The U.S. healthcare and general health of the population is far below Korea, so we will have a higher mortality rate.
Measured how? Reported where? And please: life expectancy and childhood mortality, especially perinatal, are not measures of quality of healthcare. There are way too many other variables.
I think Sweden got it right. protect those at risk, quarantine AFTER symptoms/ tests
I suggest you wait a few months to see their morbidity and mortality curves before yumping to concussions (pardon my poor Swedish).
Here the link to the NY detailed data: Currently 89% have comorbidity.
So f'n what (and I didn't even check to see if it's true)? Is society going to be OK with anyone who has an illness or impairing condition dying? If so, WTF do we have doctors and modern medicine for? Why not do away with those and just have survival of the fittest? Do you see how stupid the statement is? (probably not)
QuoteThe info I heard (news cast) was about 90% had comorbidity and about 80% had multiple comorbidity (more than on issue)
What is a qualifying comorbidity? How severe need it be to qualify? Do controlled diabetes, controlled hypertension, qualify? How about athlete's foot fungi? Psoriasis? Strabismus? (crossed eyes) ... How many people in the population (%) have one or more? Do you see how stupid this is? Most people, especially anyone of adult age, has one or more morbidity (it just means a condition of less than perfect health) of one sort or another.
They [COVID suppression measures] have been proven to work in China, Korea, Japan and New Zealand. It will cost billions of dollars to implement them in the U.S., and it will take 300,000 people, but that cost is trivial compared to keeping the economy closed, or the cost of having hundreds of thousands or millions of people die.
No guarantee they will work in the US where 20% of the population believes COVID is a hoax and, encouraged by the POTUS, breaks quarantine.
I agree, optimal is to get cases down very low and then strenuous test, trace, quarantine to keep them very low
But in the US cases are not very low, and the lockdown needed to get them to a point where test & trace can keep them low is being resisted.
Of course it would be better for the US to be like NZ - but it is not. There is a leadership difference. But even if not that the US have always been suspicious of being told what to do by government. In this situation that leads to very unfortunate results.
So f'n what (and I didn't even check to see if it's true)? Is society going to be OK with anyone who has an illness or impairing condition dying? If so, WTF do we have doctors and modern medicine for? Why not do away with those and just have survival of the fittest? Do you see how stupid the statement is? (probably not)
Please do study the data and then try to understand.
We have to make some decisions. It's war against a hidden enemy. You can softly treat any patient with outmost care during peace time. But this does no longer work out in an exceptional situation. We here in Europe understand this. We still have some war time memory something most US citizens know from the play-station...We (most European countries) stopped the lock down an will not go back and we will, not wait for vaccine or "Goddot" to explain us what we need to do.
97% of all deaths here in Switzerland are older than 65 and all do have serious comorbidity factors. Here the health care system never was over 50% of ICU beds used. The picture from NY is quite different with 10% deaths with no known comorbidity and also more younger that do die. Most likely to due to the rotten US health care system that only properly treats people with enough money and thus such comorbidity factors were never detect/treated. This is OK for us as the US majority believes its a human right to kill your slave, that is unable to make money. Every country has his philosophy and believes it's outstanding.
The older and vulnerable can self decide. Either they respect the virus or they go their chosen path and find out how sick they are. Luckily we now do have a working medication and much fewer will die.
All this has nothing to with medicine or doctors skills. It's political = survival driven and obviously the younger will not commit social suicide for any fringe gran-dad having 12 more weeks to live.
As long as you do not treat your patients with proper corona medication (e.g Ivermectin, Avigan, B interferon) and wait for FDA or CDC to tell you what to do, then you anyway should not question any decision as you take none.
I think it is higher than 1%, because many deaths were not ascribed to the disease which should have been.
In most countries the average live expectation of people dying from covid-19 is the same as of people dying the "normal" way. Thus, when will you start to understand that for almost all other diseases (e.g. Cholera) this is not the case because the younger are affect too? After 6 months when the pandemic stops you will see 10'000's of missing deaths. What will you declare than. A positive live extension disease?
For a country with a working medical system corona is not worse than a common cold if the older/sick do respect the virus. You unluckily live in the USA and now face the problem, that the USA in some parts of the country, is behaving worse than most development countries. This might be a healing shock and may be, afterwards, your country will start to develop some broader social culture.
No guarantee they will work in the US where 20% of the population believes COVID is a hoax and, encouraged by the POTUS, breaks quarantine.
I think you mean stay-home orders, not quarantine. Quarantine is for sick people, and most people with the coronavirus do not want to go out. Anyway, I doubt it is 20%, but it would not matter. We won't need stay-at-home rules. We wouldn't need them now if the government had implemented the Korean methods in April. No stay-at-home rules are in effect in Korea or China (now), and the ones in Japan are being defied by a lot more than 20%. Around 30% based on the sales at stores, restaurants, pachinko parlors and bars, which are still open. It is like the pirates' code: more what you call "guidelines" than actual rules.
Regarding people who believe idiotic things such as ingesting Lysol, I assure you there are as many idiots per capita in Japan as in the U.S. or anywhere else. They have succeeded because they have brilliant epidemiologists, top-notch internet, and the prefectural governors are effective leaders, not because the people are smart. Or obedient.
Anyway, when people's lives are at stake, they tend to obey rules. Also, it helps to fine them thousand of dollars, the way they do in Italy and France.
Human biology and human nature being pretty much the same everywhere, I am confident these methods will work.
The U.S. healthcare and general health of the population is far below Korea, so we will have a higher mortality rate.
Measured how? Reported where? And please: life expectancy and childhood mortality, especially perinatal, are not measures of quality of healthcare.
Measured by every relevant metric, and reported by every major health agency in the world, such as the American Public Health Association. The U.S. is ranked somewhere around 25 to 30.
If life expectancy and infant mortality are not measures of health, and healthcare, what do they measure? Surely they measure healthcare in the larger sense, including public health and education, which are essential to good health. Anyway, if you don't like those metrics, use any of the other common ones, from the American Public Health Association:
US Intel Officials Believe 45,500 Corpses Were Incinerated In One Fortnight In Wuhan
U.S. intelligence has estimated that between March 23 and April 4, at least 45,500 corpses were incinerated in China.
A recent estimation of the true death toll, released by The American Enterprise Institute suggested that China must have had at least 2.9 million cases outside the Hubei province and that the total number of deaths is likely well over 100,000.
Some new and emerging research about Covid-19 and the drugs that might affect it. Also the oxidative stress mechanism is explained.
Here is some background on clot hyper-formation via ace2 malfunction
Measured by every relevant metric, and reported by every major health agency in the world, such as the American Public Health Association. The U.S. is ranked somewhere around 25 to 30.
I didn't examine every detail but most if not att of the items you listed, as I suspected, reflect lifestyle and economics and education and not a bit do they indicate quality of care. You might ask yourself why the US is where foreign nationals, especially the wealthy and the leaders, come to when they have an unusual or especially difficult health problem. IMO, the US has the best equipment and the best specialists and the best medical training in the world.
The reason we are not controlling this epidemic better is not because of poor healthcare. It's because of all the dildo-thinkers in America who believe the thing to do is disregard the public health, virus biology and epidemiology experts of which we have some of the best, if not the best, in the world. I, for one, love our freedom(s). But this can come at a steep price. And we are seeing, in mortality and morbidity numbers, some of the results of these freedoms and necessary reluctance of government to abrogate them for any reason.
And in the US, like most places, scientific and technical education, while excellent, is not what the average person learns. Instead, they focus on child rearing, business, sports, and religion as their favorite focuses for attention. So many of our protestors simply do not and can not understand what is going on and the remaining disaster which will most likely happen. Many experts say we are not even through 1/4 of the casualties. Maybe even less if we keep doing what we are doing.
A very hopeful story below about scientists at Oxford believing that they are on a path to a potential vaccine. One of the scientists thinks they might even have something by the end of the year. As soon as a vaccine is tested and shown to be safe and effective it will then be one of the greatest undertakings in human history to try to manufacture and distribute billions of doses of it. It will be like nothing we have ever seen before.
A person I know who has knowledge about vaccines said one way to do it would be to take over beer producing plants around the world. They apparently have the types of containers that could make large volumes of vaccine.
In most countries the average live expectation of people dying from covid-19 is the same as of people dying the "normal" way.
You mean the average life expectancy of a person dying of COVID-19 would be around three weeks (or sometimes as little as two days) without the disease? Why do you and how can you believe such amazingly stupid garbage? I am guessing other people don't call you on it very often is because they are convinced there's no point to it.
For the rest of you: https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/05…s-sanjay-gupta/index.html
HCQ +Famotidine study.. from 2.06
first results in 2-3 weeks (n=391).. Don't buy Pepcid.. its in short supply anyway..
the doses used are 9x the heartburn doses and also in the injection form
Is there a reason I have missed at he jump in US deaths today?
2,470 today, 1,384 yesterday.
Seems like a substantial jump.
What is going on?
Is there a reason I have missed at he jump in US deaths today?
2,470 today, 1,384 yesterday.
Seems like a substantial jump.
What is going on?
Easter bump?
Is there a reason I have missed at he jump in US deaths today?
2,470 today, 1,384 yesterday.
Seems like a substantial jump.
What is going on?
The increase is likely due to the high number of new cases about 2-3 weeks ago. Those days saw well over 30k new cases per day. So people who showed symptoms then are still passing away in large numbers.
Even though we have seen new cases dip here in the U.S. below 30k new cases per day, we still saw 25.4k new cases today. That’s still way too high to open back up for business (I know you disagree Shane). But we need 2-3 million people tested per week, and we need new cases below 10k per day for effective contact tracing. Anything less than that and the cases will just go back to where they were, and we will have lost all of the benefits that social distancing has brought us up to this point.
If people need to open back up for business and there is no way to stop it, then please tell everyone to wear a mask. Not just for themselves, but also because they care about those around them.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news…ce-helping-155637974.html
Amazing to me how these doctors are starting to fight for HCQ. Except for the American Medical Association, they largely shun overt politics, unless something really stirs them up. Looks like this HCQ has done just that. From the article:
Peer-reviewed studies published from January through April 20, 2020, provide clear and convincing evidence that HCQ may be beneficial in COVID-19, especially when used early, states AAPS. Unfortunately, although it is perfectly legal to prescribe drugs for new indications not on the label, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has said that CQ and HCQ should be used for COVID-19 only in hospitalized patients in the setting of a clinical study if available. Most states are making it difficult for physicians to prescribe or pharmacists to dispense these medications.
“Many nations, including Turkey and India, are protecting medical workers and contacts of infected persons prophylactically. According to worldometers.info, deaths per million persons from COVID-19 as of Apr 27 are 167 in the U.S., 33 in Turkey, and 0.6 in India.”
Morocco and Algeria began using HCQ, a trend break and sharp reduction in their COVID-19 case fatality rate occurred." data-reactid="18">After Morocco and Algeria began using HCQ, a trend break and sharp reduction in their COVID-19 case fatality rate occurred.
states AAPS.
The AAPS has given the Governor of Arizona.. medical advice re HCQ, CQ April 27.
Notice the polite mention of the shameful VA report.. I guess the details were communicated verbally...
Dear Governor Ducey:
This concerns your Executive Order forbidding prophylactic use of chloroquine (CQ) or hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) unless peer-reviewed evidence becomes available.
Attached and posted here (https://bit.ly/cqhcqresearch) is a summary of peer-reviewed evidence, indexed in PubMed, concerning the use of CQ and HCQ against coronavirus.
We believe that there is clear and convincing evidence of benefit both pre-exposure and post-exposure.
In addition, Michael J. A. Robb, M.D., of Phoenix is compiling all reports as they come in.
As of this date, the total number of reported patients treated with HCQ, with or without azithromycin and zinc, is 2,333.
Of these, 2,137 or 91.6 percent improved clinically. There were 63 deaths,
all but 11 in a single retrospective report from the Veterans Administration where the patients were severely ill.
we request that you rescind your Executive Orders impeding the use of CQ and HCQ
Could be wrong, but I never heard of a governor mandating the conditions under which a drug can be prescribed. Especially one like HCQ, which has been used for 50 years, and in a pandemic of all times. Smells of politics, but oddly, he is conservative. Will have to dig into this tomorrow.
