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    Here is more about this story. Some of you may choke on the headline, but it is a comprehensive coverage of the good doctor from NY, and more. He may be single handedly stamping out a New York Orthodox Jewish hotspot, all by use of HCQ/Azithroymicin/Zinc:


    https://forward.com/news/natio…chloroquine-trump-doctor/

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    From a friend marooned in Bologna...


    Gas stations closing on thursday. A very bad move on the fuel resellers' part. Things fall apart / The centre cannot hold / Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world /

    That's what the poet wrote. Hope it doesn't come to that. Infection rate dropping here, somebody did something right.Apparently they're shutting down until April 3rd. Also on the motorways. Which means problems with lorries and long-distance supplies.


    ETA- Hauliers in the UK saying cross-channel freight volumes down 50%, and with the loss of Italian tomatoes and fruit from the south, there will be a shortage of fresh produce from warmer climes.

  • On the news locally (about a patient in New Jersey). He is a 25 year old All American lacrosse player in perfect health. A week ago on Friday, he felt generally unwell nonspecifically. The next day, he developed high fever, headache and severe muscle aches in his back. He started to have shortness of breath. He was admitted to a local hospital and tested positive for COVID-19. Over the next few days, he got progressively worse and is now in a "medically induced coma" (paralyzed with muscle relaxants derived from curare and heavily sedated) on a respirator. He is a candidate for ECMO (extracorporeal membrane oxygenator) treatment (horrible last ditch stuff) and will be tried on IV remdesivir. His survival chance is less than 50%. The piece did not say if chloroquine type drugs or azithromycin are being considered.


    So? Well, this virus also attacks the young and they can get as sick and as dead as the old, just not as frequently. So is this a genetic component? Maybe - maybe not. Nobody knows but it isn't ruled out.


    By the traditional theory, probability of infection depends on a) virulence of the organism, b) resistance of the host and c) dose of the organism received. So it could be one of the other variables but a poor resistance is maybe the most probable. And in a young man in perfect health, what could that be other than genes?

  • Sad, if he had been given the Raoult treatment early on he would probably be on his feet again by now. It's not going to be effective at this late stage after massive lung damage. Although I heard about one of the earliest cases reported in Thailand was 31 year old backpacker again v fit and well became v I'll and they had to pump litres of fluid out of his lungs. He survived so there's always hope.

  • So is this a genetic component?

    Iceland may have a specific answer in their genetic CoVid study..

    still not revealed through concerns about confidentiality..


    however in general ..susceptibility to disease is very genetic.. as revealed by asthma studies


    "Asthma is one of the most common chronic diseases affecting both children and adults.

    We report a genome-wide association meta-analysis of 69,189 cases and 702,199 controls from Iceland and UK biobank

    . We find 88 asthma risk variants at 56 loci, 19 previously unreported, and evaluate their effect on other asthma and allergic phenotypes.


    However the e pluribus unum USA has more genetic diversity than the Vikings


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6971247/

  • How the BCG vaccine could be protective to COVID -19



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCG_vaccine


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    Bacillus Calmette–Guérin (BCG) vaccine is a vaccine primarily used against tuberculosis (TB).[1] In countries where tuberculosis or leprosy is common, one dose is recommended in healthy babies as close to the time of birth as possible.[1] In areas where tuberculosis is not common, only children at high risk are typically immunized, while suspected cases of tuberculosis are individually tested for and treated.



    https://www.sciencemag.org/new…m-against-new-coronavirus


    Can a century-old TB vaccine steel the immune system against the new coronavirus?


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    Researchers in four countries will soon start a clinical trial of an unorthodox approach to the new coronavirus. They will test whether a century-old vaccine against tuberculosis (TB), a bacterial disease, can rev up the human immune system in a broad way, allowing it to better fight the virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 and, perhaps, prevent infection with it altogether. The studies will be done in physicians and nurses, who are at higher risk of becoming infected with the respiratory disease than the general population, and in the elderly, who are at higher risk of serious illness if they become infected.



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  • Melbourne hospitals to conduct large clinical trial on hydroxyCQ as a prophylactic.

    Frontline healthworkers. starts 1 month +/- results in 3 months...


    "Trial participants would be provided with the drug for four months to prevent Covid-19,

    with the trial set to include 2,250 people of whom half would be on the drug while the other half take a placebo.

    "The clinical study is a collaborative effort with major hospitals across Victoria," the spokesperson said.


    https://www.businessnewsaus.co…and-vaccine-research.html

  • https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-25/hydroxychloroquine-no-better-than-regular-covid-19-care-in-study\


    Malaria Drug Chloroquine No Better Than Regular Coronavirus Care, Study Finds


    The report published by the Journal of Zhejiang University in China showed that patients who got the medicine didn’t fight off the new coronavirus more often than those who did not get the medicine.


    In the Chinese study, which was conducted by researchers from the department of infection and immunity at the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Center, the 15 patients who didn’t get hydroxychloroquine were treated with conventional care.


    This includes bed rest, oxgen inhalation, and the use of anti-viral drugs recommended in China’s treatment guidelines like lopinavir and ritonavir, and antibiotics when necessary.


    One patient treated with hydroxychloroquine progressed to severe disease during the study. Four patients given the medicine developed diarrhea and signs of potential liver damage, compared with three getting conventional treatment.

  • https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne…milligrams-VITAMIN-C.html


    New York hospitals are treating coronavirus patients with high dosages of VITAMIN C after promising results from China


    Dr Andrew Weber shared that he has been immediately giving his intensive-care patients 1,500 milligrams of intravenous vitamin C


    The Long Island based pulmonologist and critical-care specialist with Northwell Health shared that patients are given three to four doses a day


    Weber shared that the regimen is based off experimental treatments that were done in China


    Jason Molinet, a spokesman for Northwell, said that Vitamin C is being 'widely used' as a coronavirus treatment throughout the health system


    The amount given to patients varies


    A clinical trial into the effectiveness of intravenous vitamin C patients with coronavirus was conducted on February 14 at Zhongnan Hospital in Wuhan

    Coronavirus symptoms: what are they and should you see a doctor?

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  • If we consider that increasingly frequent heat waves are already caused by human activities, I think that the current virus should be put into perspective because only in France during the 2003 heat wave, there were already 15,000 deaths.

  • Jed,

    Your dislike, distrust and hatred for the President of the US comes shining thru in virtually every post you make.

    Anyone who disagrees with your position is “ridiculous”, it’s simple really,

    Jed Rothwell is always right.


    If 1 person, just 1, got past the quarantine

    in Japan, then how many could have got thru any quarantine measures set up in the US? Even if these measures were set up on

    January 1st stateside, our borders are so expansive, unprotected and easily navigable in relation to South Korea that thousands of infected people could have entered the country unknowingly carrying the virus.


    Size matters here, it’s NOT ridiculous.

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    Roseland67 (and everybody else.)


    These flu threads are for discussing the pandemic, status, the science, and its social effects. While it is not possible to separate politics entirely, it is possible to avoid making politics a personal matter. That - in this context - means while it is allowable to criticise a government collectively, members should please avoid singling out particular persons. Trump may be POTUS, but he is NOT the US government, in that same way that Boris Johnson is the UK's Prime Minister, but NOT the UK government. The responsibilities of the government in a democracy are collective, not, in this space at least, individual and personal.


    Any thread posts that become too politicised will be transported to Clearance (at least).

  • Dr Andrew Weber shared that he has been immediately giving his intensive-care patients 1,500 milligrams of intravenous vitamin C


    The study I did read shows some random effects of high dose Vitamin C (in Epstein Bar case) with daily doses increasing from 24,48,72g/day. It just might strongly help some of the patients but many had no improvements.


    During the 1918 Spanish flue pandemics some Indian doctors tried ultra low dose Hydrogen Peroxide injections . But the sample group was small about 12 patients plus the involve doctors. All survived.


    Peroxides splits off an O-2 radical what is the same process our immune system uses to fight bacteria & virus before they enter a cell. Many parasites don't like this treatment and degenerate. Also plants like Artemisinin (Malaria) provide the same effect.


    This form of treatment relies on your immune system being able to do the rest. In the corona case for most of the stronger affected I would count on known drugs that stop/block the basic path to the cell.


    In very serious cases the path to death is extremely short. From day one of a deep lung infection your window for action can be as short as 24 hours.

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