It's difficult to compare countries see nordic countries There are more also we had no protective gears for the care workers in the elderaly

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It raises a lot of interesting issues but gets some wrong.

Sure, much we don't know, but by now much we do.

Ignoring what it says about what governments say (it depends which country you are in):

(1) True, deaths at any time depend on infection rates which vary enormously. And people tend only to look at deaths

(2) False, the vaccine maybe does not do much good against other strains. We have good figures for VE against delta. VE against infections is not great but still a bit worthwhile in terms of reducing infections. Delta is so infectious it will not be stopped by vaccines alone, practically. VE against serious infection and death is excellent against delta and stays very good for at least 6 months, after which a booster shot puts it back to excellent. By excellent I mean 20X less chance of serious disease. We don't know exactly how immunity decays from vaccination over long times.

Those two facts are enough. It does not matter that you need people to get covid as well to achieve herd immunity. If they are vaccinated first the death toll is 5X - 20X less. Younger people have lower risks anyway, but also have higher relative protection from the vaccine. Which is not the point - absolute reduction in risk is what matters.

Once everyone who is going to catch COVID has done so, then COVID becomes a less severe disease, especially if we have the right drugs to reduce long COVID etc.

Vaccines reduce death getting to that nice place, and also delay it, so that more drugs are well understood thus further reducing harm.

The tone of that link is more "vaccines are a hysterical over-reaction". They do at the margins reduce R which is why governments are keen on them for young people. They also reduce small absolute risks for young people, which is why doctors are keen on them (at least from say 15 up). But mainly they reduce hospital burden and getting very high fraction of vaccinated in older (> 40) age groups is essential for countries wanting hospitals to operate normally and keep their population alive. You still need vaccination below that - for hospitals - because otherwise a very high peak in infections and hospitalisation can still occur, even though the individual risks are small for younger ages. And small does not mean 0.

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I do not know how under reported, but I do noticed that the his collegues told they didn't know how to do this. Now he and his colleuges are probably young and the senior doctors may know and make sure there are good reporting, still I would do a research project to investigate this. To understand this guy, you need to see more of his post. His not an anti vaccer, but he have discovered a lot of overuse of medicins and also discusses problems in the system we setup to do our medics. One thing that is obvious are that the test procedures medicines can be gamed by the medical companies and they do seam to take advantage of this, another fact and my personal pet argument is the disatstrous oversubscription of opioids in USA, But there are more subtle discoveries that he discusses such as doctors seam to be bad at basic probability theory. Also he is very keen on teaching the scientific method and how to read studies properly.

I think that when you are arguing that ER's on places that does not take vaccines ore over crowded, then note that most of them probably are old stubborn people that does not take the jab, but what he is arguing is that the vaccinating the younger population may be less of a slam dunk. Personally I think young people should take the jab. First of all, we will have new strains with or without vaccination and new strains may start to kill the young ones, Also having the jab seam to still allow infection but hinder death and icu so for the virus that's even better that having no vaccine and the host is killed e.g. there is in reality not an especially big push for the virus to mutate compared to natural immunity. And if the virus starts to mutate and attack also young people then we are prepared if they already are vaccinated. The negative, like long term effects i an unknonw as well and also as you say, it is more and more clear that the side effects really is not that bad. Things really are complicated if you dig into it and I understand this guy's position. And then we have all the madness out there that destroy's the scientific discussion with people flocking to sides and start to stop thinking and use their but to argue. I'm too old to care as I said before, but this gives a lot of understanding of why social media starts to sensor sensible discussions and that you may find a good report that wants to argue against the common rejected.

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I do not know how under reported, but I do noticed that the his collegues told they didn't know how to do this. Now he and his colleuges are probably young and the senior doctors may know and make sure there are good reporting, still I would do a research project to investigate this. To understand this guy, you need to see more of his post. His not an anti vaccer, but he have discovered a lot of overuse of medicins and also discusses problems in the system we setup to do our medics. One thing that is obvious are that the test procedures medicines can be gamed by the medical companies and they do seam to take advantage of this, another fact and my personal pet argument is the disatstrous oversubscription of opioids in USA, But there are more subtle discoveries that he discusses such as doctors seam to be bad at basic probability theory. Also he is very keen on teaching the scientific method and how to read studies properly.

Yes, my link about him made that clear. I think he is right that drug companies do game trials as much as they can, but has drug companies are evil as too large a thing in his thought processes. Drug companies do what they can to make money and have power. regulators are there to keep things fair. Maybe the regulators should be more powerful, but it is easy to extrapolate from cases of abuse that the whole system is not fit for purpose.

The opioids thing is a particularly nasty example of what we had in the UK a lot before NICE. Drug companies would give GPs freebies etc and get them to over-prescribe their drugs, or juts prescribe them when the generic equivalents are 1/10th the cost.

That is aggressive marketing which you always get, and it must be controlled as it was not in the US which I think is generally worse about these things.

Actually falsifying test results, or hiding safety issues with a vaccine, is not that likely on a very high profile thing like COVID vaccines - where any bad practice is bound to be found out - and the players doing it are major companies.

And, let me reiterate, our best unfalsifiable info on vaccine safety comes from the mass self-controlled case studies done using UK hospital records. It cannot pick up minor side effects, but will find anything reported to a GP. At least in the UK GPs were very aware of the myocarditis issue, and the blood clot issue.

Great study, uniquely well controlled and large, it would be nice to do the same thing (the data is all there) on a wider range of conditions.

German Press Conference on Post-vaccine Deaths Censored

German Press Conference on Post-vaccine Deaths Censored

Public faith in the vaccination protocols mandated by governments around the world is waning in response to censorship of material deemed to promote

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Public faith in the vaccination protocols mandated by governments around the world is waning in response to censorship of material deemed to promote anti-vaccine agendas. TrialSite has been covering news related to post-vaccination deaths and the responses from vaccine companies and governments around the world. In September, another group of experts hosted a press conference in Germany to discuss post-vaccination deaths and microscopic analysis of the vaccines that may have caused them.

In recent years, the German public received 40 million vaccinations annually, administered to protect them from influenza, mumps, measles, and other long-established illnesses. In any given year, approximately 20 people die within 14 days of vaccination. Between January and July 2021, following the introduction of the COVID-19 vaccines, 80-90 million vaccinations (of any sort) were administered – and 1,230 people died within two weeks of injection. This is a 20-fold rise in vaccine-related deaths within a short amount of time, even after considering that vaccination numbers have doubled.

It is this trend in post-vaccination deaths that led a group of doctors and scientists to take a closer look at the autopsy reports from these post-vaccination mortalities. These facts were presented by Professor Dr. Werner Bergholz at a press conference held on September 20 at the Pathology Institute in Reutlingen, Germany. “We have to ask: do we have a risk, or do we have a problem? The answer is, very clearly, yes – we do have a problem,” he stated in his opening remarks at the press conference.

Coverage of the conference went viral, but filming and video footage was soon removed from YouTube, cited as anti-vaccination content. It is available on some sites with English translation.

Meet the Panel

The chief speakers at the press conference are all well-known experts with a lifetime of experience in pathology and quality management:

Professor Dr. Arne Burkhardt taught at the universities of Hamburg, Bern, Tübingen, and is a visiting teacher at Nihon University in Japan and the Brookhaven National Institute. He was a practicing pathologist and has published over 150 articles. He was also the head of the Institute of Pathology in Reutlingen for 18 years.

Professor Dr. Walter Lang was a pathologist for 17 years at Hanover Medical School and eventually headed a private institute for pathology, also in Hanover, which specializes in transplant pathology, extra-gynecological cytology, thyroid tumors, and lung pathology. He performed consultation diagnostics for 12 primary lung clinics and performed liver pathology exams for numerous clinics.

Professor Dr. Werner Bergholz is a former professor of electrical engineering who focuses on quality and risk management at Jakobs University in Bremen. Before teaching, he had 17 years of experience working in chip production management at Siemens.

Are these deaths caused by the COVID vaccine?

Doctors and scientists are working closely to study the vaccines, their side effects, and if the deaths that happened after vaccination are related to the vaccine itself. Around 33% of the global population has been vaccinated with at least one shot against COVID-19, but there’s still a lot of things we don’t know about the vaccines.

In the press conference, the results of studies from Germany, Austria, Japan, and America were presented. Researchers sought to establish whether the risk of COVID-19 is higher than established side effects of vaccination and whether the vaccines had any non-declared components.

Autopsies of 8 people who died after the COVID-19 vaccination were discussed. While there was no single common symptom or cause of death, several findings pointed to immune complex formation, which could be feasibly linked to vaccination. The findings included:

Reduction of immune capacity

Influence of cancer growth

Vascular damage like endothelitis, vasculitis, and perivasculitis

Erythrocyte clumping

The assembled experts demanded answers and explanations for their findings. They are asking the public to think and see if the risks of these vaccines are outweighed by the protection the vaccine promises.

What are the True Numbers?

It is difficult to ascertain the true figures for post-vaccination deaths around the world. This is in part due to inaccessible data systems and in part due to a lack of standardization across health ministries on the definition of post-vaccination.

Data from the UK from January to July 2021 record events within 21 days of vaccination, rather than the 14 days in the German data above. The government site reports that nearly 19,000 people died within 21 days of the first COVID vaccination dose and over 11,000 within 21 days of the second dose. In these figures, the proportion of deaths attributable to the virus itself reduces from 23.5% for those having one dose to 1.6% for those having received two doses. Causes of death in the remaining cases, and any possible link to the vaccination they received, are not detailed.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that between December 14, 2020, and September 27, 2021, more than 390 million doses of COVID vaccinations were administered. In the same timeframe, 8,164 deaths among vaccinated people were reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). This equates to 0.0021%, leading the CDC to conclude that “COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.”

Foreign Bodies Found in Vaccines

At the same press conference, an Austrian research group presented microscopic analyses of hundreds of vaccine bottles from Pfizer, Moderna, and AstraZeneca. Their study’s first discovery was foreign bodies found in the vaccines, which they claim the vaccine manufacturers did not declare.

In August, 39 vials of the Moderna vaccine in Japan were found to be contaminated with metal. Shortly after, black and pink substances were spotted in syringes and vials of the vaccine in a vaccination center of Okinawa and Gunma. After these reports, Japan suspended the use of Moderna vaccines, recalled 1.6 million vaccines, and signed a replacement deal with Novavax. Some 3,790 shots from that batch had been administered before these contaminants were discovered. As TrialSite recently reported, deaths occurred in at least two patients after receiving their second doses from this batch, and the cause is being investigated by the Ministry of Health, Labor and Public Welfare (MHLW), Japan. However, though the vaccines belonged to the same batch, they did not belong to the lots that had rubber or metal contaminants in them.

In September, 95 vials of unused Pfizer vaccine in Japan were found to have floating contaminants, five of which had already been distributed to vaccination clinics. After visual inspection of the remaining vials from the same batch, the officials of Japan gave them the all-clear as there was no visible sign of contamination.

In June, human proteins were found in the AstraZeneca vaccine. These are thought to be due to the human kidney cell line used in vitro to replicate the adenovirus vector for the vaccine. The presence of human proteins could trigger an immune response in the vaccine recipient, and experts believe that this could be the cause of the rare blood-clotting side effects of the vaccine.

Besides the impurities found in these vaccines, they also reported adverse side effects.

Pfizer and Moderna

A US citizen died due to thrombocytopenia, a condition where the blood has a lower number of platelets which could cause mild to serious bleeding internally or externally. There are 20 reported cases of thrombocytopenia developing after vaccination.

Myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis, an inflammation of the outer lining of the heart, were also reported after receiving the second dose of the vaccine. This is most likely to occur in adolescents and young adults.

AstraZeneca

In a study conducted by researchers in Greifswald, Germany, of 11 patients who died 5-16 days after vaccination, one had a brain bleed, nine had blood clots in the brain, three had blockages in the lung artery because of blood clots, and the remaining four had other types of blood clots. None of them received any anti-coagulants to prevent blood clots.

The difference between these deaths and those with classic blood clotting diseases was the severity of symptoms. Those who developed the disease because of autoimmunity had a higher frequency of intravascular coagulation, which was also observed in the autopsied patients. This is being referred to as vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT) to prevent confusion with heparin-induced thrombocytopenia.

A response from the vaccine companies?

The vaccine manufacturers and government officials have already offered an explanation for some of the incidents reported in the press conference.

The metal contaminant found in Moderna vaccines was immediately investigated and traced back to the manufacturing site in Spain. It was found to be stainless steel. The friction of two pieces of metals incorrectly placed in the production line caused the contamination, according to a joint statement by Moderna and Takeda, their manufacturing partner in Japan. However, they reject the suggestion that this contamination could have led to deaths, as “the metallic particles of this size injected into a muscle may result in a local reaction, but are unlikely to result in other adverse reactions.”

Meanwhile, the Health Minister of Japan declared that the black particles in vaccine vials were pieces of a rubber stopper due to needles being inserted incorrectly in to the vials.

A Pfizer spokesperson explained that the material found in the vials was likely ingredients not fully dissolved and would not affect the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine. They assured the public that they are manufacturing the vaccine under strict protocols to ensure the quality, purity, and potency of the vaccine and also to ensure the safety of the patient and the vaccine’s efficacy. They are already conducting a full investigation regarding the matter.

AstraZeneca explained that the risk of dying from VITT is 1 in a million. For comparison, the Australian Academy of Science reports that the risk of dying from general anesthesia is 18 in a million, death from rock climbing is 3 in a million, death from taking aspirin daily is 100 in a million, and death from giving birth is 67 in a million. Their assurance is that it is extremely rare, considering the benefits of the vaccine.

A Growing Issue?

As of October 5, 6.34 billion doses of the COVID vaccine have been given globally. While systems are in place within each country for reporting of adverse effects, including post-vaccination deaths, database updates are often delayed, and the information is not always accessible.

The decision to remove footage of this press conference from public media does nothing to dispel the sense of censorship, and paranoia among some – surrounding the vaccination issue. TrialSite will continue to monitor this situation and report ongoing findings.

Cause of death after COVID-19 vaccination & Undeclared components of the COVID-19 vaccines

https://pathologie-konferenz.de/en/

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German Press Conference on Post-vaccine Deaths Censored

https://trialsitenews.com/germ…-vaccine-deaths-censored/

Public faith in the vaccination protocols mandated by governments around the world is waning in response to censorship of material deemed to promote anti-vaccine agendas. TrialSite has been covering news related to post-vaccination deaths and the responses from vaccine companies and governments around the world. In September, another group of experts hosted a press conference in Germany to discuss post-vaccination deaths and microscopic analysis of the vaccines that may have caused them.

In recent years, the German public received 40 million vaccinations annually, administered to protect them from influenza, mumps, measles, and other long-established illnesses. In any given year, approximately 20 people die within 14 days of vaccination. Between January and July 2021, following the introduction of the COVID-19 vaccines, 80-90 million vaccinations (of any sort) were administered – and 1,230 people died within two weeks of injection. This is a 20-fold rise in vaccine-related deaths within a short amount of time, even after considering that vaccination numbers have doubled.

It is this trend in post-vaccination deaths that led a group of doctors and scientists to take a closer look at the autopsy reports from these post-vaccination mortalities. These facts were presented by Professor Dr. Werner Bergholz at a press conference held on September 20 at the Pathology Institute in Reutlingen, Germany. “We have to ask: do we have a risk, or do we have a problem? The answer is, very clearly, yes – we do have a problem,” he stated in his opening remarks at the press conference.

Coverage of the conference went viral, but filming and video footage was soon removed from YouTube, cited as anti-vaccination content. It is available on some sites with English translation.

Meet the Panel

The chief speakers at the press conference are all well-known experts with a lifetime of experience in pathology and quality management:

Professor Dr. Arne Burkhardt taught at the universities of Hamburg, Bern, Tübingen, and is a visiting teacher at Nihon University in Japan and the Brookhaven National Institute. He was a practicing pathologist and has published over 150 articles. He was also the head of the Institute of Pathology in Reutlingen for 18 years.

Professor Dr. Walter Lang was a pathologist for 17 years at Hanover Medical School and eventually headed a private institute for pathology, also in Hanover, which specializes in transplant pathology, extra-gynecological cytology, thyroid tumors, and lung pathology. He performed consultation diagnostics for 12 primary lung clinics and performed liver pathology exams for numerous clinics.

Professor Dr. Werner Bergholz is a former professor of electrical engineering who focuses on quality and risk management at Jakobs University in Bremen. Before teaching, he had 17 years of experience working in chip production management at Siemens.

Are these deaths caused by the COVID vaccine?

Doctors and scientists are working closely to study the vaccines, their side effects, and if the deaths that happened after vaccination are related to the vaccine itself. Around 33% of the global population has been vaccinated with at least one shot against COVID-19, but there’s still a lot of things we don’t know about the vaccines.

In the press conference, the results of studies from Germany, Austria, Japan, and America were presented. Researchers sought to establish whether the risk of COVID-19 is higher than established side effects of vaccination and whether the vaccines had any non-declared components.

Autopsies of 8 people who died after the COVID-19 vaccination were discussed. While there was no single common symptom or cause of death, several findings pointed to immune complex formation, which could be feasibly linked to vaccination. The findings included:

Reduction of immune capacity

Influence of cancer growth

Vascular damage like endothelitis, vasculitis, and perivasculitis

Erythrocyte clumping

The assembled experts demanded answers and explanations for their findings. They are asking the public to think and see if the risks of these vaccines are outweighed by the protection the vaccine promises.

What are the True Numbers?

It is difficult to ascertain the true figures for post-vaccination deaths around the world. This is in part due to inaccessible data systems and in part due to a lack of standardization across health ministries on the definition of post-vaccination.

Data from the UK from January to July 2021 record events within 21 days of vaccination, rather than the 14 days in the German data above. The government site reports that nearly 19,000 people died within 21 days of the first COVID vaccination dose and over 11,000 within 21 days of the second dose. In these figures, the proportion of deaths attributable to the virus itself reduces from 23.5% for those having one dose to 1.6% for those having received two doses. Causes of death in the remaining cases, and any possible link to the vaccination they received, are not detailed.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports that between December 14, 2020, and September 27, 2021, more than 390 million doses of COVID vaccinations were administered. In the same timeframe, 8,164 deaths among vaccinated people were reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). This equates to 0.0021%, leading the CDC to conclude that “COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective.”

Foreign Bodies Found in Vaccines

At the same press conference, an Austrian research group presented microscopic analyses of hundreds of vaccine bottles from Pfizer, Moderna, and AstraZeneca. Their study’s first discovery was foreign bodies found in the vaccines, which they claim the vaccine manufacturers did not declare.

In August, 39 vials of the Moderna vaccine in Japan were found to be contaminated with metal. Shortly after, black and pink substances were spotted in syringes and vials of the vaccine in a vaccination center of Okinawa and Gunma. After these reports, Japan suspended the use of Moderna vaccines, recalled 1.6 million vaccines, and signed a replacement deal with Novavax. Some 3,790 shots from that batch had been administered before these contaminants were discovered. As TrialSite recently reported, deaths occurred in at least two patients after receiving their second doses from this batch, and the cause is being investigated by the Ministry of Health, Labor and Public Welfare (MHLW), Japan. However, though the vaccines belonged to the same batch, they did not belong to the lots that had rubber or metal contaminants in them.

In September, 95 vials of unused Pfizer vaccine in Japan were found to have floating contaminants, five of which had already been distributed to vaccination clinics. After visual inspection of the remaining vials from the same batch, the officials of Japan gave them the all-clear as there was no visible sign of contamination.

In June, human proteins were found in the AstraZeneca vaccine. These are thought to be due to the human kidney cell line used in vitro to replicate the adenovirus vector for the vaccine. The presence of human proteins could trigger an immune response in the vaccine recipient, and experts believe that this could be the cause of the rare blood-clotting side effects of the vaccine.

Besides the impurities found in these vaccines, they also reported adverse side effects.

Pfizer and Moderna

A US citizen died due to thrombocytopenia, a condition where the blood has a lower number of platelets which could cause mild to serious bleeding internally or externally. There are 20 reported cases of thrombocytopenia developing after vaccination.

Myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, and pericarditis, an inflammation of the outer lining of the heart, were also reported after receiving the second dose of the vaccine. This is most likely to occur in adolescents and young adults.

AstraZeneca

In a study conducted by researchers in Greifswald, Germany, of 11 patients who died 5-16 days after vaccination, one had a brain bleed, nine had blood clots in the brain, three had blockages in the lung artery because of blood clots, and the remaining four had other types of blood clots. None of them received any anti-coagulants to prevent blood clots.

The difference between these deaths and those with classic blood clotting diseases was the severity of symptoms. Those who developed the disease because of autoimmunity had a higher frequency of intravascular coagulation, which was also observed in the autopsied patients. This is being referred to as vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT) to prevent confusion with heparin-induced thrombocytopenia.

A response from the vaccine companies?

The vaccine manufacturers and government officials have already offered an explanation for some of the incidents reported in the press conference.

The metal contaminant found in Moderna vaccines was immediately investigated and traced back to the manufacturing site in Spain. It was found to be stainless steel. The friction of two pieces of metals incorrectly placed in the production line caused the contamination, according to a joint statement by Moderna and Takeda, their manufacturing partner in Japan. However, they reject the suggestion that this contamination could have led to deaths, as “the metallic particles of this size injected into a muscle may result in a local reaction, but are unlikely to result in other adverse reactions.”

Meanwhile, the Health Minister of Japan declared that the black particles in vaccine vials were pieces of a rubber stopper due to needles being inserted incorrectly in to the vials.

A Pfizer spokesperson explained that the material found in the vials was likely ingredients not fully dissolved and would not affect the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine. They assured the public that they are manufacturing the vaccine under strict protocols to ensure the quality, purity, and potency of the vaccine and also to ensure the safety of the patient and the vaccine’s efficacy. They are already conducting a full investigation regarding the matter.

AstraZeneca explained that the risk of dying from VITT is 1 in a million. For comparison, the Australian Academy of Science reports that the risk of dying from general anesthesia is 18 in a million, death from rock climbing is 3 in a million, death from taking aspirin daily is 100 in a million, and death from giving birth is 67 in a million. Their assurance is that it is extremely rare, considering the benefits of the vaccine.

A Growing Issue?

As of October 5, 6.34 billion doses of the COVID vaccine have been given globally. While systems are in place within each country for reporting of adverse effects, including post-vaccination deaths, database updates are often delayed, and the information is not always accessible.

The decision to remove footage of this press conference from public media does nothing to dispel the sense of censorship, and paranoia among some – surrounding the vaccination issue. TrialSite will continue to monitor this situation and report ongoing findings.

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This event is peak antivax hysteria and uninformed speculation, which TSN for whatever reason seems to want to publicise.

Why do we not get a proper discussion of the many different mechanisms to catch vaccine side effects, how they work, what are the current definite safety signals, what are the possible ones not yet firmed up, what are the real death rates. That info is all out there and published by the regulators. That would all be interesting. Instead we get this sensationalist hogwash full of innuendo and (real) FUD.

And the known blood clot issues - it is good to quantify the evidence that now exists - also good to compare it with the much larger risks from blood clots getting COVID. I would not trust these people to quantify anything - just as well we have regulators from many different countries all on the job of doing this.

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What are the True Numbers?

It is difficult to ascertain the true figures for post-vaccination deaths around the world. This is in part due to inaccessible data systems and in part due to a lack of standardization across health ministries on the definition of post-vaccination.

Data from the UK from January to July 2021 record events within 21 days of vaccination, rather than the 14 days in the German data above. The government site reports that nearly 19,000 people died within 21 days of the first COVID vaccination dose and over 11,000 within 21 days of the second dose. In these figures, the proportion of deaths attributable to the virus itself reduces from 23.5% for those having one dose to 1.6% for those having received two doses. Causes of death in the remaining cases, and any possible link to the vaccination they received, are not detailed.

The UK data is a great source for mining. But why do these antivax types (& TSN) not join up the dots and look at that 30M UK self-controlled study? It allows links to vaccination or COVID events to be strongly inferred because of the strength of the self-control - no problem with confounders. For blood clots it has exactly the detailed figures they say they want. And more. vaccines do cause these things. At very low levels. COVID causes them at much higher levels.

They would do more use if they read the literature and took an interest in working out real numbers...

People using emotion instead of fact on these matters really annoy me. Sheesh!

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In recent years, the German public received 40 million vaccinations annually, administered to protect them from influenza, mumps, measles, and other long-established illnesses. In any given year, approximately 20 people die within 14 days of vaccination. Between January and July 2021, following the introduction of the COVID-19 vaccines, 80-90 million vaccinations (of any sort) were administered – and 1,230 people died within two weeks of injection. This is a 20-fold rise in vaccine-related deaths within a short amount of time, even after considering that vaccination numbers have doubled.

And have they actually looked to see whether this is expected from the demographics?

The key cause of deaths following vaccines is that people die - but old people die much more than young. So it is not the number of vaccinations, but the number of vaccinations of much older people, that is relevant here.

Of course because background deaths dominate in all these things you need to look at all the other things affecting these...

Here is a great resource looking at the rates at which all these nasty things appear to happen... without vaccination. It is very dependent on age and sex and country.

Objective To quantify the background incidence rates of 15 prespecified adverse events of special interest (AESIs) associated with covid-19 vaccines.

Design Multinational network cohort study.

Setting Electronic health records and health claims data from eight countries: Australia, France, Germany, Japan, the Netherlands, Spain, the United Kingdom, and the United States, mapped to a common data model.

Participants 126 661 070 people observed for at least 365 days before 1 January 2017, 2018, or 2019 from 13 databases.

Main outcome measures Events of interests were 15 prespecified AESIs (non-haemorrhagic and haemorrhagic stroke, acute myocardial infarction, deep vein thrombosis, pulmonary embolism, anaphylaxis, Bell’s palsy, myocarditis or pericarditis, narcolepsy, appendicitis, immune thrombocytopenia, disseminated intravascular coagulation, encephalomyelitis (including acute disseminated encephalomyelitis), Guillain-Barré syndrome, and transverse myelitis). Incidence rates of AESIs were stratified by age, sex, and database. Rates were pooled across databases using random effects meta-analyses and classified according to the frequency categories of the Council for International Organizations of Medical Sciences.

Results Background rates varied greatly between databases. Deep vein thrombosis ranged from 387 (95% confidence interval 370 to 404) per 100 000 person years in UK CPRD GOLD data to 1443 (1416 to 1470) per 100 000 person years in US IBM MarketScan Multi-State Medicaid data among women aged 65 to 74 years. Some AESIs increased with age. For example, myocardial infarction rates in men increased from 28 (27 to 29) per 100 000 person years among those aged 18-34 years to 1400 (1374 to 1427) per 100 000 person years in those older than 85 years in US Optum electronic health record data. Other AESIs were more common in young people. For example, rates of anaphylaxis among boys and men were 78 (75 to 80) per 100 000 person years in those aged 6-17 years and 8 (6 to 10) per 100 000 person years in those older than 85 years in Optum electronic health record data. Meta-analytic estimates of AESI rates were classified according to age and sex.

Conclusion This study found large variations in the observed rates of AESIs by age group and sex, showing the need for stratification or standardisation before using background rates for safety surveillance. Considerable population level heterogeneity in AESI rates was found between databases.

And here is why it is tough to get real data on these very rare events. A good read.

Why is it so hard to investigate the rare side effects of COVID vaccines?

For the vast majority of people, COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. But further research is needed to understand the causes of rare adverse events.

www.nature.com

During the 2009 H1N1 influenza (or swine flu) pandemic, public-health agencies in Sweden and Finland raised the alarm about an increased rate of narcolepsy — a chronic and debilitating sleep disorder — in children who had received a dose of Pandemrix, an H1N1 vaccine.

Incidents of narcolepsy were reported at a rate of about one case per 18,400 vaccine doses, significantly higher than would be expected by chance². Public-health officials became concerned that a component of the vaccine used to increase the body’s immune response, called an adjuvant, could cause an unintended immune response that triggered the disease. If the adjuvant did contribute to the increased risk of narcolepsy, it would be an important consideration when designing future vaccines. Early studies suggested that Pandemrix did increased the risk of narcolepsy in certain age groups, but the results were too variable to draw broad conclusions.

More than ten years after that pandemic ended, scientists still don’t fully agree about the nature of the link between Pandemrix and narcolepsy. In 2018, vaccinologist Steven Black at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital in Ohio and a group of international colleagues published a study concluding that adjuvants alone are not associated with an increased risk of developing narcolepsy³.

The researchers compared background rates of narcolepsy in seven countries with the rates reported for groups vaccinated with Pandemrix and two other H1N1 vaccines containing adjuvants. They controlled for prevalence of the H1N1 virus in each country, and considered that reports of narcolepsy increased across Europe after people became aware of its potential association with the vaccine. “We did not find any evidence of increased risk within the countries that we studied, except in Sweden where the signal had been originally detected,” Black says.

New USA study confirms VE wanes to ~50% after 5m, but VE vs. hospitalization remains strong at >90%

New USA study confirms VE wanes to ~50% after 5m, but VE vs. hospitalization remains strong at >90%

A paper published October 4, 2021 in The Lancet based on >3.4m USA patients found Pfizer vaccine effectiveness (VE) vs. infection decreased from 88% 1m after…

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This event is peak antivax hysteria and uninformed speculation, which TSN for whatever reason seems to want to publicise.

Why do we not get a proper discussion of the many different mechanisms to catch vaccine side effects, how they work, what are the current definite safety signals, what are the possible ones not yet firmed up, what are the real death rates. That info is all out there and published by the regulators. That would all be interesting. Instead we get this sensationalist hogwash full of innuendo and (real) FUD.

And the known blood clot issues - it is good to quantify the evidence that now exists - also good to compare it with the much larger risks from blood clots getting COVID. I would not trust these people to quantify anything - just as well we have regulators from many different countries all on the job of doing this.

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New USA study confirms VE wanes to ~50% after 5m, but VE vs. hospitalization remains strong at >90%

https://www.covid-datascience.…tion-remains-strong-at-90

Yeah it wanes, similar figures that I see from swedish studies. But nobody knows what the meaning of this is in practice when it comes to protection from death and severe illness.

this is a real stress factor right now.

During a pandemic?

Dr. Francis Collins to step down as head of NIH

Dr. Francis Collins to step down as head of NIH

Dr. Francis Collins, the folksy, guitar-playing director of the National Institutes of Health, announced Tuesday that he plans to step down as head of the…

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UCSF Scientist-led Study Indicates Growing Occurrence of Breakthrough Infections

UCSF Scientist-led Study Indicates Growing Occurrence of Breakthrough Infections

TrialSite Op-ed author Geert Vanden Bossche warned public health authorities that intervening in a mass pandemic with mass vaccination could have both

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TrialSite Op-ed author Geert Vanden Bossche warned public health authorities that intervening in a mass pandemic with mass vaccination could have both “detrimental and beneficial effects,” which could vary depending on age, impacted by the unfolding of events. Suggesting that while mass intervention in the pandemic may lead to short-term benefits, the action may ultimately “lead to insufficient training of innate immune mechanisms,” fundamentally appearing “in those who primarily rely on innate immunity as the first line of immune defense (i.e., children). Vanden Bossche’s dire prediction centered on the premise that mass vaccination such as what is occurring in the world’s war against SARS-CoV-2 ultimately triggers the “propagation of more infectious variants.” A negative reinforcing cycle follows as “a resurgence of viral infectious pressure, thereby eroding the innate immune defense of the unvaccinated (i.e., mostly younger age groups), making them more susceptible to disease. Now a group of San Francisco Bay Area scientists probes the association between breakthrough cases and SARS-CoV-2 variants. Recently publishing their study in the preprint server medXriv, the authors came to a surprising conclusion, perhaps for the mainstream but probably not for Vanden Bossche, that their findings “suggest that vaccine breakthrough cases are preferentially caused by circulating antibody-resistant SARS-CoV-2 variants and that those with symptomatic breakthrough infections may potentially transmit COVID-19 as efficiently as those with unvaccinated infections, regardless, of the infecting lineage.” While POTUS continuously declares this is a “pandemic of the unvaccinated,” a rethink of such inappropriate, divisive, and seemingly factual incorrect assessments is in order.

Northern California Teams

The scientific research team represented several institutions, including University of California, San Francisco, UCSF Abbott Viral Diagnostics and Discovery Center, SF Department of Public Health, Color Genomics, Inc., and others.

The Study

The study team looked at SARS-CoV-2 whole-genome sequences and viral loads during February 1, 2021, to June 30, 2021. In this study, the team found that of the total subjects, 125 (9.1%) represented vaccine breakthrough infections.

Of note, the fully vaccinated in this study were more prone to succumbing to breakthrough infections. That is, as described by the authors, “Fully vaccinated were more likely than unvaccinated persons to be infected by variants carrying mutations associated with decreased antibody neutralization (L L452R, L452Q, E484K, and/or F490S) (78% versus 48%, p = 1.96e-08), however, not those variants with greater infectivity such as L452R and N501Y) (85% versus 77%, p = 0.092).

In what is becoming a common finding, the difference between viral loads in vaccinated versus the unvaccinated is nil. The Northern California-based scientists did find that “Viral loads were significantly higher in symptomatic as compared to asymptomatic vaccine breakthrough cases (p < 0.0001), and symptomatic vaccine breakthrough infections had similar loads to unvaccinated infections (p=0.64).

Noteworthy, the team drilled into five cases associated with longitudinal data, including serologic analyses, vaccine breakthrough infections finding links with “low or undetectable neutralizing antibody levels attributable to an immunocompromised state or infection by an antibody-resistant lineage.” The takeaway: vaccine breakthrough cases are preferentially made possible by “circulating antibody-resistant SARS-CoV-2 variants, and those symptomatic breakthrough infections may potentially transmit COVID-19 as efficiently as unvaccinated infection” irrespective of variant.

Limitations

Several limitations must be considered. They include:

Possibility of sampling bias in the testing of patients (mitigated by reporting of variant distributions and viral load comparisons across two different test cohorts)

A relatively small number of breakthrough infections (125)—clinical and epidemiologic metadata only available in 39 cases

Retrospective medical chart review

Absence of contact tracing metadata—couldn’t assess transmission and secondary attack rates from those vaccinated persons to exposed contacts.

Lead Research/Investigator

Charles Y. Chiu, Department of Laboratory Medicine, University of California, San Francisco

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Yeah it wanes, similar figures that I see from swedish studies. But nobody knows what the meaning of this is in practice when it comes to protection from death and severe illness.

They do know. It is clear from this report and others. Did you read this report? It says right there in the title:

VE vs. hospitalization remains strong at >90%

Furthermore, data from Israel and elsewhere shows that a third booster restores the original level of protection.

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During a pandemic?

Dr. Francis Collins to step down as head of NIH

He is old. There are plenty of other people as qualified as he is.

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They do know. It is clear from this report and others. Did you read this report? It says right there in the title:

VE vs. hospitalization remains strong at >90%

Furthermore, data from Israel and elsewhere shows that a third booster restores the original level of protection.

Yes right now it's obvious as you say, but if you follow the trend, then the unknown will show up, do we have a continous decrease? or will there be a threshold?

At least this is stressing our experts and they start preparing for a third shot.

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This event is peak antivax hysteria and uninformed speculation, which TSN for whatever reason seems to want to publicise.

Video is still available, but only in German and maybe this is your problem of not beeing able to follow and comprehend....

These people are truly and honestly concerned about what is going on. They present visible evidence i.e. (stainless steel?) particles in vaccine ampules, obviously a manufacturing problem.

Having something like that in a soda drink and it will be immediatley banned from the shelf!

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TrialSite Op-ed author Geert Vanden Bossche

Geert Vanden Bossche is to COVID-19 vaccines as Andrew Wakefield is to MMR

Geert Vanden Bossche warns of global catastrophe due to mass COVID-19 vaccination. His argument sounds like Andrew Wakefield's for MMR.

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Geert Vanden Bossche is a scientist who published an open letter warning of global catastrophe due to deadly variants of COVID-19 selected for by mass vaccination. His argument sounds a lot like an argument Andrew Wakefield once made for MMR. There’s even grift likely involved!

I’ve frequently discussed how in the age of the pandemic, at least in terms of antivaccine misinformation and pseudoscience, everything old is new again. Over the last several months, I’ve listed a number of examples of this phenomenon of antivaxxers recycling hoary tropes to apply them to COVID-19 vaccines; for example, claims that vaccines kill, cause infertility, cancer, autoimmune disorders, and Alzheimer’s disease, and are loaded with “toxins,” among several others, such as the claim that they “alter your DNA.” One such claim that I hadn’t yet seen is a another favorite antivax claim, although admittedly it’s a rather niche claim in that you don’t hear it too often. Specifically, I’m referring to the abuse of evolutionary theory by antivaxxers to claim that vaccines select for more deadly variants of pathogenic viruses and bacteria, making mass vaccination programs dangerous or even potentially catastrophic. Such claims are generally an offshoot of another favorite antivaccine claim, namely that the diseases being vaccinated against are so innocuous that vaccinating against them is overkill and allowing infection and “natural herd immunity” to occur is better, a trope that has also been resurrected about COVID-19, a disease that’s killed well north of 500K people in just the US in a little over a year. This brings us to our topic, a misinformation-filled “open letter” by a scientist named Geert Vanden Bossche that went viral over the weekend. It’s been accompanied by a video interview posted to—where else?—antivaxxer Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.’s Children’s Health Defense website. Reading the letter, what it reminded me, more than anything else, is an article that Andrew Wakefield wrote about the MMR vaccine and measles, published a few months before the pandemic hit. (Truly, those were simpler times.)

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These people are truly and honestly concerned about what is going on. They present visible evidence i.e. (stainless steel?) particles in vaccine ampules, obviously a manufacturing problem.

Having something like that in a soda drink and it will be immediatley banned from the shelf!

There are contaminants regularly found in food and medicines. The batch gets recalled, not the whole product, unless it is some universal problem. And problems with new equipment get fixed. I'm not saying it is good, but when getting a new vaccine out a bit faster saves 1000s of lives, and your customers are telling you this, it is probably not the time to halt production for 12 months while working out a policy to ensure broken parts in a machine never again cause problems? I guess it is a matter of a sense of proportion, and I've never denied that antivaxers feel strongly. They must know, at some level, that vaccines are saving 100s of 1000s of lives, so they must be very very upset about something to be speaking against them in this way.

Moderna to recall COVID-19 doses in Japan after stainless steel contaminants found

Moderna Inc and Takeda Pharmaceutical Co Ltd (4502.T) on Wednesday said they are working with Japanese authorities to recall three batches of COVID-19 vaccine…

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But the antivax stuff was not that but the hysteria about thrombocytopenia, where everyone has been looking at and quantifying the risks (except this group of anti-vaxxers, who are talking them up without looking at the useful research done). The regulators look really carefully and cautiously at balance of risk when agreeing to vaccinations. The unvaccinated COVID risk remains very high (except for the 20% or so of people in the UK with strong prior infection antibody response). Anyway gibe it another 6 months - we are getting better treatment, slowly, as we understand the disease more. I thought the link FM1 posted about long COVID and clots, if correct, was a positive development.

Objective To assess the association between covid-19 vaccines and risk of thrombocytopenia and thromboembolic events in England among adults.

Design Self-controlled case series study using national data on covid-19 vaccination and hospital admissions.

Setting Patient level data were obtained for approximately 30 million people vaccinated in England between 1 December 2020 and 24 April 2021. Electronic health records were linked with death data from the Office for National Statistics, SARS-CoV-2 positive test data, and hospital admission data from the United Kingdom’s health service (NHS).

Participants 29 121 633 people were vaccinated with first doses (19 608 008 with Oxford-AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1 nCoV-19) and 9 513 625 with Pfizer-BioNTech (BNT162b2 mRNA)) and 1 758 095 people had a positive SARS-CoV-2 test. People aged ≥16 years who had first doses of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 or BNT162b2 mRNA vaccines and any outcome of interest were included in the study.

Main outcome measures The primary outcomes were hospital admission or death associated with thrombocytopenia, venous thromboembolism, and arterial thromboembolism within 28 days of three exposures: first dose of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccine; first dose of the BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine; and a SARS-CoV-2 positive test. Secondary outcomes were subsets of the primary outcomes: cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST), ischaemic stroke, myocardial infarction, and other rare arterial thrombotic events.

Results The study found increased risk of thrombocytopenia after ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccination (incidence rate ratio 1.33, 95% confidence interval 1.19 to 1.47 at 8-14 days) and after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test (5.27, 4.34 to 6.40 at 8-14 days); increased risk of venous thromboembolism after ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccination (1.10, 1.02 to 1.18 at 8-14 days) and after SARS-CoV-2 infection (13.86, 12.76 to 15.05 at 8-14 days); and increased risk of arterial thromboembolism after BNT162b2 mRNA vaccination (1.06, 1.01 to 1.10 at 15-21 days) and after SARS-CoV-2 infection (2.02, 1.82 to 2.24 at 15-21 days). Secondary analyses found increased risk of CVST after ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccination (4.01, 2.08 to 7.71 at 8-14 days), after BNT162b2 mRNA vaccination (3.58, 1.39 to 9.27 at 15-21 days), and after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test; increased risk of ischaemic stroke after BNT162b2 mRNA vaccination (1.12, 1.04 to 1.20 at 15-21 days) and after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test; and increased risk of other rare arterial thrombotic events after ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 vaccination (1.21, 1.02 to 1.43 at 8-14 days) and after a positive SARS-CoV-2 test.

Conclusion Increased risks of haematological and vascular events that led to hospital admission or death were observed for short time intervals after first doses of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 and BNT162b2 mRNA vaccines. The risks of most of these events were substantially higher and more prolonged after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after vaccination in the same population.

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I've been invited to make an appointment for a booster- booked on Thursday 8.30am. I will be there.

The only reason for delay is if you reckon things will be worse in 6 months time when the ooster (maybe) begins to wane! But then we will have better drugs, and maybe a better vaccine...

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I'd like you to do that so others can have more confidence figures you post will not always be wrong.

Your are an outraging silly person that never shows any calculation result based on real figures. I exactly did what you say is correct. So you cannot get away with talking FUD = nonsense.

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However your suggestion that 50% of people in the UK have caught Coronavirus is unwarranted,

This is from official UK data! You obviously don't like real data! On December 1st 2020 (pre vaxx date) UK had 1,6 mio CoV-19 cases and at least 9% (about 6.1 mio!!) people with antibodies. So we had about 3.8 hidden cases for one PCR+. Today we have > 7 cases and the hidden factor from gamma --> delta went up to at least 6.

End of week 8 we had about 38% antibodies but from vaccines (you have to take vaccination status of week 6 as it takes 2 weeks for the S-anti bodies to shine up) this is impossible (< 20% had a vaccine and blood donors are younger than 60 usually...vaxx rate < 10% ) . From the data it is clear that the cheating of the data started around week 8. + 30% antibodies cannot result from vaccines at week 8. Especially as the older with at least 20% show no anti bodies after the first vaccination round or much later than 2 weeks after jab 1.

You also see that the data (week 37) in the vaccine report is cheated as the N-rate goes down.

So the method used is a 100% fail as blood donors usually must answer the following question:: Have you been sick the last 3 months? So nobody with a CoV-19 infection will not be accepted as a blood donor for at least 3 months or even much longer.

Today in UK we have 8 mio CoV-19 cases multiplied by 6 or 60% in total cases.

I don't often talk about agendas - people seem to think I have one. I reckon you deal with content not motives.

But in this case Geert Vanden Bossche makes me break this rule.

Geert is the TSN op-ed editor - we can now see where a lot of there sentiment comes from. And its not pretty.

How Geert Vanden Bossche is Destroying American Herd Immunity - Medika Life

Geert Vanden Bossche presents a real and present danger to America's covid vaccination program. Data shows the growing reach and influence he

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We have a pretty good idea where the other traffic is coming from though, having run a few backlink checks on his domain. Almost every single anti-vaxx website, alternate health website, covid conspiracy website, and even radical, Republican funded qanon styled sites have adopted Vanden Bossche, propelling him overnight to international digital stardom and enabling (which is their actual goal) the dissemination of his divisive articles and videos to a large audience. They believe they’re using Vanden Bossche to further their own agendas.

I suspect exactly the opposite is true. I think, and I’m not alone in this assumption, that Vanden Bossche has an ulterior motive and its financial. As we’ve already stated, he is intelligent and driven, but not by an altruistic desire to save his fellow man from the impending vaccine catastrophe he has prophesized.

Rather, it is to sell the world an alternative vaccine, designed and developed by none other than Vanden Bossche himself.

If you think this is a ridiculous proposition, we suggest your read up on the disgraced Andrew Wakefield, the king of the vaccine con and arguably the founder of the anti-vaxx movement. Ironic that both mens’ attempts to enrich themselves have led to a slavelike following of individuals apparently devoid of independent thought. In fact, Wakefield may very well have provided a blueprint for Vanden Bossche’s scam, the two appear similar.

The Fool-Proof Con

Vanden Bossche has created the ultimate medical con, one that is sufficiently complex to prevent his victims (the general public) from understanding it and they are therefore dependant on accepting his individual and professional credentials which on the surface appear beyond reproach. Vanden Bossche maintains an air of absolute conviction and professional dependability throughout, selling himself and by association, his ideas.

It would have been possible for him to explain his concept in far simpler terms, but it’s noticeable that these simpler phrases are retained for the shock statements, the warnings, and the “dire consequences”. The paper he created was never intended for professional dissemination and would have been ripped to pieces by his colleagues. It was designed entirely for you, dear reader. for the general public, to flummox and confuse, and judging by the interest he has generated, it’s been a spectacular success.

When it comes to this kind of work, never trust the man, trust the science. And science has proven him to be an incontrovertible fake.

Time is fleeting

And Vanden Bossche has a limited supply of it. In another six -12 months, the glaring flaws in his arguments are going to become apparent as the world does not succumb to his predicted supervirus. Also, his new conspiracy fans are a fickle mob, driven by whatever is trending on social media. In two months’ time, he’s going to be old news and it may very well be this aspect that has prompted America to do almost nothing to counteract his wild claims.

The statistics shown above indicate just how mistaken the American approach to Vanden Bossch has been. Since early April and probably well into June, he will continue to spread disinformation and distrust in the vaccines at an unprecedented rate, encouraging millions to reconsider getting vaccinated and contributing to the American failure to reach herd level immunization. Of course, Vanden Bossche can’t be credited with single-handedly contributing to America’s vaccine hesitancy.

There has been a continuous and sustained attack on vaccines almost since the idea for rapid vaccine development was first floated in early 2020. What we do know is that Vanden Bossche offer s a unique opportunity to study this model of medical quackery that is driven by greed and personal enrichment. His website and strategy show just how vulnerable international medical strategies can be to a concerted and well-supported propaganda attack.

America is about to discover just how much money they are going to have to fork out to try and undo the impact of one, Geert Vanden Bossche. Money that could have spent on healthcare, saving lives. Ensuring a mother from a disadvantaged community received enough pre-delivery care to save her and her child. Somehow, I doubt Vanden Bossche has trouble falling asleep at night. He just doesn’t seem the type.

Whoever is tasking with holding these quacks and con-artists accountable in a post-pandemic society (people will demand it), may not view him as kindly. He has blood on his hands and his words and advice continue to claim lives.