Wyttenbach, I havent researched this aspect of the disease (vascular) but it seems novel....does it not? Are there any papers you recommend to understand mechanisms?
https://www.thelancet.com/jour…-6736(20)30937-5/fulltext
Published in April by a group from the University of Zurich. Already a classic cited >600 times.
https://www.thelancet.com/jour…-6736(20)30937-5/fulltext
Published in April by a group from the University of Zurich. Already a classic cited >600 times.
JulianBianchi : Thanks for helping out!
The endothelial collapse seems to be one reason vessels get narrower and finally fail to transport blood. It's not just simple clothing only!
This is one reason why people should take Ivermectin early. It is the only currently known safe drug that stops the virus replication inside the cell. Anti bodies, vaccines won't help as CoV-19 owns the nasty Lab-added AIDS inheritance that allows its inter cellular propagation without the need of using a blood vessel for propagation.
Even with a vaccine - in the worst case you could finally reach a chronic state.
It is thus easy to predict that there is a latent danger of a much deeper impact of the current CoV-19 epidemic!
Nevertheless I'm optimistic as we live with such retro virus behavior (e.g. Herpes) since man occurred on this planet.
I'm not an expert, but I do understand the Moderna's vaccine approach and (others) is a novel approach that is unproven.
Perhaps that is so, but it cannot change your DNA. That is what you claimed before.
vehemently disagree.
You have absolutely ZERO idea how many people are infected, ZERO.
So obviously, it is possible.
That is incorrect. The data from Japan, Korea and China is reliable. From that, we can make an accurate estimate of how many people are infected.
The thing is: science works. Experts know what they are doing. You vehemently disagree, but you are not an expert and you know nothing about the studies in Asia, so your opinion does not count.
Here is more from Paulding county where the board of education appears to be trying to kill people:
https://www.ajc.com/education/…TUNBDA2NDF7I2RHFLXR2MR4M/
A student suspended this week after posting a now-viral photo of a packed hallway at her school had her punishment lifted Friday, and so did another student.
The Paulding County School District made the announcement Friday afternoon, acknowledging the “significant national interest” in what it called “the issue” at North Paulding High School. . . .
In a school board meeting in May, board chairman Jeff Fuller decried Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidance calling for social distancing in classrooms and on school buses as “complete crap.” Instead, Fuller advocated for an “absolute normal return to normal activities” when schools opened.
“I want us as the school district of Paulding County to lead the way in an absolute normal return,” Fuller said, according to a recording of the meeting on the district’s YouTube channel. . . .
Deep rural farm communities with low population densities , for example, are entirely different from big metropolitan cities with subways, elevators and handrails.... etc.
Yes. There is a tremendous difference in the infection rate, both absolute and per capita, between urban and rural prefectures in Japan. See the data here for the Kanto, Kansai versus the Chugoku areas (and the prefectures within them):
https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h00657/
Shimane prefecture, rural, pop. 700,000, 29 cases total
Osaka, urban, pop. 2.7 million (3.8 times larger), 5,396 cases total. 49 times more cases per capita.
Hmm 200 excess deaths from normal rate of desths from hcq in Usa due to HCQ and mayby 1 milion extra prescriptions. scale by 300 and you get 60000 deaths. Not perfect math but an indication to the problems of preventive large scale useage. At least the statistics explain why one need to be careful.
That is incorrect. The data from Japan, Korea and China is reliable.
With statements like this Jed even the skeptics are going to stop reading your post if they drop in..
but I understand you all have a job to do.
The data from Japan, Korea and ..Taiwan is reliable.?
[That is incorrect. The data from Japan, Korea and China is reliable.]
With statements like this Jed even the skeptics are going to stop reading your post if they drop in..
If the people you refer to do not realize that data from Japan, Korea and China is reliable, they are not skeptics. They are ignorant. They might even be biased against Asian countries. Anyway, I welcome them to drop out.
Ivermectin protocol for Covid Tx..IDEA.
Buenos Aires Hospital Dr Carvallo.
https://www.sap.org.ar/uploads…etropol-78_1596822368.pdf page 22
CONCLUSIONES
Nuestra propuesta terapéutica, IDEA, se basa en:
la falta de evidencia sustentable en los otros tratamientos experimentales hasta ahora propuestos;
el hecho que todos los fármacos incluidos se hallan en la Farmacopea Argentina,
aprobados por el ANMAT y el Ministerio de Salud de la Nación; su bajo costo en relación con los otros ensayos;
la menor incidencia de efectos secundarios o indeseables;
y la posibilidad de uso masivo, sin las limitantes de los fármacos en ensayo.
With statements like this Jed even the skeptics are going to stop reading your post if they drop in..
but I understand you all have a job to do.
DNG,
As expected, Jed, like every other
“Group Think Blue” adherent, believes that shouting down all other opposing views and then telling them their views “don’t count”
somehow proves his point, after all, that’s what he’s been told to do, and he obeys.
They will find a brave new world out here if they're strong enough to unplug themselves from the Matrix, turn off CNN and learn to think for themselves.
Unfortunately, our resident political automaton has miles to go before he sleeps.
“Group Think Blue” adherent, believes that shouting down all other opposing views and then telling them their views “don’t count”
I am not shouting. But I do say that when you spout off about technical subjects you know nothing about, your views don't count. As Isaac Asimov put it:
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
If the people you refer to do not realize that data from Japan, Korea and China is reliable, they are not skeptics. They are ignorant. They might even be biased against Asian countries. Anyway, I welcome them to drop out.
When my children believe people that spin a story that will endanger them an not listening to my advice, what comes next is on you all.
Asimov
"people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do."
The world response to Covid is better than in the Spanish Flu.
in most places...
"
the disease generated fear independent of anything officials did or did not do,
but the false reassurances given by the authorities and the media systematically destroyed trust.
That magnified the fear and turned it into panic and terror.
"
This horrific disconnect between reassurances and reality destroyed the
credibility of those in authority.
People felt they had no one to turn to, no one to rely on, no one to trust.
Ultimately society depends on trust. Without it, society began to come apart.
Normally in 1918 America, when someone was ill, neighbors helped.
That did not happen during the pandemic. Typically, the head of one city’s
volunteer effort, frustrated after repeated pleas for help yielded nothing,
turned bitter and contemptuous:
Hundreds of women who are content to sit back had delightful dreams of
themselves in the roles of angels of mercy, had the unfathomable vanity to
imagine that they were capable of great sacrifice.
Nothing seems to rouse them now. They have been told that there are families
in which every member is ill, in which the children are actually starving
because there is no one to give them food.
The death rate is so high and they still hold back.
That attitude persisted outside of cities as well. In rural Kentucky, the
Red Cross reported “people starving to death not from lack of food but
because the well were panic stricken and would not go near the sick”
When my children believe people that spin a story that will endanger them an not listening to my advice, what comes next is on you all.
So, you are saying that public health officials in Japan, Korea and China are "spinning a story." We can't believe them. You should explain why they have the pandemic under control. You cannot control it without good data, and you have to make the data public, so people know what to do. Do you imagine they do not really have the pandemic under control, and the entire population of all three countries is going alone with their deception? Do you think people in Japan and Korea don't realize that thousands of their friends and family are sick and dying?
China is a totalitarian dictatorship and the government can suppress the facts. They did so at first, but as far as anyone can tell they are now telling the truth. Japan and Korea are open, democratic societies. The government cannot cover up the facts. Not much anyway. The state government here in Georgia does a better job of stonewalling the media and lying about the facts than the Japanese government, but even so, everyone here can see they are incompetent fools and liars. You cannot fool the public for long about a deadly pandemic.
Typically, the head of one city’s
volunteer effort, frustrated after repeated pleas for help yielded nothing,
turned bitter and contemptuous:
Hundreds of women who are content to sit back had delightful dreams of
themselves in the roles of angels of mercy, had the unfathomable vanity to
imagine that they were capable of great sacrifice.
You can't blame them, can you? Do-gooder middle class women in 1918 did not sign on to risk their lives. The 1918 pandemic was much more dangerous to young people than today's pandemic.
A group of nuns in Philadelphia volunteered to help the sick. They were "inspirational." The thing is, 2000 of them volunteered, and 23 died. Many others got sick. 1% may not seem like a lot but most of us would not volunteer at those odds. See:
The sisters of Philadelphia were lifesavers during the Spanish flu epidemic. They are an inspiration today.
So, you are saying that public health officials in Japan, Korea and China are "spinning a story." We can't believe them. You should explain why they have the pandemic under control. You cannot control it without good data, and you have to make the data public, so people know what to do. Do you imagine they do not really have the pandemic under control, and the entire population of all three countries is going alone with their deception? Do you think people in Japan and Korea don't realize that thousands of their friends and family are sick and dying?
China is a totalitarian dictatorship and the government can suppress the facts. They did so at first, but as far as anyone can tell they are now telling the truth. Japan and Korea are open, democratic societies. The government cannot cover up the facts. Not much anyway. The state government here in Georgia does a better job of stonewalling the media and lying about the facts than the Japanese government, but even so, everyone here can see they are incompetent fools and liars. You cannot fool the public for long about a deadly pandemic.
I think the problem is the widespread impression, which is not without base, that China did not and is still not telling the whole truth. No doubts about S. Korea or Japan, but nothing that is published by Chinese media or authoritative sources can really be trusted unless independently verifiable. And with all things Covid-19, independent verification of Chinese data is nearly impossible.
The 7-day rolling average for the U.S. has fallen. I think the trend is established by now. Deaths peaked week or so after cases peaked, and have started to decline. I have not seen detailed breakdowns, but a quick look at some leading states seems to show the most improvements in California and Florida, the top two in recent weeks. Texas (#3) has not fallen as much. Georgia (#4) has plateaued. Arizona is doing much better, but they are way down the list, so their improvement does not have an impact on the U.S. as a whole. A decline in any state is welcome, of course.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/california/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/
https://www.ajc.com/news/coron…d/jvoLBozRtBSVSNQDDAuZxH/
