one guy is breathing through the nose with his mask down. This is a show. The show was meant to display govt. efforts to squash the virus instead it creates panic.
I think it is more likely that one guy breathing through the nose is untrained. Or he is an idiot. If this was meant to display government efforts, they would not show someone with the mask down. This makes the government look stupid.
It’s notable that three of the four flu pandemics in the past century were followed shortly by U.S. recessions. The exception was the 2009 outbreak, which occurred when the world economy was already in the dumps.
Closed factories and offices reduce output, restaurants and cinemas suffer revenue shortfalls, corporate debt weighs heavier, while small businesses may fail if the owner falls sick or dies.
The 2009 pandemic was "surprisingly mild".
QuoteI think it is more likely that one guy breathing through the nose is untrained. Or he is an idiot. If this was meant to display government efforts, they would not show someone with the mask down.
I bet half of US citizens have no comprehension of the germ "theory" of disease. I see people on TV with masks uncovering their nose a lot. I wonder what they expect to happen if they sneeze.
QuoteThis makes the government look stupid.
The current government of the US *is* stupid. That's what you are seeing when people who really know what is going on, like Dr. Anthony Fauci, are muzzled and restricted in what they can say while total idiots in the administration are allowed to bray whatever they want to. I won't name names to avoid getting political but you can hear them every day on Fox News in the US.
QuoteThe best case would be the disease is contained by quarantine until a vaccine can be developed and deployed.
Yes, that is best case but the vaccine is more than a year away, most likely. And some incomplete and incredibly costly containment by quarantine for a year is just remotely feasible though improbable in the US. How do you do it in India, Nigeria, Congo, Brazil, etc. ? This could be an immense and lethal mess that is coming up. It mostly depends on the properties of the virus at this point. Human behavior is completely unreliable.
T. A. Ghebreyesus, director of W.H.O. announced that: "More than 20 vaccines are in development globally, and several therapeutics are in clinical trials. We expect the first results in a few weeks."
https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-…28-20-intl-hnk/index.html
Elsewhere it is reported:
Moderna and GlaxoSmithKline are leading the race to develop a vaccine for the novel coronavirus, with both companies advancing candidates forward.
Biotech company Moderna announced yesterday that its has released the first batch of its vaccine – mRNA-1273 – for human use. The vaccine has been sent to the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and National Institutes of Health (NIH) to be used in a planned phase 1 study in the US.
On the other hand, physicists I heard from such as Mizuno who were assigned to it said the bureaucrats stayed out.
If you like to know all Fukushima details the we can open a different thread. I know all interna and the rest is disinformation.
Regarding Covid-19. From Italy it did spread to everywhere in the wester world an also to Arabia. This morning Switzerland in total 16 - 15 new all from Italy. Even the bicycle tour in the Emirates was stopped due to 2 Italian cyclists found positive.
I'm very optimistic. In fact Covid-19 is highly infectious, what leads to many soft infections with no symptoms at all. Just avoid hot spots. The mortality reported is for strongly infected people. in reality it must be way below influenza. No need for vaccine except for sick & and older people.
Quoteif you like to know all Fukushima details the we can open a different thread. I know all interna and the rest is disinformation.
Interestingly, a division of Mitsubishi was responsible for the economic disaster at the San Onofre nuclear power plant. The net result is an $8 billion loss for California rate payers and the company SDG&E. This story has received prominent coverage in SoCal newspapers and related TV and web news sources. While an international tribunal said that fraud and negligence were not proved, most experts in SoCal believe that incompetence and negligence were certainly in play in this major disaster. The story contributes to the negative impression people get about conventional nuclear power.
QuoteDisplay MoreIn a ten-year project completed in 2011 and costing $671 million, Edison replaced the steam generators in both reactors with Mitsubishi steam generators of modified design. Because of the reactors' two-loop design, uncommon for such large reactors of that era, the steam generators were among the largest in the industry.[12] A common shortcoming of these large steam generators was tube wear, requiring replacement earlier than their 40-year design life.[12] The steam generators being the largest components in the reactor required a temporary hole through the concrete containment shell. The Unit 2 replacement was completed in 2009 and Unit 3 in 2011. Edison estimated that the modernization would save customers $1 billion during the plant's license period, which at the time ran until 2022...
...In June 2012 the environmental group Friends of the Earth filed a legal petition with the NRC, asking that any decision to restart SONGS be considered a de facto NRC license amendment which required a public hearing, rather than a decision by the NRC commissioners. Friends of the Earth submitted evidence and sworn statements of John Large of the London-based nuclear consulting engineers Large & Associates, demonstrating that the steam generating tube degradation was a generic fault of the Mitsubishi design and that Edison's power derating of the two nuclear units would not lower the rate of wear or the risk of catastrophic tube failure.[51] SCE and NRC staff filed statements opposing the petition...
...On June 7, 2013, Southern California Edison announced it would "permanently retire" Unit 2 and Unit 3, ending their attempt to restart the plant at a reduced capacity. The utility said it would cut the SONGS workforce from about 1,500 to some 400 employees, with most reductions "expected to occur in 2013". The company also said it would "pursue recovery of damages from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, the supplier of the replacement steam generators",[8][70] although the contract limited liability to $138 million and excluded consequential damages.[58][71] The chief executive of Edison International explained that the current licenses expire in 2022, and with post-Fukushima requirements, which include re-evaluating earthquake vulnerability, it was uncertain renewal would be economic, so it made little sense making costly and politically difficult repairs now that would not make a return on investment before 2022.[72]...
n July 2013 SCE started a 90-day dispute resolution process with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.[81] The dispute resolution was unsuccessful, so a binding arbitration process run by the International Chamber of Commerce commenced in October 2013.[71][82] SCE claimed $7.57 billion (930 billion yen), but MHI argues that compensation is limited to $137 million by their contract.[83]
In October 2015 the owners reached a $400 million settlement with their insurers for outages caused by the failure. SCE received $312.8 million, SDG&E $80 million, and the city of Riverside $7.16 million. The arbitration claim against MHI continued to be pursued through the International Chamber of Commerce.[84]
In March 2017 the International Chamber of Commerce ordered MHI to pay $125 million compensation, the liability limit contained in the contract.[85] The tribunal rejected claims of fraud and gross negligence against Mitsubishi, and ordered the claimants to pay MHI $58 million in legal fees and costs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…uclear_Generating_Station
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QuoteI'm very optimistic. In fact Covid-19 is highly infectious, what leads to many soft infections with no symptoms at all. Just avoid hot spots. The mortality reported is for strongly infected people. in reality it must be way below influenza. No need for vaccine except for sick & and older people.
You may be right about the first part but you are definitely wrong about the vaccine part. And unless you are a virology/microbiology specialist, when you make purportedly factual claims like those, you really should include peer reviewed sources from scholarly journals (not conspiracy web sites).
QuoteJust avoid hot spots.
How do you do that consistently? Because the patients are infectious before symptoms develop (the period of time is unknown), hot spots may not be discernible. That's like saying that to avoid gun violence, you just need to stay away from guns.
T. A. Ghebreyesus, director of W.H.O. announced that: "More than 20 vaccines are in development globally, and several therapeutics are in clinical trials. We expect the first results in a few weeks."
He said that during a press conference. He made other interesting comments. The video is here:
The audio begins at minute 15 and his comments start at minute 16. The comment about vaccines is at minute 20. At minute 22 he describes the symptoms: a temperature and a dry cough. If you develop shortness of breath, call a doctor or go to a hospital immediately (minute 24). I think that's pneumonia.
All I see is another part to a ambulatory op, in past years all the financial traps, island hopping fake news system, with good people working within a snake pit of corruption. 2nd to final justification.
Here is a superb presentation from an epidemiologist who just came back from China. This is full of useful technical information. It clarifies many aspects of the situation, such as whether there are large numbers of hidden cases. The answer is no, probably not, for a number of reasons given by the speaker.
This is the most hopeful view of the situation I have seen.
As I work in the health sector here is an illustrative story from a few days ago at one of our centres.
Anonomised of course to protect the innocent, as well as the foolish.
Patient walked into the centre where notices were prominently displayed and was asked by receptionist if patient had recenty been abroad to any hotspot areas. Patient said no.
Patient waited in area with other patients.
Patient finally went into doctor and announced patient felt unwell and had just got off a flight from Italy that afternoon.
Patient was asked why they had not told this to the receptionist and patient said that personal travel arrangements were not any of their business.
Doctor immediately had to leave the room to request appropriate measures be taken.
Room had to be closed and deep cleaned.
Doctor had to self isolate until results of test for virus could come back.
Doctor out of clinical rotas for this period so either slots had to be closed or doctors moved from other areas.
A big chinese restaurant in my town was closed by the mayor, because the special forces of the airforce base of Persan-Beaumont (Oise) made a birthday party there. (These troopers were on the plane who take back French people from Wuhan, and the gave the Covid to a science professor of an high school of Creil, who dead of pneumonia last week) :
QuoteIf you develop shortness of breath, call a doctor or go to a hospital immediately (minute 24). I think that's pneumonia.
Two useful tools one should have around. An accurate, under tongue (or in the ear) thermometer. Temporal or forehead infrared-sensing thermometers are generally not reliable unless you have a roaring fire going on inside (105 degF or so). And maybe not even then because if you are sweating enough, evaporative cooling will lower the temperature of your skin. Of course, heavy sweating at rest is a reason on its own to get checked.
The other thing is something few people think of. Shortness of breath has many causes. Of course, if severe, it's always a reason for medical attention. But sometimes, it's just panic. An oximeter is a simple way to know if you are really in serious trouble. These little fingertip devices are now available for $30 at Amazon in the US and they are generally very good (read the reviews). If you can afford it, get an Onyx, Respironics or any by Nonin. The ones made for mountain climbing and for pilots are excellent.
Two precautions with these. If your finger is cold or the device isn't applied quite right to the finger, it can read alarmingly low. So warm your hand before using. Also, obviously, test it and check it regularly to establish your baseline. Most people with normal lungs and hearts *at sea level* will be between 94% and 98% saturation. Anything below 90% is a reason to find out why it's low and 88% or less is definitely not OK. Normal oxyhemoglobin saturation decreases with elevation of altitude. I don't have the tables or charts available at the moment but they available online. If you are in true, physiological respiratory distress, from essentially any cause, it will probably reflect in low oxyhemoglobin saturation.
Suggest you search Amazon for "Zacurate"- it's a brand I used without problems and it should cost only $25 in the US (lookout for coronavirus related price gouging). YMMV.
ETA: O2sat vs altitude-- use the red curve and the right vertical scale: http://www.high-altitude-medicine.com/SaO2-table.html
Additional info: https://perf2ndwind.org/basics…rs-and-oxygen-saturation/
You may be right about the first part but you are definitely wrong about the vaccine part. And unless you are a virology/microbiology specialist, when you make purportedly factual claims like those, you really should include peer reviewed sources from scholarly journals (not conspiracy web sites).
How do you do that consistently? Because the patients are infectious before symptoms develop (the period of time is unknown), hot spots may not be discernible. That's like saying that to avoid gun violence, you just need to stay away from guns.
Reality check: The vaccines for SARS CoV didn't go well. Why? Long story short : When vaccinated and unvaccinated mice were challenged with SARS CoV, the vaccinated mice suffered much worse lung conditions than the unvaccinated mice. The vaccines had hyper sensitized them, resulting in a cytokine storm.
Here's the conclusion from https://journals.plos.org/plos…1371/journal.pone.0035421
QuoteThese SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.
Notice that the authors still managed to sneak in that the vaccine induced 'protection against infection'. Why? Because it produced antibody titre! The industry continues to conflate antibody titre with true immunity and 'protection'. What a farce.
Take away : I personally wouldn't get too giddy that vaccines for covid19 are being developed at record pace.
Washington State Declares Emergency Amid Coronavirus Death, Illnesses at Nursing Facility
Among 288 residents and workers at Life Care, more than 50 people — 25 health workers and 27 residents — have shown symptoms of respiratory illness or have been hospitalized for pneumonia
I honestly think that Covid 19 entered the USA in December and was simply lost and mixed into the common flu pneumonia.
Testing in the USA is almost being avoided, one can only wonder why that is.
This news report flew over most heads, but I Think that if the Governor of California admitted that they were monitoring 8400 people for potential CV19, the thing has to have been circulating for a good while there.
Take away : I personally wouldn't get too giddy that vaccines for covid19 are being developed at record pace.
The pace of developing vaccines has increased a great deal in recent decades, with improved technology and better understanding of viruses. It is not unreasonable to think that the covid19 vaccine will probably be developed, tested, and mass produced in record time. Not in a few months, as some people in the Trump administration claimed, but perhaps in less than a year. Let me reiterate what the director of the W.H.O., Ghebreyesus, said:
"More than 20 vaccines are in development globally, and several therapeutics are in clinical trials. We expect the first results in a few weeks."
He might be wrong, but he is an expert and I expect he has good reason to think this is the case. Respected companies have announced clinical trials.
