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should be worthy of a Nobel or two?

Ignorant: It already got one...

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Phase 1 & 2 & 3 are all RCT.

Not correct for the Pfizer Phase III study . Illegal supervision by Pfizer unblinded by selected friendly doctors... Result: 200 more people kicked out of vaccine arm. Vaccine: control ratio of kicked out 3:1. allowed 2-3 % not 200%.

Phase three would in fact have shown 0 protection from Pfizer vaccine due to immune suppression by spike protein.

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o have long COVID for more than a year you need to have been infected 12 months ago.

You must be unlucky to live in a big pharma fascist ruled country (GB,DE,FR,CH,ES..) that suppress medication (Ivermectin etc.) that help CoV-19 patients. I nominate now THH for the Dr. Mengele award for repeating problems that are caused by his round table buddies. The only intention for THH to post here is to help his buddies to make more money and to uphold/prolongate state terror restrictions.

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Here we analyzed the phylogenetic relationships of coronavirus spike proteins and mapped furin recognition motif on the tree.

Alan, it is not about whether there are furin cleavage site exist or not. It's about where these are located any why they used the specific (AIDS) pattern under discussion. So the location indicates it's man made and not the existence.

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2. The 80% with mild symptoms (which W calls very mild symptoms) may still end up with long COVID

You again talk nonsense. All studies have been done among people with symptoms only. 75% don't have any symptoms at all.

more evidence for the liers and deniers! Merck statement on ivermectin is financial not medical !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why make millions when you can make billions! More of the latest and greatest bullshit

Merck signs $1.2 billion deal with US government for experimental COVID treatment

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Hea…imental/story?id=78171591

$1.2 billion for 1.7million doses for new Merck wonder drug. Pretty hefty price for the consumer. Ivermectin costs $3.

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Merck signs $1.2 billion deal with US government for experimental COVID treatment

Officially MERK stopped the trial because the drug did not work. But now the US FM/R/J will help all failed buddies and shifts dozen of billion $$$$$$ to friendly bank accounts.

Same happened with Gilead (J mafia) crap drug Remdesivir, that has absolute not effect on CoV-19 patients and only lets them die up to 10 days longer. Here US/EU etc. already payed >10 billion $$$$$$$$ to mafia friends.

These things always happen under stress. Also after the Iraq war > 30 billion $$$$$$$$$$$$ of US taxpayer money directly went onto bank accounts of the FM/R/J mafia.

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Ok, now I think I understand your views. You think vaccines do not have RCTs, or, you think that I would never take a drug until it was validated by an RCT checking for side-effects over multiple years.

Vaccines have RCTs (very high quality) and track side effects over many months (COVID emergency use) or many years (normal vaccine process).

Vaccines have phase 1,2,3 trials.

Phase 1 & 2 & 3 are all RCT.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04516746

That is the phase 3 double-blind randomized trial for the Astrazeneca vaccine.

By the time anyone in the general population (not signing up for a study) gets to take even an emergency approval vaccine we have studies tracking possible side-effects over many months and the assurance that these are at a very low level.

But in any case for drugs I do not require months of study of putative long-term side-effects (nor does anyone ever check whether they have these). For drugs, the question is not even asked!

it is only because of the weird sociological phenomenon of anti-vax propaganda that this specific question of long-term side-effects is raised in the case of vaccines without evidence. You will remember the original lies that caused worldwide concern about links between Autism and MMR vaccine, when in fact repeated studies before and after those claims have found no such links, and the claims themselves have been shown to be falsified.

For me to think COVID drugs worthwhile, I just require short-term RCT evidence that they do more good than harm.

We know COVID has long-term side effects

In the case of COVID I know that COVID has very nasty long-term side-effects at a high level. Estimates for incidence of long COVID are still fragmentary, but I'd estimate 3X the mortality rate based on this evidence:

https://www.theguardian.com/so…t-experiencing-long-covid

367,000 people have long COVID > 1 year

125,000 COVID deaths

That looks a distinct under-estimate for the following reason: to have long COVID for more than a year you need to have been infected 12 months ago. Therefore the 2nd wave cases (more than 1/2) are not counted in this figure.

A more accurate estimate?

https://news.sky.com/story/cov…taken-first-wave-12206521

Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), which are widely regarded as the most reliable measure of deaths involving the virus, show the total number of people who died in the UK with COVID-19 on their death certificate was just over 117,000 as of 22 January.

Of those deaths, 57,701 took place between the beginning of the pandemic last spring and the end of August.

Some 59,677 COVID deaths have happened since then.

1st and second wave number of deaths roughly equal (once under-testing is factored in).

Therefore a decent estimate of the long COVID / death rate is 367,000 / 57,701 = or 6X. given an IFR of 0.7% (it was quite high in the UK, fairly old population) that is a 4% risk of getting long COVID over the whole population.

Why check vaccines more carefully than drugs?

In fact, the standards for vaccine safety should be comparable with those for prophylatic drugs. in both cases the treatment is given to everyone - even those who may never get the disease. for example flu vaccine is given to many people, most of whom in any given year will never get Flu. Therefore risk benefit requires it to be very safe. notice though that flu vaccine actually might have beneficial additional effects. It appears to boosts immunity against other non-flu diseases. specifically, there is research that it significantly increases the chance of survival from COVID!

https://www.webmd.com/lung/new…d-you-from-severe-covid#1

better description

However the evidence for Flu vaccine having a protective effect is not RCT and just as I treat correlation positive evidence for drugs cautiously, so I treat this evidence cautiously. There is a plausible mechanism based on stimulation of the innate immune system, but is speculative - just like the anti-viral evidence claimed for HCQ and IVT from in vitro studies. Historically in vitro studies have proven to be a poor predictor of in vivo performance, in addition the in vitro concentration needed for IVT to be effective is very high, higher than the safe dose in humans.

Caveat - the numbers above about long COVID are my back of envelope calculations - i have given links and methodology - such as it is. I expect a careful study will provide better figures, and I'd guess we will find this in print within a few months, as the quality of the evidence improves. I do not claim these figures are very accurate.

THH

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Did your phase 1, 2 or 3 show these vaccine drawbacks and if so please point them out to me as I have not read any papers pertaining to blood clots or any bleeding disorders before vaccination begun specific to oxford vaccine

AstraZeneca Vaccine Carries Slightly Higher Risk of Bleeding Disorders, Study Shoes

https://news.google.com/articl…=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

People receiving the Covid vaccine made by Oxford-AstraZeneca had a slightly increased risk of a bleeding disorder, and possibly other rare blood problems, researchers reported on Wednesday.

The findings, from a study of 2.53 million adults in Scotland who received their first doses of either the AstraZeneca vaccine or the one made by Pfizer-BioNTech, were published in the journal Nature Medicine. About 1.7 million of the shots were the AstraZeneca vaccine.

The study found no increased risk of the blood disorders with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

The AstraZeneca vaccine is not authorized for use in the United States, but it has been authorized by the European Medicines Agency, the European Union’s top drug regulator, as well as many countries outside the bloc. But reports of rare clotting and bleeding disorders in younger adults, some fatal, led a number of countries to limit the vaccine’s use to older people, and a few to drop it altogether.

The new study found that the AstraZeneca vaccine was linked to a slight increase in the risk of a disorder called immune thrombocytopenic purpura, or I.T.P., which can cause just bruising in some cases but also serious bleeding in others. The risk was estimated at 1.13 cases per 100,000 people receiving their first dose, up to 27 days after vaccination. That estimate would be in addition to the typical incidence in the United Kingdom, before the vaccine came into use, which was estimated at six to nine cases per 100,000.

The condition is treatable, and none of the cases in vaccine recipients were fatal, the researchers said. They emphasized that the benefits of the vaccine far outweighed the small risk, and noted that Covid itself is far more likely than the vaccine to cause I.T.P.

But the researchers also wrote that even though the risks from the AstraZeneca vaccine were small, “alternative vaccines for individuals at low Covid-19 risk might be warranted when supply allows.”

It is not surprising to find I.T.P. in a few vaccine recipients, the researchers said, noting that small increases in the risk have also occurred with the vaccination for measles, mumps and rubella, and the shots for hepatitis B and flu.

In a commentary published with the study, experts on blood disorders said that I.T.P. could be difficult to diagnose and that the possible connection needed further analysis. But they wrote, “Nonetheless, the risk of vaccination-induced I.T.P. at the rate proposed seems to be far lower than the many risks associated with Covid-19 itself.”

What do you get when you suspend a stick magnet from a thread at its centre? A device for taking the magnet challenge of course.

Went to one of my neighbours who had a Pfizer shot in April and did the test. Had to get out of the breeze. After trying for over half a minute, the magnet did not appear to rotate in the vicinity of her shot. I tried this technique because I wanted to avoid any surface stickiness phenomenon. Maybe my magnet was not strong enough. Maybe my neighbour is one of those who don't go magnetic. Maybe the whole magnetic thing is a mistake. Lots of possibilities.

Anyway, I had a good conversation with her. All five family members got the same shot on the same day, administered by the same person. Of the five, the two daughters - in their twenties and thirties - were as sick as a dog for three days following their vaccination. The other three were fine, with the son in his twenties only having some arm discomfort.

My neighbour went on to say that one of her daughters who had a bad reaction to the vaccine thinks that she had Covid in very early January of 2020 (not 2021!) She and a group nine other students who had met together for a New Years Eve party got very sick. All of them. The daughter says she had never been sicker and considered going to hospital. One of the members of the group had been in contact with someone very recently returned from China, so that is why they suspect it was Covid. Her bad reaction to the vaccine reminded her of her sickness in January.

I told her about Ivermectin. She had no clue about it, which somehow doesn't surprise me.

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$1.2 billion for 1.7million doses for new Merck wonder drug. Pretty hefty price for the consumer. Ivermectin costs $3.

As said: Money (from friends for friends) for a useless drug see report:

https://www.eunethta.eu/wp-con…19_Molnupiravir_v.6.0.pdf

India .. the land of the free..

the Indian Bar Association serves legal notice to the WHO

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61. That, you and WHO have misled and misguided all the people throughout the pandemic,

starting from the delay in raising alarm soon after SARS-CoV2 was detected in China,

your failure to prevail over China in conducting an impartial investigation into the origins of the virus,

inordinate time consumed before
declaring Remdesivir, Hydroxychloroquine, convalescent plasma as ‘ineffective’
in treatment of COVID-19,

ever changing theories around SARS-CoV2 being
transmitted through droplets or it being air borne and many more.

The world is gradually waking up to your absurd, arbitrary and fallacious approach in presenting
concocted facts as ‘scientific approach’.

As the famous quote of Abraham Lincoln goes –
“You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the
people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.”

https://indianbarassociation.i…Chief-Scientist-WHO-1.pdf

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India .. the land of the free..

the Indian Bar Association serves legal notice to the WHO

That's absurd. The WHO has no legal or regulatory authority in India or anywhere else. It has only an advisory role.

Furthermore, the WHO's advice has been excellent. Countries such as Japan that paid close attention to it, and followed the advice, had 50 to 100 times fewer deaths than countries that ignored the WHO, such as the U.S.

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That's absurd.

Its happening... you need to read the notice 51 pages fully..

https://indianbarassociation.i…Chief-Scientist-WHO-1.pdf

I am sure that plenty of lawyers in the bar association have personal deadly experience with Covid

The WHO chief scientist actually withdrew the MERCKy tweet after the Indian Bar went after her

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2. That, you have tweeted the following on May 10, 2021 on Twitter:
“Safety and efficacy are important when using any drug for a new
indication. @WHO recommends against the use of Ivermectin for
#COVID19 except within clinical trials https: //t.co/dSbDiW5tCW

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Furthermore, the WHO's advice has been excellent.

More news from Absurdistan Jed's home country. WHO did recommend not to stop traffic from China/ Wuhan.

--> The US FM/R/J mafia was eager for a new business case despite it came two years to early...

Who recommends to kill people by not giving them Ivermectin/HCQ. - WHO Deserves the Dr. Mengele award

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Its happening... you need to read the petition fully..

https://indianbarassociation.i…Chief-Scientist-WHO-1.pdf

Many things that happen are absurd.

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I am sure that plenty of lawyers in the bar association have personal expereince with Covid

What possible relevance could that have?!?

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The WHO chief scientist actually withdrew the MERCKy tweet after the Indian Bar went after her

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2. That, you have tweeted the following on May 10, 2021 on Twitter:
“Safety and efficacy are important when using any drug for a new

So, the bar association is using threat of legal action to harass scientific advisors for expressing their professional opinions. Do you think that is a good thing? Should the WHO experts revise their opinions whenever lawyers tell them to? Should they say whatever politicians, housewives, or truck drivers tell them to say?

If the WHO is wrong about ivermectin, that dispute must be settled by professional experts in medicine and public health in their various institutions. It should not be settled in courts, or in the newspapers, legislatures or taxi cabs.

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threat of legal action to harass scientific advisors

Rothwellian rhetoric..

maybe you should take the bar to absurd court for 'harassment' of the WHO"

we are no longer in Kansas .. we are in Georgia

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So, the bar association is using threat of legal action to harass scientific advisors for expressing their professional opinions.

Most people in WHO's decision board once - long time ago - were experts. Now they act as heavily bribed FM/R/J/B mafia members.

FM/R/J/B bribes do not work the usual way the word has been defined. So e.g. important members of FM/R/J/B get tax free income, free club memberships, payed vacations and gifts (cars, houses, yachts)- that informally are owned by an other person/institution - for permanent use. In the good old times where UBS Switzerland (now Singapur)organized the bribe cash transfers you got a shadow card of a regular customer. --> "Free money from the wall" - world wide.

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What possible relevance could that have?!?

I am sure that Covid cut a swathe thru the elderly professionals in Mumbai..Maharastra etc

https://www.tribuneindia.com/n…bjee-dies-of-covid-246296

the fact that the WHO ignored the public evidence from FLCCC BIRD etc on ivermectin

and tweeted Merck

was a shock to the Indian bar..

https://indianbarassociation.i…Chief-Scientist-WHO-1.pdf

harassing does not = airing a grievance

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the fact that the WHO ignored the public evidence from FLCCC BIRD etc on ivermectin

and tweeted Merck

was a shock to the Indian bar..

Okay what this boils down to is:

You, Robert Bryant and some Indian lawyers disagree with public health officials. You think you know better than they do, even though countries that followed their advice had 50 to 100 times fewer deaths than countries that ignored them. And because you consider yourself more expert than the experts, you want to put lawyers in charge of public health policy. Not doctors or scientists -- lawyers.

Good luck with that.