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  • Studies confirm waning immunity from Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine


    Studies confirm waning immunity from Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine
    Two real-world studies published Wednesday confirm that the immune protection offered by two doses of Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine drops off after two months or…
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    (CNN)Two real-world studies published Wednesday confirm that the immune protection offered by two doses of Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine drops off after two months or so, although protection against severe disease, hospitalization and death remains strong.


    The studies, from Israel and from Qatar and published in the New England Journal of Medicine, support arguments that even fully vaccinated people need to maintain precautions against infection.


    One study from Israel covered 4,800 health care workers and showed antibody levels wane rapidly after two doses of vaccine "especially among men, among persons 65 years of age or older, and among persons with immunosuppression."

    We conducted this prospective longitudinal cohort study involving health care workers at Sheba Medical Center, a large tertiary medical center in Israel," Sheba's Dr. Gili Regev-Yochay and colleagues wrote.


    The researchers noted that levels of so-called neutralizing antibodies -- the immune system's first line of defense against infection -- correlate with protection against infection, but for this study they studied only antibody levels.


    "Published work about many vaccines, such as those against measles, mumps, and rubella, has shown a small decrease each year of 5 to 10% in the neutralizing antibody levels," they wrote. "We found that a significant and rapid decrease in humoral response to the BNT162b2 vaccine was observed within months after vaccination."


    The study also indicated that immunity for people who get vaccinated after natural Covid-19 infection lasts longer. It's especially strong for people who recovered from infection and then got vaccinated, also. "Overall, the accumulating evidence from our study and others shows that long-term humoral response and vaccine effectiveness in previously infected persons were superior to that in recipients of two doses of vaccine," they wrote.

    A second study from Qatar looked at actual infections among the highly vaccinated population of that small Gulf nation. People there mostly got Pfizer/BioNTech's vaccine, also known as BNT162b2.


    "BNT162b2-induced protection against infection builds rapidly after the first dose, peaks in the first month after the second dose, and then gradually wanes in subsequent months," Laith Abu-Raddad of Weill Cornell Medicine-Qatar and colleagues wrote. "The waning appears to accelerate after the fourth month, to reach a low level of approximately 20% in subsequent months," they added.


    Nonetheless, protection against hospitalization and death stayed at above 90%, they said.


    The waning protection may involve behavior, they noted. "Vaccinated persons presumably have a higher rate of social contact than unvaccinated persons and may also have lower adherence to safety measures," they wrote. "This behavior could reduce real-world effectiveness of the vaccine as compared with its biologic effectiveness, possibly explaining the waning of protection."


    But it's a signal that countries should prepare for fresh surges of Covid-19. "These findings suggest that a large proportion of the vaccinated population could lose its protection against infection in the coming months, perhaps increasing the potential for new epidemic waves," they wrote.


    Pfizer has been arguing that immunity from the first two doses of its vaccine begins to wear off after a few months. Last month, Pfizer won authorization from the US Food and Drug Administration for booster doses of its vaccine for some six months after people finish their first two doses.


    The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended that people older than 65, people with conditions making them more susceptible to getting seriously ill with breakthrough infections, and people at high risk of infection such as health care workers and prison inmates get boosters.


    Israel has been boosting its entire population and now says it will require people to have had a third shot to be considered fully vaccinated.


    In the United States, more than 6 million people have received a third dose of vaccine and average the pace of booster shots is higher than the rate of people getting vaccinated for the first time, according to CDC data.

  • Yes this is on the news all over the place here. We now have the information from the myocarditis cases he posted on the blog, and informing the authorites, I guess that they have checked the data now and concluded that there is enough cases to take action. Maybe that blogger was responsible for the actions we see now. Good on them.

  • One study from Israel covered 4,800 health care workers and showed antibody levels wane rapidly after two doses of vaccine "especially among men, among persons 65 years of age or older, and among persons with immunosuppression."

    Wasn't this the group that needs most protection and is now allowed to treat? (BBC promotion...)

    Nonetheless, protection against hospitalization and death stayed at above 90%, they said.

    What a crap. See Switzerland above! OR > 300 booster deaths in Israel...

  • Maybe that blogger was responsible for the actions we see now. Good on them.

    Typical vaxx terror fascist answer from Moderna::


    A Moderna spokesperson said in an email the company was aware of the decisions by regulators in Denmark and Sweden to pause the use of its vaccine in younger individuals because of the rare risk of myocarditis and or pericarditis.

    "These are typically mild cases and individuals tend to recover within a short time following standard treatment and rest. The risk of myocarditis is substantially increased for those who contract COVID-19, (ADDED: and get no treatment with Ivermectin) and vaccination is the best way to protect against this."

  • Yeah, but when you weight one small probabillity to another you must understand that there are unknowns that can ruin your risk assessment. This is e.g. long time effects from the vaccine, contaminations etc etc. To compare, consider all probabillity calculations in the nuclear industry, that calculation was also considering small probabilities, but did not account for bugs in the design, bugs in management, bugs in weather assumptions and so on and so on. It is extreamly tough to get that right. Myself thinks that it is ok to take the jab even if young, others don't and I can't for the life of my call the other side anti vaccer or wrong, sure the other side should accept my choice as well. And yes we may put gazonline on that fire, but I just hate to hide facts for the public due to this, better be open else I think that will bite you in the end.

  • but did not account for bugs in the design, bugs in management, bugs in weather assumptions and so on and so on.

    Just one bug for nuclear power plants: The foundation, steel support etc has been designed for 0.25g vertical acceleration. So basically Fukushima crashed already from the quake. The tsunami just fully stopped any possible cooling that was totally broken before too.

    So such nuclear power plants should never have been placed in regions with 5+ quakes e.g. Japan. The new adjusted factor is 2g for vertical accelerations. 8x more.... Just a bit....

    As we know from physics. Only experiments will tell the truth. Now we have > 3 billion experiments running with a rebranded cancer therapy for producing fake immunity (Pfizer crap) ...

    For me there are to many open questions. The answers will need 10 years. In the mean time I will stay with Ivermectin and as a backup up I have Sutherlandia or "black kummel".


    Only fools die from CoV-19 or the related cancer gene therapies.

  • Interesting report contradicting fake propaganda (vaccination causes erectile dysfunction)...

    COVID-19 may impair men’s sexual performance

    Men may be six times more likely to develop brief or long-term erectile dysfunction after contracting the virus. The vaccine can prevent this.


    COVID-19 may impair men’s sexual performance
    Men may be six times more likely to develop brief or long-term erectile dysfunction after contracting the virus. The vaccine can prevent this.
    www.nationalgeographic.com


    If this becomes generally known, there will be a rush to vaccinate.



    Along similar lines, I read that insurance companies announced they will no longer waive the deductible for unvaccinated COVID patients. This caused people in wealthy districts to rush to be vaccinated, and to have their children vaccinated. That is because wealthy people pay for their own insurance (or their company pays) and they have to pay deductibles. Poor people often have no health insurance. Normally, they would be charged the full amount for treatment, which they can seldom pay, so they end up bankrupt. Obamacare has reduced such bankruptcies, but it has not eliminated them.


    Long before COVID, two poor people in Atlanta I know ended up with bills of $90,000 or more for a week of treatment. There is no way they could pay this. The hospitals hired collection agencies who came and took their cars and tried to take everything else not nailed down. Those collection agencies are savage. They will throw you out onto the street. The hospitals do not give a damn how many lives they ruin. Their goal is to take as much money from the patients as they can. Some people say that "you can always get treatment at an emergency room in the U.S." That is true. They cannot turn you away. What they can do -- and will do -- is take away all of your money and leave you a homeless pauper. That is why injured, bleeding people in the U.S. sometimes plead with people trying to help them or the police: "Please don't call an ambulance! I can't afford it!" They know they will be charged thousands of dollars just for the ambulance, never mind treatment. They will go home and suture themselves rather than face economic ruin and homelessness. U.S. healthcare is barbaric.

  • Yeah, but when you weight one small probabillity to another you must understand that there are unknowns that can ruin your risk assessment. This is e.g. long time effects from the vaccine, contaminations etc etc.

    There are no such long time effects. All trace of the vaccine and the proteins it generates vanish within a week or two. There are no known long term effects from any vaccine after a few months. People have been using vaccines for over 200 years, so if there were such effects, we would see them. Most side effects occur within hours. Furthermore, these mRNA types of vaccines have been tested for 20 years, and they were tested on more than 50,000 people in 2020. No long term effects were observed, except for immunity from COVID.

  • There seem to some major issues with this type of vaccine and the authorities close their eyes and are not taking their responsibility as they should.

    On the contrary, the authorities have their eyes wide open. They reported 2 cases of contamination in Japan in the mass media world wide. That is what they are supposed to do. You say this is a "common" problem but I do not think 2 out of 170,282,260 can be described as "common." I would say that is exceedingly rare. You have a strange notion of what is common and what is rare.

  • We took the jab on a leap of faith with the understanding that no infection, no transmitting no hospital and no death,

    If that is what you thought, you are an ignorant fool. Anyone reading the news or anyone familiar with vaccines knows they are not perfect. They can never guarantee "no infection, no transmitting . . ." They only reduce the likelihood of these things. There are always people with weak immune systems, or people who happen to be exposed to very large loads of virus who get sick with breakthrough cases.


    This is common knowledge. I am astounded that you do not know this, given all these reports you have posted here. Perhaps you do know this and you are trying to bullshit the readers here by pretending you took a "leap of faith."

  • There are no such long time effects. All trace of the vaccine and the proteins it generates vanish within a week or two. There are no known long term effects from any vaccine after a few months. People have been using vaccines for over 200 years, so if there were such effects, we would see them. Most side effects occur within hours. Furthermore, these mRNA types of vaccines have been tested for 20 years, and they were tested on more than 50,000 people in 2020. No long term effects were observed, except for immunity from COVID.

    yeah on the probability 1/100 I would agree but when we discuss 1/10 000 or smaller things are really are difficult. I remembered that the Nuclear experts here in Sweden was claiming just what you are saying now, that the design of Swedish nuclear was waterproof with a million years between accidents. Turned out that a bug in the design almost started a serious nuclear accident here due to a bug in the design which never was accounted for. Yes if the medic was exactly the same as the medics before, then yes we would be able to get a number on the probability of long time effects but currently I would like to read a serious attempt to quantify this before I agree with you. But on the other hand I don't care much about this because we have unknowns on the other side as well, like will the virus mutate and start kill the young ones, My gut feeling is that higher than 1/100 from the current rate of mutation we see.

  • yeah on the probability 1/100 I would agree but when we discuss 1/10 000 or smaller things are really are difficult.

    Nope. After 200 years of experience, we know how vaccines work. It is not possible they will cause problems years from now. Furthermore, it is dead certain the COVID causes long term problems, such as death. You are worried about something that cannot happen while you ignore thousands of deaths and tens of thousands of long term injuries per day. This is not rational.


    I remembered that the Nuclear experts here in Sweden was claiming just what you are saying now, that the design of Swedish nuclear was waterproof with a million years between accidents.

    Oh come now. Nuclear reactors are nothing like vaccines. You cannot begin to compare them.

  • Nope. After 200 years of experience, we know how vaccines work.

    You simply talk nonsense. RNA cancer gene therapy is not a vaccine. Based on a different effect than ordinary vaccines use, the bodies is forced to produce anti-bodies of a very limited pattern range.

    All serious studies show that the Pfizer cancer gene therapy produces a crap immune memory that gets even crappier after a booster.

    Moderna uses two different RNA. This leads to a small cross pattern stimulation among B-cells what makes Moderna 3-5x more powerful than Pfizer.

    Studies also show that the protection only comes from the original antibodies and the production of new ones does not really work. What also shows that this is not a vaccine!

    Nobody can tell you whether free floating spike RNA will damage your body or how much it did damage it. Death statistics will show this for sure within the next 10 years.

    I'm 100% sure that the outcome on live length for all CoV-19 RNA vaccines overall will be negative and at least some ten more years of research are needed to develop an alternative to classic vaccines.


    Did you also notice that "fake vaccinated" in the mean time get more often CoV-19 than unvaccinated??

  • I am a concerend citizen and a father of two children!! There seem to some major issues with this type of vaccine and the authorities close their eyes and are not taking their responsibility as they should.

    There only seem to be major issues because you are influenced by antivax propaganda. Or, your definition of vaccine issues is inflated relative to virus issues. Do you have evidence the authorities do that? Is this not taking responsibility?

    EU looking into new possible side-effects of mRNA COVID-19 shots
    Three new conditions reported by a small number of people after vaccination with COVID-19 shots from Pfizer (PFE.N) and Moderna (MRNA.O) are being studied to…
    www.reuters.com

    or this?

    https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update-comirnaty-6-october-2021_en.pdf

    or this

    Sweden and Denmark partially suspend Moderna's Covid-19 vaccine
    Young people who have received one Moderna shot will be given a different vaccine for second dose
    www.thenationalnews.com

    Being a concerned citizen is exactly what now defines anti Vaxer. No questions no concern or you are an anti Vaxer. The true stupidity of members here here yelling anti Vaxer is that most of us have been vaccinated. We took the jab on a leap of faith with the understanding that no infection, no transmitting no hospital and no death, right jed, you claimed that many many times and none is true, but we show concern and jed and Thomas call us anti vaxers .

    I think that is what many complain about. Antivaxxers, many of them, get vaccinated and then spend their time trying to persuade gullible other people not to get vaccinated. Believe me, those antivax videos and conferences get reported and find their way into social media stories that stop vulnerable people from getting vaccinated. i'm sure you do not intend that. get real, it happens, which is why most people are careful about speculation and most definitely careful about not spreading lies.


    Now I can see, FM1, that you feel whether the vaccine is good enough to prevent delta spread is a big deal. Not sure about US, but the regulators, and in the Uk, we all took the vaccine because we personally don't want to get ill. A benefit is we are less likely to transmit it to others. All that is true. No-one said they knew how long the vaccine would last - 6 months is a good deal in that context, and it looks like some protection lasts at least 12 months.


    If you had covid before then the benefits are smaller for you personally, but they remain real. and teh downside, possible side effects, are much lower probability than the increased covid nasties downside of not being vaccinated.


    The authorities believe that. Maybe you don't and you believe antivaxxer propaganda about how the vaccines are bad. That is your choice. Don't blame others for it, or assume most scientists will have views that align with the outliers.


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    Good point made in this video about how mainstream scientists think about nothing but the possible emergence of new variants, and how when dissenting just one person scientific views were given at conferences, as used to be, they were useful. They make everyone else thing, challenge assumptions. But they are usually wrong. The problem with the internet is that those outlying probably wrong views are given equal platform with the what most people think more usual views. The people listening are not scientists at a specialist conference, and have no way to put things into perspective.


    And back to preventing delta spread. In the Uk it is preventing a massive increase in infection which would overwhelm our hospitals. it is not giving us true herd immunity - because we have a lot of the younger population not vaccinated, and because delta is very high transmission, and because the vaccine is not perfect (all three).


    Personally I am worried about high infection rates leading to new variants. That would happen with or without vaccine: escape variants emerge (like delta) because they outcompete the original when an epidemic is past its natural peak and most people have immunity. The vaccine is not well adapted to delta so is actually not much giving preference to new escape variants - which is good. i'd rather we had a vaccine that could shut down infection completely - but that seems unlikely. Anyway, you need the whole world shutting covid down completely to prevent new variants. It ain't gonna happen.

  • Nope. After 200 years of experience, we know how vaccines work. It is not possible they will cause problems years from now. Furthermore, it is dead certain the COVID causes long term problems, such as death. You are worried about something that cannot happen while you ignore thousands of deaths and tens of thousands of long term injuries per day. This is not rational.


    Oh come now. Nuclear reactors are nothing like vaccines. You cannot begin to compare them.

    Actually yes, we have much more control and understanding of a nuclear facility than a vaccine and the cell biology, I think you have an overly rosy understanding of this and that makes me suspicious - actually when people are very certain of things I start to be suspicious. Anyhow this is an interesting read, The craziness around vaccines .

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  • Actually yes, we have much more control and understanding of a nuclear facility than a vaccine and the cell biology, I think you have an overly rosy understanding of this and that makes me suspicious - actually when people are very certain of things I start to be suspicious.

    Just a remark. I agree with you there is lots we don't understand aout the vaccines and the immune system. But,, that applies equally to how people react to the (generally more severe) COVID disease.


    I think sensible people are aware of the uncertainties, they just see more worrying uncertainty from covid infection, long covid, etc than from the vaccine.


  • Just a remark. I agree with you there is lots we don't understand aout the vaccines and the immune system. But,, that applies equally to how people react to the (generally more severe) COVID disease.


    I think sensible people are aware of the uncertainties, they just see more worrying uncertainty from covid infection, long covid, etc than from the vaccine.

    Well it goes both ways and nobody nows I think that on this both sides are both sensible and both can be right, just that now we are talking, I believe about probabilities below 1/100, as I said, a new lethal variant that kills kids like it kills 70 year olds is very frightening and much higher risk in my assessment (my stomache) than long term effects of covid or the vaccine. Also I tried to find good discussions (both sides) of the work by not a crackpot but he seam to be ignored, looks like it is true that this guy is hated by both vaccers and anti vaccers. And men in powers.

  • Well it goes both ways and nobody nows I think that on this both sides are both sensible and both can be right, just that now we are talking, I believe about probabilities below 1/100, as I said, a new lethal variant that kills kids like it kills 70 year olds is very frightening and much higher risk in my assessment (my stomache) than long term effects of covid or the vaccine. Also I tried to find good discussions (both sides) of the work by not a crackpot but he seam to be ignored, looks like it is true that this guy is hated by both vaccers and anti vaccers. And men in powers.

    We all have our gut feelings.


    personally, I was very worried that we would get a new variant every 6 months.


    I no longer think that, alpha spread faster than original. Delta spreads much faster than alpha. There is a decent chance that delta is difficult to beat. I'm sure we will get a new variant, but probably not a lot better than delta, and not completely evading immunity either vaccine or natural.


    Of course, the doomsday scenario of a much worse covid variant can't be ruled out. But if our children have been infected or vaccinated they will have a lot of protection. As it stands, one or other happens pretty quickly.


    THH

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