Covid-19 News


    Wow.


    Typical 4% community spread low end. That means 2600 out of 65000 should have tested positive. 20 tested positive. These are old people. No deaths.

    If this continues, and I see that it will, you now know who there is an enemy who has infiltrated the highest branches of all aspects of America.

    Quote from Dr Richard

    Navid so what do you think we are dealing with other than a corrupt federal government, pharmaceutical industry run by sociopathic CEO's, etc etc. which are all fair game for Federal Bureau of further Investigation? If all democratic governments are all now equally corrupt and run by mafia style business operations then I agree there is no point in searching for the truth in anything. So just in that case let the chaos run its course, give it up nothing can be done.


    A set of families, superimposed by corporations that have a tight control of science and information who understand how to use propaganda (media, hollywood) to control you. They have deep ties to certain agencies that have their own channels, control, technology, and leadership to the public versions. They enforce compliance through threat, abuse and black mail. If you don't play ball you can't go up (e.g. in Hollywood). The government of the United States - the leadership - is forced to play ball, and they have a role in politics. Corporates are all tied in - so it's not some master Wizard of Oz system - but a small group, overlaid by corporations. They also know spiritual power is real and some worship dark forces; they want us to believe we are atoms and nothing more. Since there is an alternative American history here we need an entire educational system to teach this. It is worldwide group. National governments are impediments. Some of them want less people on the earth. We all know that LENR changes all of their thinking and assumptions - they aren't going to like that.


    Resistance means awareness. It only goes on because the "sheep" are in the dark and don't want to believe. It would take only 10% of the population to turn the tide. Remember this isn't obscure aluminum can't penetrate thick steel beams. That's all you need to know.


    Start here and here (from Peter Dale Scott the academic who coined the phrase "Deep State"). Even if you believe 10% of this is true, then you have a duty to tell someone. That's what I ask.

    • Official Post

    New paper from our friends in Cambridge... The Centre for the Study of Existential Risk.


    The study identified 275 ways to reduce transmission of the coronavirus. Medical possibilities were not considered. It does not offer recommendations: a shortlist of the most appropriate options for specific regions and contexts should be considered in the context of their likely effectiveness, cost, practicality and fairness.


    “There’s increasing pressure to re-open the economy and get people back to work and out of isolation. But if we return to operating as we did before the pandemic, there will be a second wave of the virus. All activities will need to be considered individually, and phased back in carefully, depending on the risk they pose to spreading the virus,” said Professor William Sutherland in the University of Cambridge’s Department of Zoology, who led the study.


    https://www.cser.ac.uk/news/study-275-ways/

    Quote from Shane D.

    You asked, so don't complain. We have been all over on the politics; from fixing the health car system, to Nazis, to big mafia pharma, anti-vaxers, and today some new stuff.

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    Dr Richard wrote:

    So who do we think the enemy is this time?


    If burning carbon doesn't stop immediately then sea level will rise at least by 4m until end of the century. This is based on new research of antarctic & Greenland glaciers. If these nuts guys try to delay LENR then this is also OK for me. All the famous paradise islands (Seychelles, Bermudas, ..) these folks own and hide for half of their live will sink under water.


    There is only one enemy on this world and thats you! Your fear, anxiety to loose the last thing you own albeit you never owned something. Already the old Romans new the rules. Feed and entertain the people and you can do what ever you want. Today normal people are eager for games and food (youtube, mobile games, whatsapp-instagram gossip) and only a few still notice that once there was something called live or nature.


    Thats' why this thread exists. Corona makes you aware again of that you are a part of nature and there is no way to cheat her in the end. And please remember: Doctors are a part of the game and you yourself are responsible for your health. If you die because you prefer (Doctors suggestion) the most expensive medication instead asking for the simple cheap and reliable one, then at the (your) end they will just increment the number in their file and the doctor will get his surplus check. He will never remember e.g. your health insurance number as at the end of his days the figure on his account simply is to large to a allow a breakdown.

    I strongly agree with Wyttenbach on this particular post, but Alan Smith is right to try and reign things in. Good point, even covid is a much needed stretch, we are here to discuss anomalous power production affects predominantly. Wouldn't it be something if subjects like this were trending in the media, particularly with public mainstream exposure.

    Quote from Wyttenbach

    If burning carbon doesn't stop immediately then sea level will rise at least by 4m until end of the century. This is based on new research of antarctic & Greenland glaciers. If these nuts guys try to delay LENR then this is also OK for me. All the famous paradise islands (Seychelles, Bermudas, ..) these folks own and hide for half of their live will sink under water.


    There is only one enemy on this world and thats you! Your fear, anxiety to loose the last thing you own albeit you never owned something. Already the old Romans new the rules. Feed and entertain the people and you can do what ever you want. Today normal people are eager for games and food (youtube, mobile games, whatsapp-instagram gossip) and only a few still notice that once there was something called live or nature.


    Thats' why this thread exists. Corona makes you aware again of that you are a part of nature and there is no way to cheat her in the end. And please remember: Doctors are a part of the game and you yourself are responsible for your health. If you die because you prefer (Doctors suggestion) the most expensive medication instead asking for the simple cheap and reliable one, then at the (your) end they will just increment the number in their file and the doctor will get his surplus check. He will never remember e.g. your health insurance number as at the end of his days the figure on his account simply is to large to a allow a breakdown.

    Wht,


    I have been trying to find some peer reviewed data that shows the amount of heat that atmospheric CO2 adds to planet earth, but nada.

    Plenty of data on how, when, why, where etc but not how much heat.

    Have you some data or links that you can share?


    Many thanks


    CO2 does not add heat: it alters the power balance between power in from sun, and power radiated out. If this power balance is non-zero the earth (over time) increases or decreases in temperature. So CO2 adds power (heat/sec).


    That would be quite easy to calculate (how much temp increase at equilibrium) if we had just land surface. The land will get heated up relatively quickly. However we have the seas and these make an enormous thermal sink, dominating the thermal inertia of the earth. Unfortunately how enormous depends on how much convection there is between top and bottom of ocean. That gets pretty complex and can also potentially change over time as the top layer heats up and a temperature gradient there alters currents. Things like ice melting at poles (and dropping down to bottom) can create currents that mix top and bottom, so the whole ocean heat storage issue is complex and not completely understood. In the end you get the same temperature change dependent on the forcing and the variation in radiation out with earth temperature. But it takes time so we do not see that immediately.


    One of the annoying things about climate change is that the earth-ocean system has an effective thermal time constant of 100 years or more, so the warming that happens is much less than what is baked in from the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere (and the CO2 there) has a much longer time constant because basically it stays there, and only gets deposited very slowly as carbonate).


    So the direct forcing - the power heating up the earth due to co2 - can be precisely estimated. The actual forcing includes feedback effects from clouds etc that can change, so is less clear, and is all bundled into climate sensitivity. But we have a very large amt of data of different sorts now. When people talk about climate sensitivity they talk about how much warming happens in a few decades. Over a much longer time it is expected that more warming will happen due to the inertia.


    So: don't expect a simple answer - any simple answer you see will be an approximation (and many of the simple answers are plain wrong - neglecting basic physics). Even the "known" part - the radiative balance, is very complex because you need to model heat transport throughout a stratified atmosphere at different levels. But we do have a lot of data on this, and how clouds effect it. The values of climate sensitivity thus relate to how much does the earth surface warm short-term, which we have a fairly good experimental handle on. The uncertainty is how much of the the heat goes into the deep ocean, and this can potentially change over time. For example the "pause" in warming a few years ago on the surface was because the oceans were heating up more - whether this happens or no depends on various ocean currents which have decadal cycle times. Equally oceans heating up less would make warming seem faster than typical.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiative_forcing


    One of the joys of the global warming science is that it goes on getting more complex as you do stuff more accurately, and even the basic physics (atmospheric heat balance and radiative and convective transport) is non-trivial.


    THH


    PS - for peer-reviewed data it splits into lots of little bits, each of which is part of the picture. If you put them together you get the big models, which seem a bit opaque because they depend on so many other little bits of work.


    PPS - here is a decent summary, with references, but some of these are to models (as you'd expect) so you need to go a lot deeper to understand the whole thing. You need a complete review of models (the complex ones) models (the simple ones) other evidence and put that all together to get your best estimate of climate sensitivity. When you do that there remains quite a bit of uncertainty. I'd look at the Bayesian analyses trying to combine different types of information and their uncertainty for the best current overall estimates.


    Here is a physicist and amateur climatologist looking at the science and trying to get his own estimate: showing all working. He is somone who engages with the science and answers people with different views.

    Quote from Toffoli

    This is a video of two California medical doctors (immunologists) who presented their data concerning COVID-19. Because their findings conflicted with the globalist narrative, YouTube censors banned it."

    Awww, come on, Toffoli. It's a one hour video. You really expect us to view it without some idea of what it contains? Mind summarizing it briefly? Also, why did Youtube ban it? They rarely do that without an excellent reason and they don't give a sh*t about global narratives, whatever those are.

    This paper is about the toxicity (or pretty much lack thereof) of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin (rather large doses):


    "In our center, patients with the respiratory syndrome COVID-19 who are admitted for lower airway disease with features such as non-resolving cough, chest infiltrates on X-ray and persistent fever, with or without blood-oxygen desaturation, are treated with HY/AZ. We reviewed the charts and followed the corrected QT (QTc) interval in a consecutive cohort of 84 patients receiving the regimen. HY and AZ were administered orally for 5 days. HY was given at a dose of 400 mg twice daily on the first day, followed by 200 mg twice daily. AZ was given at a dose of 500 mg per day. The average time of electrocardiograph (ECG) follow-up after HY/AZ exposure was 4.3 ± 1.7 days.


    We observed prolongation of the QTc from a baseline average of 435 ± 24 ms (mean ± s.d.) to a maximal average value of 463 ± 32 ms (P < 0.001 (one-sample t-test)), which occurred on day 3.6 ± 1.6 of therapy (Fig. 1). In a subset of nine (11%) of those patients, the QTc was severely prolonged to >500 ms, a known marker of high risk of malignant arrhythmia and sudden cardiac death7. In this high-risk group, the QTc increased from a baseline average of 447 ± 30 ms to 527 ± 17 ms (P < 0.01 (one-sample t-test)). There were no torsades de pointes events recorded for any patients, including those with a severely prolonged QTc. Four patients died from multi-organ failure, without evidence of arrhythmia and without severe QTc prolongation. 64 patients remained admitted and 16 patients were discharged. The clinical and epidemiological characteristics are presented in Supplementary Table 1."


    The paper is not about effectiveness. Not in any way. But it suggests that a) it is safe to use the drugs and b) but only under regular EKG's, either at least once daily or better with continuous monitors. In a larger series, they might have observed arrhythmias. But this shows they are not particularly common, even in very sick patients. However mild to moderate QTc prologation is common and does require EKG monitoring in ALL patients receiving HQC and AZI. This reinforces previous knowledge and contradicts alarmists in the press.


    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0888-2

    Some discussion of Erickson..and Massih

    "

    “The immune system is built by exposure to antigens: viruses, bacteria. When you're a little child crawling on the ground, putting stuff in your mouth, viruses and bacteria come in. You form an antigen antibody complex. You form IgG IgM. This is how your immune system is built. You don't take a small child put them in bubble wrap in a room and say, ‘go have a healthy immune system.’

    “This is immunology, microbiology 101. This is the basis of what we've known for years. When you take human beings and you say, ‘go into your house, clean all your counters—Lysol them down you're gonna kill 99% of viruses and bacteria; wear a mask; don't go outside,’ what does it do to our immune system? Our immune system is used to touching. We share bacteria. Staphylococcus, streptococcal, bacteria, viruses.”


    https://www.intellectualtakeou…stroy-our-immune-systems/


    A short lockdown followed by a staged unlocking will reduce the deathrate among medical staff IMHO .

    It will give time to make sure of adequate PEP and develop effective prophylaxis..such as making sure the medical staff

    have adequate Vitamin D levels..

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne…avirus-frontline-victims/

    Quote from seven_of_twenty

    Awww, come on, Toffoli. It's a one hour video. You really expect us to view it without some idea of what it contains? Mind summarizing it briefly? Also, why did Youtube ban it? They rarely do that without an excellent reason and they don't give a sh*t about global narratives, whatever those are.


    Big Tech now has "fact checkers" to censor information. As Tucker Carlson notes, our policies are resembling more and more those of China.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/…avirus-censorship-science


    From the above,

    Last week, YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki told CNN that "anything that would go against World Health Organization [WHO] recommendations would be a violation of our policy."

    An HCQ + Azi paper from Brazil. It is well intentioned but, well... weird. I think all it shows is that if people have respiratory symptoms as per telemedicine, and they get the drugs, more get better. What this shows, I have no idea. It certainly does not show that the treatment was effective against COVID-19. For openers, nobody made definitive diagnosis on many or all of the patients. Maybe Azi helps with suppression of bacterial pneumonia? How many of the patients (it's Brazil) had had pneumococcal vaccines? I'll stop there... it's just very strange, and a lot of work.


    https://www.thierry.fr/wp-cont…rnal-manuscript-final.pdf


    Abstract:

    Abstract

    Background: Telemedicine can facilitate patient’s assessment with initial flu-like

    symptoms in the COVID-19 pandemic, moreover it promotes social isolation.

    Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin are associated with reduction in COVID-19

    patients' viral load. This study aims to assess whether empirical prescription of

    hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for patients with suspected COVID-19 is

    associated with less need for hospitalization Methods: A telemedicine team

    evaluated suspected COVID-19 outpatients with flu-like symptoms, if no

    contraindications were detected, treatment with hydroxychloroquine and

    azithromycin was prescribed after consent from subjects. Patients were monitored

    daily by telemedicine appointments. Results: Of the 636 symptomatic outpatients,

    412 started treatment with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin and 224 refused

    medications (control group). Need for hospitalization was 1.9% in the treatment

    group and 5.4% in the control group (2.8 times greater) and number needed to treat

    was 28 (NNT = 28). In those who started treatment before versus after the seventh

    day of symptoms, the need for hospitalization was 1.17% and 3.2%, respectively.

    Conclusion: Empirical treatment with hydroxychloroquine associated with

    azithromycin for suspected cases of COVID-19 infection reduces the need for

    hospitalization (p< 0.001).

    Quote from Mark U

    Big Tech now has "fact checkers" to censor information. As Tucker Carlson notes, our policies are resembling more and more those of China.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/…avirus-censorship-science


    Tucker Carlson? Seriously? Now, I am wondering if it even happened. That commentator/talking head has, in the past, had a notoriously low regard for the truth. Having said that, I disapprove of unnecessary censorship unless it's the comedy gig of that name on the Jimmy Kimmel show.

    Quote from Shane D.

    You said this in reference to the authors opinion that herd immunity is the best way to go, because there "is no way to contain COVID in the long run". But he followed with "We need to shield older people and other high-risk groups until they are protected by herd immunity.".


    I do not think that is possible. As we approach herd immunity, at ~60%, older people and high risk groups such as obese people are bound to come in contact with sick people. Relatives, nurses and caretakers, will infect them. You cannot isolate them from the rest of the population. As I mentioned, in the 1970s, before influenza vaccines were developed, in hospitals and nursing homes it was impossible to protect elderly people from influenza. It always swept through them, according to a nurse I knew at that time, and from what I have read. An elderly person living on a remote farm might be safe, but widespread viruses that reached herd immunity ended up infecting every part of the population.


    Now that we have influenza vaccines, elderly and vulnerable people can be protected. Not perfectly, but for the most part they can avoid a serious case of the flu. Since there is no vaccine for the coronavirus, they cannot be protected except by isolation, and that will probably fail. Isolation is also bad for their physical and mental health, and for the mental health of their families and friends.


    More to the point, we do not know who the vulnerable population is. It is widely known that young adults in their 20s and 30s seldom die from the coronavirus, but there is more to it than that. 20% of young people have to be hospitalized. They have a very serious illness that sometimes damages many organs. They survive because treatment is effective in many ways, but many of them are probably damaged for life. They will never recover their full pulmonary function. Reportedly, they suffer from blood clots at a higher rate than old people. Many of them will have strokes, brain damage and amputations. We are talking hundreds of thousands of young people. The cost of taking care of them for the rest of their lives will be high. This is like taking care of the casualties from a large war -- like WWII, not Vietnam.


    There are other practical problems. 40% of the U.S. adult population is obese, which is a risk factor about as high being 65 years old. Are we going to isolate them? Are they all going to get thin in the next 6 months, while they stay isolated at home? I don't think so. If they go back to work, millions of them may die before we achieve herd immunity, and surely millions of others will suffer lifelong damage.


    Even if we could protect known vulnerable groups, the tragedy and the dollar cost of the disease would be orders of magnitude larger than containing it using the methods now being used in Korea and Japan. I mean that literally: U.S. deaths and the infection rate are already 2 orders of magnitude higher than Japan. If we go for herd immunity, we will end up with 200 million sick people, compared to around 18,000 Japanese patients after a year. Assuming a vaccine becomes available in a year that's 11,000 times more! Can you imagine the suffering and the dollar cost of taking care of so many sick people? Why should the U.S. pay such an exorbitant cost in suffering, death, and money? Why suffer 11,000 times more than necessary? It seems insane to me. I cannot imagine why anyone would want to use any other methods than those that are working so well in Asia. There is no reason these methods will stop working, as long as the doctors, authorities and the public remain vigilant.

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