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hmmm.. as some have said, tracking and tracing is probably impossible in the US. Does not seem like Cuomo was able to pull it off, even with Blumbergs help!

Incorrect. Tracking and tracing is working well in Alaska. It has just begun in New York. The rate of infection in New York is coming down faster than any other state. Tracing began in Massachusettes weeks ago. It is way down in cases, and even more in deaths, which indicates they are detecting more cases than they did before.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/massachusetts/

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.26.114033v1

S-HCQ is 70% more active against COVID in vitro than HCQ.

Fascinating, and possibly of some help getting making those marginal therapy results less marginal.

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That would sound less partisan, if you added New York's Governor Cuomo, and New Jersey's Murphy to the list.

Nope. They took action sooner than anyone, and they tried various things. When they failed, they admitted it and tried something else. They are now reducing the rates of infection and death faster than anyone else. Furthermore, New York City is one of the most crowded places in the U.S., with subways and other places where infectious disease spreads easily. That's not Cuomo's falt.

They tried and failed, and then tried other things and succeeded. They made mistakes. The Federal government is mired in inaction. It has done nothing.

Quote from Shane D.

Many other bad moves on their part, that even the doting media is having a hard time sweeping under the rug.

No one has swept anything under the rug in New York. You must be thinking of Georgia where they cannot even count dead people, never mind cases or tests. Every mistake that Cuomo made he himself reported, in detail, in this briefings, and it has all been published by the New York Times and other mass media.

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Fascinating, and possibly of some help getting making those marginal therapy results less marginal.

Are you aware that HCQ is given off hospital? And that the few millions that got it are not included in the lancet fake study. Not even saying, that the medical - now fake journal - Lancet does not even understand the role of Zinc.

It's also fascinating that all journals/papers avoid any comment on Ivermectin/Heparin what is completely inline with the freemasons textbook of positive/negative campaigns. Never mention a successful enemy because even "negative" fame is fame!

Quote from Shane D.

Shows the synergistic relationship between media/politicians/social media. Not that that is any surprise to most of us, but the pandemic has provided many clear examples as proof, as you will see in the article.

The EU will distribute a welcome package of 750 Billions to some wealthy people mostly. The USA will do the same. Just feeding the usual friends. Of course the will do it as usual (according the Rotary/FM/J handbook). Rescue/helping some highly visible companies and very poor individuals. Highly/feed the press with these generous presents and behind the Scene cash in at least 90% of money. (Greeting from Putin! & Xi ) The same has been done with east Germany.

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The EU will distribute a welcome package of 750 Billions to some wealthy people mostly. The USA will do the same. Just feeding the usual friends. Of course the will do it as usual (according the Rotary/FM/J handbook). Rescue/helping some highly visible companies and very poor individuals. Highly/feed the press with these generous presents and behind the Scene cash in at least 90% of money. (Greeting from Putin! & Xi ) The same has been done with east Germany.

The Covid bailouts in the US included $1.3m avg for 43 millionaires in the US. On top of that most of the top companies got bailed out (after they pillaged their companies with debt -- it was the end of the scam). And now the Pharma is going to get into the gig w/ a huge new business model. The tech guys are hoping more surveillance will mean more gov money to spy.

The plebs don't care about this, are scared to literal death, and just want to be injected by vaccine witchdoctors, like yesterday.

A more pathetic state of the man, and I really mean pathetic has never been seen in history.

Quote from Shane D.

Very well written article of how irresponsible media created COVID panic through outrageously misleading

Nature created the panic, not the media, and not people. In March, without social distancing or the Korean methods of controlling the epidemic, the number of cases were doubling every 3 days. If nothing had been done, we would now have hundreds of thousands of new cases a day, and tens of thousands of deaths. That is not debatable. That is what always happens when a natural epidemic sweeps through a population of mobile animals, such as birds or people. The number of cases rises exponentially until herd immunity is reached. The natural death rate from COVID-19 is ~3%, about the same as the 1918 Spanish flu. Therefore ~6 million people would die.

Anyone who can do simple arithmetic can see this. This was called the "nightmare scenario." It is not open to question whether it was possible. Without steps to prevent it, it was a sure thing. Such epidemics have swept through human communities countless times throughout history.

Because the U.S. Federal and state governments did not take any action to control the virus with the methods described by the Koreans, and urged upon us by the Koreans, that left only the lockdown, which is the last-ditch, least effective, and most destructive method, according to experts.

It makes no sense to say the media is somehow "guilty" for pointing out facts about nature and doing elementary arithmetic. This is shooting the messenger. The fact that the nightmare scenario did not happen -- not yet, anyway -- is a good thing. We can thank the media for that. And we can thank the good sense of the people wearing masks and the people who locked themselves down, which they did before the governor of Georgia ordered them to, and which ~70% continue to do even after the orders were lifted. If they had not, the R0 in Georgia would still be 4. You can run the numbers for yourself to see how many people would be sick or dead in that case. See:

https://www.ajc.com/news/coron…d/jvoLBozRtBSVSNQDDAuZxH/

We did not avert a catastrophe. 100,000 people died and the economy was destroyed. That is a catastrophe. It was a totally avoidable tragic fiasco, entirely the fault of the Trump administration. If we had done what Korea, Japan and other countries did, only a few thousand would have died. Using brute force lock-down methods that destroyed the economy and ruined millions of lives, we managed to avoid a much greater catastrophe. That is thanks to the media and people's good sense. It is not a triumph, any more than the retreat from Dunkirk was a military victory.

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Nature created the panic, not the media, and not people. In March, without social distancing or the Korean methods of controlling the epidemic, the number of cases were doubling every 3 days. If nothing had been done, we would now have hundreds of thousands of new cases a day, and tens of thousands of deaths. That is not debatable. That is what always happens in a natural epidemic the sweeps through any population of mobile animals, such as birds or people. The number of cases always rises exponentially until herd immunity is reached. The natural death rate from COVID-19 is ~3%, about the same as the 1918 Spanish flu. Therefore ~6 million people would die.

You are right up to the point that we did know nothing at the beginning and the virus looked like a classic one.

But today we know that CoV-9 is outstanding infectious as a single individual can spread it to > 100 people. Thus the initial doubling all 3.5 days was only possible because the virus - in the small class of older and vulnerable - was distributed very fast. The peak would have flattened soon after - may be not that fast for US states with many poor working slaves...

The class below age 65 is not very affected. In Europe below 0.1% mortality! Thus shutting the economy/schools definitely was an error for most countries.

On the other side Ivermectin/Heparin avoids any damage from CoV-9 and nobody should be scared anymore. They should be really scared of the US ruling mafia (Free mason, Rotary,J) that blocks the medication !

Quote from Wyttenbach

The class below age 65 is not very affected. In Europe below 0.1% mortality!

Oh great. So it is no worse than a severe influenza epidemic, except there is no vaccine and no immunity so it hits the entire population. Plus it apparently leaves many people coughing up blood a month later, or with amputated legs. Just a not-so-bad version of Spanish flu, if you don't mind seeing millions of people over 65 die.

Quote from Wyttenbach

Thus shutting the economy/schools definitely was an error for most countries.

Yes, it was an error. If we had done what they did in Korea, there would be no need for a shut-down. They never had a shut-down, and the one in Japan was only for about 20% of the population for a few weeks. It was an error in the same sense that getting boxed in and having to retreat from Dunkirk was an error. It was a terrible way to respond, but the only thing left to do. Look at what happened in Italy or Paris, or today in Brazil and you will see how things would have been without the shut down. If we hadn't done it, millions would be dead.

Quote from Navid

just want to be injected by vaccine witchdoctors

Just a marker here. I'm not pathetic, but would like to be given a vaccine! Both personally, and to do my bit for society.

Here is a discussion of herd immunity, with numbers from antibody tests New York City, London, Madrid and various other cities:

https://www.nytimes.com/intera…avirus-herd-immunity.html

QUOTE:

The World Is Still Far From Herd Immunity for Coronavirus

The coronavirus still has a long way to go. That’s the message from a crop of new studies across the world that are trying to quantify how many people have been infected.

Official case counts often substantially underestimate the number of coronavirus infections. But even in results from a new set of studies that test the population more broadly to estimate everyone who has been infected, the percentage of people who have been infected so far is still in the single digits. The numbers are a fraction of the threshold known as herd immunity, at which the virus can no longer spread widely. The precise herd immunity threshold for the novel coronavirus is not yet clear; but several experts said they believed it would be higher than 60 percent.

Quote from THHuxleynew

but would like to be given a vaccine!

In the prevaccine period... I'd take a shot at HCQ.. or ivermectin... if I got an unusual fever.... but the Covid elimination policy in NZ/Oz is

making that unlikely

Is "science" subservient to funders?

HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE & A PROFOUND LACK OF INTEGRITY

Garbage 'Science': Be Wary Of What You're Being Told

Remember the “Fake” 2009 H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic: Manipulating the Data to Justify a Worldwide Public Health Emergency

https://www.globalresearch.ca/…ic-health-emergency/14901

The Campaign Against HCQ—Part II

https://www.paulcraigroberts.o…aign-against-hcq-part-ii/

Looks like the S-isomer of hyroxychloroquine is the one doing the job. Now this is a real breakthrough, so lower doses will be effective. Hard to mass produce but this would be the job of Merck or Bayer to work out how to do it. Stop vilifying the Pharmaceutical companies, they are only doing their job And this would be very worthwhile to UK pharma because if patented would make their fortune, as long as they donate some of it to the NHS. UK rules OK? Pfizer might be best I have an old friend who works there. Maybe manages it now for all I know, Certainly had some luck with Sildenafil (Viagra). Judy Elmes, that's it. But her husband Jean Patrick got killed in a knife attack in Hackney. He was one of my best friends in my teenage years, I told him not to buy a house in Hackney because it is dangerous in the East End. Ignored my warning unfortunately but it was all he could afford at the time being an artist and great guitarist. My first band Coggeshall Cacophony and it really was a mess because we were all tripping on California Sunshine and smoking vast quantities of marijuana. Thats why I failed my exams first time so never became an MD, but went into research instead.. I still passed but only low grades, being offered a place at Newcastle UNI with three C in Biol Phys Chem, but on LSD the night before only got EDE. Anyway I digress, I had nine o levels before that, grade one in LATIN when fifteen. Colchester RGS. I think mu old mate Sammy Lee works near there on in vitro fertilization. He could eat six McD's at once! But I lost contact with all my old friends due to my own bipolar illness. When I had to retire due to outrageous behavior coming back from Japan. So I ended up in Kernow where I will spend the rest of my life. An Goth brothers and sisters. My Cornish descent is from my Grandmother. And I am related to Jonathan Swift.

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Remember the “Fake” 2009 H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic: Manipulating the Data to Justify a Worldwide Public Health Emergency

https://www.globalresearch.ca/…ic-health-emergency/14901

GlobalResearch.ca is viewed by NATO's Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence as playing a key accelerant role in helping popularize articles with little basis in fact that also happen to fit the narratives being pushed by the Kremlin...

https://web.archive.org/web/20…ormation/article37015521/

Putin-bot much?

How Turkey Took Control of Covid19 Emergency

BBC article.

Surprisingly, for a populist style leadership, Turkey seems to have control over their outbreak by getting track and trace up and running quickly.

Also they are very keen on HCQ as a part of the standard treatment regime.

The BBC cannot resist rehashing the HCQ controversy, like they do in every article that mentions HCQ, (presumably to supply "context").

But anecdotally the Turkish medics think it is useful along with other treatments.

"Chief doctor Nurettin Yiyit - whose art work is on the hospital walls - says it's key to use hydroxychloroquine early. "Other countries are using this drug too late," he says, "especially the United States. We only use it at the beginning. We have no hesitation about this drug. We believe it's effective because we get the results."

On a tour of the hospital, adding and subtracting protective layers as we go, he explains that Turkey's approach is to "get ahead of the virus", by treating early and treating aggressively. They use hydroxychloroquine and other drugs, along with blood plasma and oxygen in high concentrations."

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GlobalResearch.ca is viewed by NATO's Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence as playing a key accelerant role in helping popularize articles with little basis in fact that also happen to fit the narratives being pushed by the Kremlin...

https://web.archive.org/web/20…ormation/article37015521/

Putin-bot much?

Putin-bot??? Of course!!! GlobalResearch.ca has consistently fact-checked the military adventures of the last few decades and found the rationale to be false. Colluding with the Russians, no doubt. Thanks for the insight.

By that rationale, presumably you agree with the military adventures in Chechnya, Ukraine, Georgia and Syria? Global Research "fact checked" those as well, funnily enough, with a strangely consistent viewpoint.

Quote from ZenoOfElea

How Turkey Took Control of Covid19 Emergency

"Chief doctor Nurettin Yiyit - whose art work is on the hospital walls - says it's key to use hydroxychloroquine early. "Other countries are using this drug too late," he says, "especially the United States. We only use it at the beginning. We have no hesitation about this drug. We believe it's effective because we get the results."

On a tour of the hospital, adding and subtracting protective layers as we go, he explains that Turkey's approach is to "get ahead of the virus", by treating early and treating aggressively. They use hydroxychloroquine and other drugs, along with blood plasma and oxygen in high concentrations."

Good for them for doing the right thing. When entire nation's top medical people are using the drug and say it is working people don't think "hmmm...wtf?"

The best control is not tanks and guns and physical threats (eg. "Don't take HCQ or we kill you!"), it is thought control. Fake science.

Here in North America the control system has people scared out of their mind that they are going to die because of the very drug that is going to save them. When Trump says "invisible enemy" just think, he's actually talking about two things....

BTW, when you pay attention to the source of this mess they provoke some new destraction to divide the people and squabble and fight each other. As old as time tactics.