-treated patients including those without a mandatory diagnostic test, the effect of colchicine on COVID-19-related clinical events was not statistically significant. Among patients with PCR-confirmed COVID-19, colchicine led to a lower rate of the composite of death or hospital admission than placebo. Given the absence of orally administered therapies to prevent COVID-19 complications in community-treated patients and the benefit of colchicine in patients with PCR-proven COVID-19, this safe and inexpensive anti-inflammatory agent could be considered for use in those at risk of complications. Notwithstanding these considerations, replication in other studies of PCR-positive community-treated patients is recommended.
New York Times: Intelligence officials said to have untapped evidence on Covid-19 origins
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/0…vid-19-origins/index.html
(CNN)President Joe Biden's instructions to the US intelligence community to redouble its efforts in investigating the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic came on the heels of intelligence officials informing the White House that they possessed unreviewed evidence necessitating greater computer analysis that could potentially provide answers, The New York Times reported Thursday.
The paper cited senior administration officials, who opted not to detail the new evidence or the computational analysis to be done. The disclosure raises the question of whether the government fully examined existing intelligence and public health information in seeking out the virus's emergence.
It also comes as the Office of the Director of National Intelligence issued an unusual public statement Thursday on the status of its intelligence gathering into the genesis of the pandemic, publicizing divisions within the intelligence community about whether the virus escaped from a lab in China or occurred naturally.
ODNI spokesperson Amanda Schoch reiterated what Biden had said Wednesday, that there is a difference of opinion among various intelligence agencies and their degrees of confidence in the theories.
Administration officials told the Times that the White House wants US allies to participate more strongly in investigating the possibility that the virus originated in a Chinese lab, a scenario that had previously been considered less likely.
The probe has not hit a dead end, a senior Biden administration official told the paper, adding that it will now draw on federal scientific resources, including the national labs, that had not previously been tapped for it.
Biden's mandate on Wednesday came the same week as news of a US intelligence report that found several researchers at China's Wuhan Institute of Virology had fallen ill in November 2019 and had to be hospitalized, a new detail about the severity of their symptoms that could fuel further the debate about the origins of the pandemic, according to two people briefed on the intelligence.
A State Department fact sheet released by the Trump administration in January said the researchers had gotten sick in autumn 2019 but did not go as far as to say they had been hospitalized. China reported to the World Health Organization that the first patient with Covid-like symptoms was recorded in Wuhan on December 8, 2019.
A Biden administration official told the Times that if the new investigation did not produce explanations, it would be due to China's obfuscation. Current officials told the Times that the main focus of the new inquiry is to increase pandemic preparedness going forward, and administration officials think that the new intelligence effort, combined with China misleading the WHO, will provide a chance for greater intelligence sharing and teamwork.
Administration and intelligence officials told the Times that tracking down the virus' inception would require efforts from not only scientists, but also spies. Top officials have told the spy agencies that their scientifically focused teams will play a key part in the undertaking, after months of work on the subject already.
Current and former intelligence officials told the Times they were dubious that someone would unearth communications that would provide evidence of a lab leak.
One official told the paper that allies have been sharing intelligence since the start of the pandemic, with Britain among those considering the lab leak theory dubious, while others, such as Australia, have proved more amenable.
Biden said in the statement Wednesday that in March he had directed his national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, to task the intelligence community with preparing a report on the most up-to-date analysis of the origins of the pandemic, including whether the virus had emerged from human contact with an infected animal or from a laboratory accident. The President said he had received that report earlier this month and asked for additional follow-up.
"As of today, the U.S. Intelligence Community has 'coalesced around two likely scenarios' but has not reached a definitive conclusion on this question. Here is their current position: 'while two elements in the IC leans toward the former scenario and one leans more toward the latter -- each with low or moderate confidence -- the majority of elements do not believe there is sufficient information to assess one to be more likely than the other,'" Biden said in the statement.
That's essentially the same public determination that the intelligence community has had for more than a year about the origins of Covid-19, though Wednesday's statement did make clear that these two scenarios are "likely" and not just being investigated. CNN reported in April 2020 that the intelligence community was investigating if the novel coronavirus had spread from a Chinese laboratory rather than a market in Wuhan, China. The Chinese government has maintained that the virus originated and spread naturally.
State Dept. COVID investigator: ‘Ridiculous’ to say virus was natural
https://nypost.com/2021/05/27/…ay-covid-was-natural/amp/
A member of the State Department team whose investigation into the origins of coronavirus was halted by the Biden administration claimed Thursday it was “sort of ridiculous” to believe the virus passed naturally from animals to humans.
“We were finding that despite the claims of our scientific community, including the National Institutes of Health and Dr. [Anthony] Fauci’s NIAID organization, that there was almost no evidence that supported a natural zoonotic evolution or source of COVID-19,” former State Department head investigator David Asher told Fox News’ “America Reports”.
“The data disproportionately stacked up, as we investigated, that it was coming out of a lab or some supernatural source,” he added.
The inquiry was launched last fall by the Trump administration and then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, but was stopped earlier this year over reports about its early findings, CNN reported Tuesday. In his interview Asher singled out former State Department official Chris Ford for what he called “disgraceful” behavior toward the investigation.
He seemed disinterested,” Asher recalled. “He said even if we came to it, how did we know where it came out of, what lab. Very rarely in my life in government have I ever encountered someone who was more of a ‘neg’-ocrat, less a bureaucrat, than that individual.”
Fox News reported that Ford, then the assistant secretary of state for international security and non-proliferation, had expressed concern that the probe had been kept secret from him and bypassed State Department and intelligence community biological experts.
The belief that the coronavirus leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology gained traction over the weekend when the Wall Street Journal reported that three researchers there sought hospital treatment in November 2019. The Journal reported that the workers experienced symptoms consistent with coronavirus and other illnesses and were hospitalized prior to the first confirmed case of COVID-19 in Wuhan.
Asher claimed Thursday that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was “the epicenter of synthetic biology in the People’s Republic of China and they were up to some very hairy stuff with synthetic biology and so-called gain of function techniques.”
Fauci, the White House chief medical adviser, acknowledged earlier this week that NIH granted the Wuhan lab $600,000 over a period of five years to investigate bat coronaviruses, but emphatically denied the money was used for gain of function research, which involves making viruses more transmissible and dangerous.
(CNN)President Joe Biden's instructions to the US intelligence community to redouble its efforts in investigating the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic came on the heels of intelligence officials informing the White House that they possessed unreviewed evidence necessitating greater computer analysis that could potentially provide answers, The New York Times reported Thursday.
All documents of evidence have been leaked already a year ago... Also one from MI6.
“The data disproportionately stacked up, as we investigated, that it was coming out of a lab or some supernatural source,” he added.
It was always about politics and how to deal in benefits from China.
Fauci, the White House chief medical adviser, acknowledged earlier this week that NIH granted the Wuhan lab $600,000 over a period of five years to investigate bat coronaviruses, but emphatically denied the money was used for gain of function research, which involves making viruses more transmissible and dangerous.
Why is Dr. Mengele (Fauci) still out of jail??
I didn't have a point. Just posted an article, with some quotes about good news. Nothing else.
Okay, well, it is mixed news. Some studies support it, others contradict it. That is big contrast to the news about vaccines, which ranges from good to fantastic. Except for the Chinese vaccine, which does not appear to work.
The article uses Mexican Ministry of Health data, with quotes from Mexican doctors. There are no opinions expressed by the reporter, or politics of any kind. I detect no bias, or favoritism.
Yes. I agree this is legit source of information. So are the other studies indicating that ivermectin works, as far as I know. I am not accusing any researcher or doctor of bias or favoritism; I am saying the issue is unclear. The consensus of opinion seems to be that ivermectin does not work. So that's what the CDC and WHO are saying. They have to report the consensus; that is their job. As I said, it may be that the stuff works sometimes but not other times. I have no idea why that might be, but I have read about similar outcomes, and sometimes these things depend on the dose or the stage of the disease when it is used. A expert would have to look closely at the different double-blind studies to sort out what is going on. Even an expert might not be able to figure out why the results vary. That's biology for you.
Anyway, newspaper readers should not jump to conclusions about this. It is a complicated subject. People should be very careful about self-medicating with ivermectin. People here should definitely refrain from saying there is a conspiracy by Big Pharma to suppress the use of ivermectin, or that researchers who report negative results are corrupt.
A member of the State Department team whose investigation into the origins of coronavirus was halted by the Biden administration claimed Thursday it was “sort of ridiculous” to believe the virus passed naturally from animals to humans.
“We were finding that despite the claims of our scientific community, including the National Institutes of Health and Dr. [Anthony] Fauci’s NIAID organization, that there was almost no evidence that supported a natural zoonotic evolution or source of COVID-19,” former State Department head investigator David Asher told Fox News’ “America Reports”.
David Asher is not a biologist. His degree is not in science at all. As it happens, his background is similar to mine:
"Dr. Asher has a doctorate in international relations from Oxford University and was a College Scholar at Cornell University as an undergraduate. He is fluent in Japanese."
https://www.hudson.org/experts/1299-david-asher
I expect he learned Japanese at Cornell. So did I. They used to teach it rigorously, 12 hours a day. He is part of the national security apparatus. I know those people and I know what they know. I worked for them briefly, but I was more interested in programming.
So anyway, I can say with confidence that Asher has no business making categorical statements about the origin of this virus. He knows from nothing about it. The most he can say is: "some experts believe . . ." followed by: ". . . but the consensus does not support this claim." He does himself a disservice pretending to know about a complex technical issue that only a few people have mastered. It is as if I claimed to be an expert in neutron detection. I have read a lot about that while editing cold fusion papers. I know the basics of how it is done. I know what a scintillation cocktail is. I have been in labs and seen the instruments used to detect neutrons. I probably know more than most people. But if you gave me a detector and told me to operate it, I would not know which end is up. It would be outrageous for me to claim I am some sort of expert, or to make categorical assertions.
Here is some bad news. Unvaccinated people continue to get sick and die at high rates in the U.S. It is not surprising. We have not reached herd immunity yet. Even after we reach it, unvaccinated people will still be at risk, unless the virus goes extinct. What it boils down to is that unvaccinated people are counting on the rest of us to protect them, and that is a foolish bet. They may not realize that is what they are doing, but it is. They are risking their health and their lives in the service of anti-vaccine Death Cult. Member of this cult, directed by the Kremlin, have killed hundreds of thousands of people, and they would gladly kill millions more to secure their own political power and keep people frightened, ignorant, and in thrall of vicious lies.
https://www.washingtonpost.com…ates-unvaccinated-people/
The unseen covid-19 risk for unvaccinated people
With the adjustment for vaccination, the national death rate is roughly the same as it was two months ago, while the adjusted rates in several states show the pandemic is spreading as fast among the unvaccinated as it did during the winter surge.
. . . Oregon’s current surge is driven in part by a covid-19 variant known as B.1.1.7, which is 50 percent more contagious, said Tom Jeanne, a deputy state epidemiologist and a senior health adviser, in an interview.
It is characterized by outbreaks traced to social gatherings with unvaccinated people and no masks.
“They’re at very high risk for infection,” Jeanne said.
Washington state officials say they are caught between applauding the optimism that comes with vaccination and warning everyone who isn’t vaccinated that it’s still dangerous. . . .
I know those people and I know what they know.
They don't know much. They didn't used to, anyway. I used to read State Department and CIA reports on Japan for laughs.
Asher probably does know about Japan. He darn well should, or they have let things slide at Cornell. He probably knows a lot about COVID, too, but there is zero chance he is qualified to render an opinion about whether it is engineered. There is also zero chance that he knows better than the consensus of experts, which is that it is a natural virus. Of course I wouldn't know either, but I know what most experts are saying, and Asher is contradicting them.
That does not mean the virus couldn't have escaped from the lab. That is a different hypothesis. People have confused the two in discussions and news articles.
Not in Zimbabwe.. people use whatsapp.. the mainstream there is a river of corruption..
You should not trust the mainstream news in Russia or China either, as I said. In the Soviet Union they had two main newspapers, Pravda and Izvestia, which mean "The Truth" and "The Light." They used to say: "There is no Truth in the Light, and no Light in the Truth."
Okay, well, it is mixed news. Some studies support it, others contradict it.
JED is going on to Spread lies. No study does contradict. It's the journalist that wrongly cite the study that want to see a contradiction.
What it boils down to is that unvaccinated people are counting on the rest of us to protect them, and that is a foolish bet. The
No! They count on Ivermectin! Unluckily the FM/R/J doctors do not treat people adequately even worse the use expensive experimental drugs of no use to suck out their victims.
It looks like the USA politics did morph into the same political blood sucker structure as an average African dictator country has. In the rest of the world deaths are going down because of proper treatment of CoV-19 patients.
Lucky countries that went all in ion Ivermectin now see more or less no death from CoV-19.
Others like Israel are cheating. Reporting no infection but a high death number compared to cases....
Display MoreJED is going on to Spread lies. No study does contradict. It's the journalist that wrongly cite the study that want to see a contradiction.
No! They count on Ivermectin! Unluckily the FM/R/J doctors do not treat people adequately even worse the use expensive experimental drugs of no use to suck out their victims.
It looks like the USA politics did morph into the same political blood sucker structure as an average African dictator country has. In the rest of the world deaths are going down because of proper treatment of CoV-19 patients.
Lucky countries that went all in ion Ivermectin now see more or less no death from CoV-19.
Others like Israel are cheating. Reporting no infection but a high death number compared to cases....
Display MoreJED is going on to Spread lies. No study does contradict. It's the journalist that wrongly cite the study that want to see a contradiction.
No! They count on Ivermectin! Unluckily the FM/R/J doctors do not treat people adequately even worse the use expensive experimental drugs of no use to suck out their victims.
It looks like the USA politics did morph into the same political blood sucker structure as an average African dictator country has. In the rest of the world deaths are going down because of proper treatment of CoV-19 patients.
Lucky countries that went all in ion Ivermectin now see more or less no death from CoV-19.
Others like Israel are cheating. Reporting no infection but a high death number compared to cases....
The (international) national security apparatus exists to lie. In their view, that is the right thing to do for their mission. Counter-intelligence is lying at source. The public are babies, and they spoon-feed their minds.
It is clear from this board, that even those open-minded enough to consider a new energy source, can be massively manipulated psychologically - which means unable to see right from wrong, or see deception for what it is.
FLCCC Alliance Statement on the Irregular Actions of Public Health Agencies and the Widespread Disinformation Campaign Against Ivermectin
This says:
For too long the WHO and other public health authorities have ignored effective treatments like Ivermectin and the peer-reviewed science that supports it to help end this pandemic. We felt compelled to tell the public, our peers, and our colleagues the reasons why this is happening and what they can do about it.
Anyone can see that is not true. Spend 5 minutes with Google and you will see that the WHO and other public health agencies are not ignoring ivermectin. They have sponsored tests. The leading journals have published studies that say ivermectin works, and other studies that show it does not work. It is an open question.
