Covid-19 News

Did you see the Iranian health minister probably infect a whole room full of people at a press conference? He was obviously ill, wiping his forehead about a dozen times, and his nose many times during the conference. He confirmed he is infected the next day.

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Did you see the Iranian health minister probably infect a whole room full of people at a press conference?

Seriously, it would be interesting to see how many people in the room are infected. It is clear case of exposure for given length of time at a given distance.

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For people with a science account: https://www.sciencedirect.com/…abs/pii/S0166354220300528

The weapon origin of covid-19...

Wasn't able to read the full article but the abstract says in part,

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Despite a high similarity with the genome sequence of SARS-CoV and SARS-like CoVs, we identified a peculiar furin-like cleavage site in the Spike protein of the 2019-nCoV, lacking in the other SARS-like CoVs. In this article, we discuss the possible functional consequences of this cleavage site in the viral cycle, pathogenicity and its potential implication in the development of antivirals.

Does this imply genetic manipulation in a laboratory? I don't know, but would like to know more if you have other info. It 's interesting to me that the first known case of infection on Dec 1 had no known association with a meat market, nor did at least ten others of the earliest cases.

look up the church of Christ event in China, I think they are at 70 effected from her

I have been in touch with elderly Japanese friends in Sapporo and other hot spots. They are staying at home as much as possible. I would recommend buying some staples like a large bag of rice (which is what we Japanese people eat three meals a day), and some extra bottles of Clorox bleach cleaner, in case someone in your family comes down with it. You want to eat separately and wash doorknobs and things like that often.

The Japanese national government and some local governments have opened hot line numbers and advised people who think they might have the virus to NOT go to the hospital, unless they are in dire condition. Call first. A nurse may be sent to your house to test you, or you will be asked to go to the hospital at a specific time of day when the waiting room is cleared out of other patients. These are sensible steps. This is the kind of thing we would do in the U.S. if we had a healthcare system worthy of the name.

You might want to wash your hands before you come in the house, with a hose and lots of soap. My father's earliest memory was his father during the 1918 epidemic coming in the basement door, taking a shower, and changing his clothes. Not a bad idea.

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Seriously, it would be interesting to see how many people in the room are infected. It is clear case of exposure for given length of time at a given distance.

Look for the video of the same deputy minister later that evening of the press conference, on a talk show, coughing into his hands such that host remarked on it, to which he replied (translated) “Perhaps I should do it like this”, while demonstrating coughing into his inner elbow.

Here is some encouraging news. Look carefully at these graphs, especially the last two:

Serious and Critical Cases

Outcome of Cases (Recovery or Death)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-cases/

Note that the first graph, "Total Cases (worldwide)" can be changed to the logarithmic format on the top tab.

Main page:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Meanwhile, in bad news, the Japanese press reports that some recovered patients may not be fully immune.

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Without a vaccine, large scale deaths are probably inevitable. Thank goodness we can now develop and deploy new vaccines quickly.

Probably not and here is why. Any new vaccine and especially one for this virus, has to be tested for safety not to mention efficacy. COVID-19 kills partly due to "cytokine storm" -- an overenthusiastic immune response in a subset of the population. It is crucial to be certain that the vaccine does not induce the same syndrome, even if it is in a minority of patients. https://www.sciencedaily.com/r…/2014/02/140227142250.htm and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_release_syndrome And there are many other safety and efficacy issues which must be nailed down despite the emergency. You can be sure that tons of talented people and companies are working on it. But it takes time to make enough doses and give test vaccines to hundreds of people. And then they all have to be carefully tested and monitored. Not fast.

I just heard the head of infectious diseases for the USA National Institutes of Health (Dr. Anthony Fauci) - a person with vast experience- in a lengthy interview. He estimated a year minimum. But it could be a little shorter or longer or never. For example, as far as I know, a SARS coronavirus vaccine was never deployed. SARS was easier to control than COVID-19 because most patients were not infectious until a week or so after they developed symptoms. COVID-19 unfortunately is infectious before symptoms are developed which makes it vastly harder to control. The world could be in for a very bad period indeed. Along with the chaos caused by weather most likely due to global warming, it may be a disastrous period indeed.

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Meanwhile, in bad news, the Japanese press reports that some recovered patients may not be fully immune.

If true, more bad news and it means vaccines may be harder by far to develop if possible at all.

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Probably not and here is why. Any new vaccine and especially one for this virus, has to be tested for safety not to mention efficacy. COVID-19 kills partly due to "cytokine storm" -- an overenthusiastic immune response in a subset of the population. It is crucial to be certain that the vaccine does not induce the same syndrome, even if it is in a minority of patients.

In a dire emergency, with thousands of people dying per day, I expect they will deploy a vaccine even without sufficient safety testing.

I read that the immune response problem is what caused so many deaths in 1918.

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For example, as far as I know, a SARS coronavirus vaccine was never deployed.

A SARS vaccine was developed and tested, but it was never needed. The virus apparently went extinct on its own. Quote:

"It took researchers about 20 months to develop a vaccine against SARS in 2003 and six months when the Zika epidemic struck in 2015. Scientists want to halve that time with the coronavirus."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0…/coronavirus-vaccine.html

(Other experts think it will take much longer to develop a vaccine. Maybe a year.)

Some of the people who developed SARS vaccines think they might work with the new coronavirus. See:

http://www.pharmatimes.com/new…e_for_coronavirus_1326473

(There was another article about another researcher with a SARS vaccine that might be repurposed.)

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COVID-19 kills partly due to "cytokine storm" -- an overenthusiastic immune response in a subset of the population.

This is true for influenza too and for many other infections. Due to this reason covid-19 is no risk for children as their immune system will respond more reasonably. May be an immune suppressive is way more helpful than a nonsensical vaccine, that anyway couldn't be developed for the last 50 years now! Corona is a normal cold inducing virus in the shape of (cover-19), with a little MERS like add-on and a BIO marker that you have to buy on the market...

The only thing you can do is: Stay home if you feel sick. There is no way to escape the virus. Just to remind you that in all air of most major cities you always find some tiny numbers of all known pathogens including anthrax, or pest. The only critical thing is the first dose you get. If its to low, then the immune reaction will vanish if its to high, like a kiss, you potentially will live through some terrible times.

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May be an immune suppressive is way more helpful than a nonsensical vaccine,

Nonsensical?

• Flu vaccine prevents millions of illnesses and flu-related doctor’s visits each year. For example, during 2017-2018, flu vaccination prevented an estimated 6.2 million influenza illnesses, 3.2 million influenza-associated medical visits, 91,000 influenza-associated hospitalizations, and 5,700 influenza-associated deaths.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm

Some remarkable news:

China recorded only 15 new cases in the last 24 hours. Apparently, their quarantine is working. They botched the initial response, but you have to give them credit for reducing the infection rate. The rate peaked on Feb. 4 with 3,915 new cases, and again on Feb. 14 with 5,151 new cases. (The spike on Feb. 12 was from redefining the cases, moving many from "probable" to the "actual" category.)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://www.worldometers.info/…avirus-cases/#daily-cases

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COVID-19 kills partly due to "cytokine storm"

That is why you should make sure you have enough Vitamin D. It slows the storm.

Notice that Brazil has just posted a confirmed case. That may become important since the Carnival was the 21st there. Also since it is more "tropical" and thus the virus may not be attenuated much by spring/summer. The same with the cases in Australia.

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That is why you should make sure you have enough Vitamin D. It slows the storm.

I saw that also.

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According to most of the authors, more randomized controlled trials with effective, large populations are needed to explore the preventive effect of vitamin D supplementation on viral influenza infections.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121423/ unfortunately, not a terribly strong article and also, large doses of Vitamin D may not be harmless (look up tachyphylaxis).

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Due to this reason covid-19 is no risk for children as their immune system will respond more reasonably.

Reference please? I don't think that is the reason.

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May be an immune suppressive is way more helpful than a nonsensical vaccine, that anyway couldn't be developed for the last 50 years now!

Corticosteroids suppress immune response and they don't work. On the other hand "nonsensical vaccines" are effective in preventing a wide variety of viral illness. The estimate from USA-NIH to develop a vaccine is 2-3 months and a synthetic vaccine exists now. The issue is testing them for efficacy and safety. It takes about a year as explained above in another post. Some vaccines are elusive but that is usually due to rapid evolution of the virus (you do believe in evolution, do you not, Wyttenbach ??

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Tocilizumab, an anti-IL6 monoclonal antibody, has been used in some medical centers to treat severe CRS.[2][3]

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Although frequently used to treat severe CRS in people with ARDS, corticosteroids and NSAIDs have been evaluated in clinical trials and have shown no effect on lung mechanics, gas exchange, or beneficial outcome in early established ARDS.

Both above quotes are from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine_release_syndrome

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The only critical thing is the first dose you get. If its to low, then the immune reaction will vanish if its to high, like a kiss, you potentially will live through some terrible times.

Complete nonsense. Here is classical very basic microbiology: whether or not you acquire an infection depends on a) the amount (dose) of the infective agent you are exposed to, b) the infectivity (virulence) of the agent and c) the state of your immunity to that agent. How your body responds depends on pathogenicity of the infective agent and on your immune status. Your immune status depends in part on age and overall condition of health and such things as immune suppression (HIV, organ transplants, etc.) and previous vaccination. These are gross oversimplifications but useful ones.

Note that vaccines strongly affect "c". BTW, this is not to be confused with how allergy and allergens work but that's OTC.

A recent paper identifies three flavonoids (herbacetin, , rhoifolin , pectolinarin) that may have anti-viral effects on COVID-19 ---

"Inhibition of SARS-CoV 3CL protease by flavonoids"

https://www.tandfonline.com/do…080/14756366.2019.1690480

Generally hard to find these as pure supplements, but perhaps available in flax seed hulls, bergomat orange extracts, etc.

Maybe an ordinary malaria drug could help against COVID-19

I didn't check, if something similar has been posted yet on LENR forum!

Here is the link:

https://medonline.at/innere-me…nd-notwendige-massnahmen/

"....Ein herkömmliches Malaria-Mittel wirkt womöglich auch gegen das neuartige Coronavirus. Das Mittel Chloroquin, das in Österreich unter dem Handelsnamen Resochin bekannt ist, habe sich in einer klinischen Studie in China als wirksam gezeigt, sagte der Leiter des Instituts für Infektionskrankheiten in Marseille, Didier Raoult, am Dienstag. Das französische Gesundheitsministerium warnte vor Euphorie. Raoult beruft sich auf eine Untersuchung von drei chinesischen Forschern, die vor einer Woche in der Fachzeitschrift „BioScience Trends“ erschienen ist. Darin beschreiben die Wissenschafter eine klinische Studie mit mehr als hundert Patienten. In dem kurzen Text heißt es, dass eine Behandlung mit Chloroquin „wirksamer“ gewesen sei als die einer Vergleichsgruppe. Genaue Zahlen nannten die chinesischen Forscher von der Universität Qingdao allerdings nicht. Der französische Institutsleiter Raoult betonte, dies wäre eine „außerordentliche Nachricht“, denn das Malaria-Medikament sei sehr preisgünstig. Deutlich zurückhaltender äußerte sich der französische Gesundheitsminister Olivier Veran. Er sagte dem Sender BFM-TV, er stehe mit Raoult im Kontakt und sein Ministerium lasse die Wirksamkeit des Arzneimittels prüfen. Veran sprach von „interessanten Studien über die Wirkung im Labor“. Die klinischen Studien mit Patienten müssten aber noch bestätigt werden, betonte er. ..."

Gppg;e translate...

".... A conventional antimalarial agent may also be effective against the novel coronavirus. The agent chloroquine, which is known in Austria under the trade name Resochin, has been shown to be effective in a clinical study in China, said the head of the institute for Infectious diseases in Marseille, Didier Raoult, on Tuesday, the French ministry of health warned of euphoria, referring to a study by three Chinese researchers published a week ago in the BioScience Trends journal, which the scientists describe as part of a clinical trial more than a hundred patients. The short text said that treatment with chloroquine was "more effective" than that of a comparison group. However, the Chinese researchers from Qingdao University did not give exact figures. The French head of the institute Raoult emphasized that this was a " extraordinary news ”because the malaria med icament is very inexpensive. French Minister of Health Olivier Veran expressed himself much more reserved. He told BFM-TV that he was in contact with Raoult and that his ministry had the effectiveness of the drug checked. Veran spoke of "interesting studies on the effects in the laboratory". The clinical studies with patients still have to be confirmed, he emphasized.

maybe AlainCo you can find more info on this? Thanks