Quote from Wyttenbach

Heparin for me is the most surprising find as it was never meant as an antiviral! (like the famous blue pill...)

I'm pretty sure it isn't an antiviral. Heparin is an anticoagulant and might prevent some of the disastrous damage caused by disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC) caused by the COVID-19 virus.

Quote from Shane D.

We have some threads here that will put you to sleep.

I read the first 50 pages of the Mizuno replication thread today. Not too tiring.

50 pages of the bucket thread might knock one out, though, one way or another.

Quote from Navid

He tried melatonin. I heard CBN is the best. Have you tried either?

CBN? If you meant the Christian Broadcasting Network, it puts me to sleep too.

Quote from seven_of_twenty

I'm pretty sure it isn't an antiviral. Heparin is an anticoagulant and might prevent some of the disastrous damage caused by disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC) caused by the COVID-19 virus.

As said the usual chemo matcher used by most big pharma did rank it very high!

A recent study demonstrated the interaction between the SARS-CoV-2 spike S1 protein receptor binding domain (SARS-CoV-2 S1 RBD) and heparin, suggesting the development of heparin-based therapeutics (Microft-West et al., 2020). It is of great interest to develop the novel heparin-based compounds for COVID-19.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7175848/

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.29.971093v1

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-16048-4

This open-up scenario was just released in British Columbia, Canada.

Mainly the first graph caught my eye. The predicted rates for % of normal contact show what a fine line it is between OK contact levels and out of control.

https://www.scribd.com/documen…mic#fullscreen&from_embed

Some emotional drama from OZ.

How did an epidemiologist OK the disembarking of 2700 passengers off the Ruby Princess

on the say so of the ship's captain/doctor...

It wasn't just another norovirus episode.

only 20 have died... much less than the thousands in the Northern Hemisphere

Quote from seven_of_twenty

I'm pretty sure it isn't an antiviral. Heparin is an anticoagulant and might prevent some of the disastrous damage caused by disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC) caused by the COVID-19 virus.

Disc rupture from freestyle wrestling match (C6/C7), followed by pulmonary embolism is both lungs, put me on Heparin for 8 days in the hospital, shot of lovenox, then 5mg/2mg of warfarin alternate days for 6 months.

Anti coagulant for sure for me.

Quote from Shane D.

Well, if you guys would hurry up, get to the point, and save the planet, I wouldn't need coffee to read how fans make turbulence...now would I? You scientist types have to learn to add some drama, to keep the "anti-educated" interested.

This is why Imho, I think testing for contact tracing is a “fools errand”.

Currently, the US has identified ~ 1.3 mill cases, but it is quite possible that there are 15-20 million already, and the overwhelming majority are asymptomatic.

Being such, they are unknowingly spreading the infection, and by the time they get around to being tested, it may be many weeks after they were infected. How is it even remotely possible to contact trace cases weeks after they happened. I certainly can’t remember who I saw or where I was that far back.

The meat packing plant in Missouri had 374 test positive, ALL asymptomatic.

By the time they find all of these cases the contacts could be in the thousands.

Protect the old, weak and sick, quarantine and isolate them, administer medical attention to them. Get the younger generation out working and building immunity for the next generation.

Quote from Roseland67

Protect the old, weak and sick, quarantine and isolate them,

Also the obese..

Btw

another conspiracy video... it won't last long on yt

incentivization for Covid patients.

$13000 for covid patient $39000 for one on a ventilator?

Quote from Navid

He tried melatonin. I heard CBN is the best. Have you tried either?

Yes, I've tried CBN. I made some chewable CBN tablets and have distributed them to friends, family, and customers. Awaiting feedback, so I can only tell you my own experience. So far, it doesn't work as well as the tablets (mints) that I make with CBD + melatonin + terpenes. However, there is likely to be a lot of individual variation, as there is with CBD, so ultimately you need to try them yourself.

Quote from Shane D.

Rose,

I think you used the wrong quote from me to reply to, but I know the one you meant to refer to. And I agree with what you say about "contact tracing", although I think the jury is still out on the topic. Jed has some good points about that I am still thinking about. Here is a good, balanced summation of all the applicable issues...including the tracking:

https://www.drjohnm.org/2020/0…id19-my-eight-assertions/

Yep,

I did, sorry

NiAID GILEAD release re: Remdesevir..

-Apr. 29, 2020--

Gilead ..is aware of positive data emerging from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases’ (NIAID)

study of the investigational antiviral remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19.

We understand that the trial has met its primary endpoint and that NIAID will provide detailed information at an upcoming briefing.

https://www.gilead.com/news-an…stigational-antiviral-rem

Note 1. The primary endpoint of mortality was dropped halfway through the study

Note 2 Fauci of course paid for the NIAID study from tax $.

Note 3.. Fauci says go for a cruise..

Why can I detect the smell of money?

COVID-19 Travel Update: Fauci Says Cruising Is OK If You Are Healthy

https://www.forbes.com/sites/d…are-healthy/#311ed2802d4d

Connecting the Covid-19 dots is progressing. Why is vitamin C, vitamin D, dark chocolate, tea, red wine, and fish oil (omgas 3) protective against the negative oxidative stress effects of Covid -19?

These vitamins and foods protects the endothelium from oxidative stress thus reducing thrombosis.

See

https://news.vumc.org/2015/09/…in-c-blood-vessel-lining/

Vitamin C protects blood vessel lining. The endothelial cells lining blood vessels form a tight barrier, which is weakened (permeabilized) by inflammation. Vitamin C tightens the endothelial barrier and maintains its integrity during inflammation, but the mechanisms for vitamin C action remain unclear.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3869438/

Role of Vitamin C in the Function of the Vascular Endothelium

https://omegaquant.com/4-thing…-omega-3s-have-in-common/

4 Things Vitamin D and Omega-3s Have in Common

Omega 3 (fish oil) reduces thrombosis but also reduces bleeding

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4069050/

The relationship between vitamin D status and idiopathic lower-extremity deep vein thrombosis

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3985233/

Plasma Vitamin D Status and Its Correlation with Risk Factors of Thrombosis, P-selectin and hs-CRP Level in Patients with Venous Thromboembolism; the First Study of Iranian Population.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne…risk-on-long-flights.html

Dark chocolate may cut DVT risk on long flights

Plain chocolate could help to prevent deep vein thrombosis, the so-called "economy class syndrome", the British Association for the Advancement of Science was told yesterday.

The potential heart health benefits of chocolate appear to be linked to cocoa flavonoids, which occur naturally.

"Eating chocolate rich in flavonoids regularly and as part of a balanced diet

Prof Keen reported that eating chocolate appeared to delay the onset of blood clotting - strengthening the evidence of an "aspirin-like effect".

For those who had been given chocolate, closure time significantly increased in the two-hour and six-hour readings, suggesting a marked reduction in platelet reactivity and the ability of blood to clot.

Studies also suggest that chocolate increases antioxidant activity in the blood, mopping up destructive chemicals called free radicals, in a similar way to fruit and vegetables, red wine and tea.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6146070.stm

Chocolate 'cuts blood clot risk'

A small amount of dark chocolate a day can thin the blood and cut the risk of clots in much the same way as taking aspirin, US researchers have said.

The hypostasis of thrombosis in Covid-19 is presented here

Quote from Roseland67

This is why Imho, I think testing for contact tracing is a “fools errand”.

Currently, the US has identified ~ 1.3 mill cases, but it is quite possible that there are 15-20 million already, and the overwhelming majority are asymptomatic.

Being such, they are unknowingly spreading the infection, and by the time they get around to being tested, it may be many weeks after they were infected. How is it even remotely possible to contact trace cases weeks after they happened. I certainly can’t remember who I saw or where I was that far back.

The meat packing plant in Missouri had 374 test positive, ALL asymptomatic.

By the time they find all of these cases the contacts could be in the thousands.

Well it is certainly an important issue for everyone.

First: note that "all being asymptomatic" does not contradict the otherwise validated 25% - 50% asymptomatic finding. Those who are clearly symptomatic will stay at home. Under the pressures likely existed in that plant, those who have minimal symptoms, or who no longer have symptoms, will be at work: asymptomatic at that time.

Second: what contact tracing does is that as soon as one of those meat workers is caught as positive (long before there were so many) all contacts (which will include everyone else in the plant) will be alerted. There is then the question of whether self-isolation will work. If you lose pay self-isolating and have no money maybe not. That however is a matter than can be fixed with will. The contact tracing framework will allow enough certainty about who id positive for proper mandated stay at home and be paid to work.

Third: the costs of NOT doing anything that can reduce R are enormous. Economies need to soak up people having a as much more contact as is possible while containing the epidemic. If contact tracing reduces R from 1.05 to 0.95 that is the difference between disaster and success.

Fourth: given the large community infection rate you are right that without enormous political will and money (not it seems there federally, not sure about State-level) the number of human contact tracers and tests will not be enough to trace everyone and check / test people. (If symptoms are obvious enough you maybe don't need a test). In that case it will not work until you have got epidemic rate down much lower - not happening quickly in the US because it is not very tightly locked down. The cost of massive contact and trace is still much much less than the cost of the lockdown.

https://www.businessinsider.co…ptomatic-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

7 factors in Taiwan's response

population 24 million ..infections 440 , deaths 6

Quote from THHuxleynew

Second: what contact tracing does is that as soon as one of those meat workers is caught as positive (long before there were so many) all contacts (which will include everyone else in the plant) will be alerted.

The only thing that contact tracing does: It avoids that to many people don't need any more vaccination. This is the dangerous game the pharma mafia is playing. If the epidemics last longer than a year then the acquired antibody protection might fade out. (For classic corona its one year!)

The today's strategy simply is silly if you knew that at least 95% of all cases are asymptotic and the R values never was 1 rather 10 or even greater.