Food banks are overwhelmed. People are sitting in cars, waiting for hours, and getting nothing:

‘Never Seen Anything Like It’: Cars Line Up for Miles at Food Banks

Millions are flooding a charitable system that was never intended to handle a nationwide crisis.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0…ronavirus-food-banks.html

This is another example of our political leaders taking a bad situation and making it catastrophic. Because they are blithering idiots. In a country where most people do not have $400 extra for an emergency, you can't tell people to stay home and shelter in place without providing them with food.

If we are going to have a society where the top 1% elite takes much of the income and nearly all the wealth, and most people don't even have $400 to spare, that 1% better be ready to feed the rest of society in a disaster. Either that, or the elite should be prepared to lose everything to social disruption or inflation. You can't have it both ways.

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As applied to COVID on a national level, it means taking advantage of the turmoil to expand government well beyond what our founding founders envisioned.

Frankly, I could not care less what the founding fathers envisioned. They did not live in a world with the internet, AI robots taking jobs, international pandemics, $72,000 hospital stays for one week, or 1% of society taking nearly all the wealth with the help of technology and upside-down tax laws. We must make our society and our economy to fit our present circumstances. Not some ideal of how society was 200 years ago. If government must grow now, let it grow! It can shrink later on. Medical technology will mature, and hospital stays will get cheaper. We will find ways to ensure a basic income. We can solve any problem. But we cannot live in the past, or use methods of government that worked in a world without electricity.

You will note also that the Founding Fathers plans went badly wrong from 1862 to 1865, resulting in the deaths of 625,000 people, the equivalent of 6 million today. That was a flawed system, to say the least. It was not something we want to return to. It was a nightmare envisioned.

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As applied to this forum, it is not the place to sort out the age old debate on the merits of socialism vs capitalism. Which is kinder and gentler, and which is best overall for it's citizens.

The answer seems obvious to me. At present --

A judicious mixture of the best of socialism and capitalism works best. The two are at odds to some extent, but not completely at odds. In countries such as Sweden they have a better balance, and a higher standard of living.

In the future --

Human labor will be worthless, and both capitalism and socialism will cease to exist. Both are economic systems predicated on people trading labor for money. Most people have no source of wealth other than their own labor. When human labor is worth a few pennies per day, no one will buy it or have any use for it. Hiring someone to work in competition with an intelligent robot will be like hiring someone today to add up numbers, when your computer can add more numbers in a second than a person can add up in a lifetime.

We have to remake the world to fit this upcoming technology. We can, I am sure. If people are clever enough to invent AI robots, we can also invent a way to live with them to everyone's benefit. We have remade the world countless times since people first grasped tools and began to shape the world. We will do that again in the future, many, many times. It is nothing to fear.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/0…afe-from-coronavirus.html

It might not be until fall 2021 that Americans “can be completely safe” from COVID-19, Bill Gates said in a Tuesday interview with Judy Woodruff on PBS Newshour.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_drug_development

COVID-19 drug development

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Sorry if this has been posted before, this thread is flying with comments and is hard to keep up.

I think this article, which analyses new data on antibody titles and the lack of them in inmunity inducing amounts, in a very significant fraction of Covid-19 sufferers after recovering, is alarming.

https://www.scmp.com/news/chin…els-raise-questions-about

I'd like to repeat that antibody titre amount does not necessarily correlate so immaculately to true, functional immunity. We have our cell mediated immunity (like killer cells) and our antibody immunity. These two systems can operate at the expense of the other. It's complicated and varies with the particular pathogen or vaccine. So for instance, in the article you linked, it's the younger people who have the much lower antibody titres after being exposed to the virus. But I bet their cellular immunity is great, and I suspect that for covid19, having a robust cellular immune response is preferred over a high antibody titre, if one had to choose. Older adults making all that antibody are, imo ,compensating for a lack in the preferred cellular immunity response. It will be interesting to see how common reinfection is, and whether it afflicts the older population more.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyl…-foods-way-134900741.html

7 High-Zinc Foods That Are Way Better Than a Supplement

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Well, COVID symptoms are not distinguishable easily from other respiratory illnesses, as you know.

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In that case we have a ZFR (Zelenko fatality rate) of 1.3%, or 10/700. BUT that assumes a normal demographic (median age 30 - 40).

You can relate it to the Swiss figures ( or Norway) as Switzerland is a genetically very mixed nation. at bit more than 1/9 of people with symptoms test positive what would give about 80 cases in Zelenkos case. But it is important to treat people the first 5 days after that you are a severe case. Thus Zelenkos is just one picture that shows how early medication works.

And also remind that 5% of the tested positive cases (according Swiss figures) either die > 50% or need ventilation. Thus 4 of of 80 would have become severe case with 2-3 dead.

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You can relate it to the Swiss figures ( or Norway) as Switzerland is a genetically very mixed nation. at bit more than 1/9 of people with symptoms test positive what would give about 80 cases in Zelenkos case. But it is important to treat people the first 5 days after that you are a severe case. Thus Zelenkos is just one picture that shows how early medication works.

And also remind that 5% of the tested positive cases (according Swiss figures) either die > 50% or need ventilation. Thus 4 of of 80 would have become severe case with 2-3 dead.

I cannot relate Zelenko's figures to anything unless you have figures for a very young population - median age 15? That information shows why he has such low hospitalisation rate: independently of any treatment.

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I cannot relate Zelenko's figures to anything unless you have figures for a very young population - median age 15? That information shows why he has such low hospitalisation rate: independently of any treatment.

Could you clarify : Are you saying that the people Zelenko has treated have a median age of 15?

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cannot relate Zelenko's figures to anything unless you have figures for a very young population - median age 15?

We have the figures for median 15. But how did you guess the median age 15 ???

In the update he is now at 900 patients and Raoult at 1000!!

The question is always how many will go to ICU as Boris and even worse go to ventilators. About 5% of ICU cases is in the class of 18..65. thats the upper half of your guessed median.

Cramer Confused about Stock Market.

https://apple.news/AtdlpASvCQJyL8tlz2wX-Qw

Cramer more optimistic today.

He must like the magic trick of

money appearing out of thin air.

https://apple.news/AHQ-lSNq3QI2KPpxoDNxZBw

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We have the figures for median 15. But how did you guess the median age 15 ???

In the update he is now at 900 patients and Raoult at 1000!!

The question is always how many will go to ICU as Boris and even worse go to ventilators. About 5% of ICU cases is in the class of 18..65. thats the upper half of your guessed median.

https://www.theyeshivaworld.co…ychloroquine#post-1847970

Two more 30 yr old nurses dead today from COVID-19 forced to use bin liners as protection. 938 more new deaths in hospitals, countless others in nursing homes. I wonder what all their orphaned children will think of the doctors in the future still refusing to treat patients with HCQ or using it to protect NHS nursing staff? Would they calmly say well there was no evidence for it working was there. After all the evidence we have put forward here, to the BBC to the NHS, to Cuomo, to Trump, to Ferguson?

Here something else and not arm chair guessed...

Small town of Genglet - strongly affected - Germany https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichte…studie-heinsberg-100.html

About 15% of all inhabitants infected. Mortality .37%.

Hope more will follow: How many did really feel symptoms etc.. The set ( about 1000) is still small and hopefully will be extended soon.

A new preprint that may be of interest --

The IMPDH inhibitor merimepodib suppresses SARS-CoV-2 replication in vitro

https://www.biorxiv.org/conten…0.04.07.028589v1.full.pdf

Some flavonoids also inhibit IMPDH --

Inhibitory Effect of Curcumin on IMP Dehydrogenase, the Target for

Anticancer and Antiviral Chemotherapy Agents

https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/bbb/74/1/74_90568/_pdf

Myricetin is a novel inhibitor of human inosine 5′-monophosphate dehydrogenase with anti-leukemia activity

https://www.sciencedirect.com/…abs/pii/S0006291X16311123