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Data do appear to indicate that the virus may be losing its edge. The statistics website Worldometers, for instance, shows an unmistakably lopsided trend: Though the number of confirmed global cases has been increasing since the start of the pandemic, the number of global deaths has been trending downward since mid-April.

I think the increasing number of cases is caused by two things: 1. Increasing numbers of tests; 2. In many countries and U.S. states they are now including the antibody tests showing previous cases. I do not think the case mortality rate is falling. Of course it is hard to say.

The number of global deaths is falling because the pandemic is under control in Asia and the EU, and both cases and deaths are falling rapidly. It is not under control in the U.S., but at least it is not increasing overall. It is increasing in some states where they are doing nothing to stop it, and falling in states which take action, especially in what was the epicenter in the northeast. Many U.S. states are undercounting infections, and 26 states are increasing or stable:

More than half of states may be undercounting coronavirus cases by not following CDC guidelines

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09…avirus-tuesday/index.html

Meanwhile, both cases and deaths are increasing rapidly in the third world, but they are severely undercounted, or not counted at all. Brazil is the worst example. A few days ago the president ordered the government to stop reporting any statistics. He claimed the states were blaming all deaths on the coronavirus in order to get federal funding. He replaced the health minister with a general who has no medical training or experience in public health. I do not know if he followed through on his plan to stop reporting all statistics. I don't trust their numbers in any case.

Iran seems to be honest, since they have reported a second wave.

Meanwhile, Japan reported 44 cases today, but 15 were from "port of entry" meaning the airport where people are returning to the country. So that's 29 from infections in the country, and 21 the day before. Zero deaths.

Did the SARS-CoV-2 virus arise from a bat coronavirus research program in a Chinese laboratory? Very possibly. Why a credible investigation is needed to determine the origin of the coronavirus pandemic Geneticists are indeed already aware, how such prosecution would end and how it would impact their research - so that they boycott independent investigation by all means possible: both at Chinese side which provides labor force, both at USA side, which is financing this research. See also: On the Origins of the 2019-nCoV Virus, Wuhan, China

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As often here you say things that are just not true.

If you timely detect and correctly treat CoV-19 its not worse than a flue. If you get a full initial dose then its much worse than a flue even if you detect it "in time".

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And most people in the UK want a Flu vaccine. I'd expect most to want a CV vaccine too.

May be this is one reason why the UK death toll is that high! Vaccination can cause an increased the cytokine storm. Here only exposed people will get a flu vaccine.

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In the UK the major vaccine projects are all done at cost (and most of the production too).

Glad to hear! and lets hope they win the race. But I prefer to have a regular corona cold again.

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Did the SARS-CoV-2 virus arise from a bat coronavirus research program in a Chinese laboratory? Very possibly. Why a credible investigation is needed to determine the origin of the coronavirus pandemic Geneticists are indeed already aware, how such prosecution would end and how it would impact their research - so that they boycott independent investigation by all means possible: both at Chinese side which provides labor force, both at USA side, which is financing this research. See also: On the Origins of the 2019-nCoV Virus, Wuhan, China

From the comments:

A lot of this article is speculation. The people most exposed to this bat virus in China who live near these bats, of them 3% contain antibodies and there have been no diseases emerging from them.

Secondly, the article contradictrs itself when it says Shi said she found no such virus in her records or problems with virus.

Thirdly, An American scientific researcher said it could not have been an escape because this particular virus was not at the lab. So it could not have led to infected humans or animals at the the lab.

The basis for the speculation IMO is part of the overall attack on China in my opinion. The overwhelming concensus of the global scientific community is that the virus did not emerge from an escape but evolved naturally.

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Meanwhile, Japan reported 44 cases today, but 15 were from "port of entry" meaning the airport where people are returning to the country.

I believe they are testing everyone who comes into the country. In the U.S., people coming in on international flights from Europe have their temperature checked on arrival. They are not tested. That's according to this account:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0…s/flying-coronovirus.html

Ivermectin developments --

Broward Health Observational Study: Ivermectin is Associated with Lower Mortality for COVID-19 Hospitalized Patients

https://www.trialsitenews.com/…19-hospitalized-patients/

ICON (Ivermectin in COvid Nineteen) study:

Use of Ivermectin is Associated with Lower Mortality in Hospitalized Patients with COVID19

https://www.medrxiv.org/conten…101/2020.06.06.20124461v1

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There has been no upsurge [in Georgia], but cases per day and deaths are about the same as they were a month ago.

I referenced the AJC COVID-19 Dashboard:

https://www.ajc.com/news/coron…d/jvoLBozRtBSVSNQDDAuZxH/

Note that both cases and deaths are under-reported on weekends. The Health Dept. does not catch up until Tuesday. If you looked at this site yesterday, look again, and you will see that infections and deaths are at about the same level they were when "shelter in place" was stopped.

I do not think this delayed reporting is a problem. The graphs show a 7-day rolling average to smooth out the numbers. As long as the Health Dept. catches up and reports everything, artifactual day-to-day variations do not matter. However, the department has also failed to count some cases, and it has mixed up the data in various ways. That is a problem.

ADDITIONAL NOTE: In the Worldmeters table for the U.S., when you sort by New Cases or New Deaths, Georgia has now moved up to the top 2 or 3. This is not because Georgia has gotten worse. As you see in the AJC COVID-19 Dashboard, Georgia is about the same as it was a month ago. It has moved up because other states are getting better, especially in the northeast. I believe the states in the northeast have much lower numbers now because they are aggressively pursuing case tracking and warning people who have been exposed to contagious patients. As I said, Massachusetts began this effort first on April 3, 2020, with 1,000 case trackers. You can sign up to join them here:

https://www.mass.gov/covid-19-…g-collaborative-resources

I believe they expanded that effort. It has been going on long enough to have an effect, judging by the statistics from Korea.

On April 23, New York, New Jersey and Connecticut entered into a 3-state agreement to expand and coordinate case checking and warning. Evidently, this is starting to have an effect. Details of the program are here:

https://coronavirus.health.ny.…ork-state-contact-tracing

https://www.forbes.com/sites/b…ing-program/#2099fe723cd1

Needless to say, case tracking is not the only reason cases are declining. Other public health measures and individual initiatives such as wearing masks are also helping.

Wuhan revisited..

The death toll may have been understated by 10 times.

"This recent video report from Dutch TV in #Wuhan has a pretty telling account of the language of intimidation.

The son of a COVID victim said police warned him to stop posting online, saying "Don't allow foreign hostile forces to use you" (at 13:40)

Peak Prosperity debunks the "Recovery" (designed to fail) study touted by

The "News" Media (CNN, Reuters, CNBC, WSJ, ...) to debunk HCQ --

Will We See A Covid-19 Spike In The Next 3-5 Weeks?

And, another report of the recent successful ivermectin treatment of severely ill Covid-19 patients --

US Trial Finds Drug Cuts Coronavirus Mortality 40%

https://www.newsmax.com/us/ive…ovid/2020/06/09/id/971417/

The IHME COVID-19 projections was updated June 8, 2020. This is one of the most widely cited projections. Reportedly, the White House staff uses it. It now shows daily deaths leveling out, dropping to a low of 547 at the end of July, and then starting to rise a little to 550 when the projection ends on August 4. Total deaths by August 4 are projected at 145,728. Let us assume daily deaths will not increase above 550, even though the curve shows a small rising trend.

I have seen other projections along these lines. Of course the margin of error is large, and it is impossible to know with precision what will happen, but let us assume this is more or less correct. Let us assume a vaccine will be discovered by the end of the year, and deployed by March 2021, effectively ending the epidemic in the U.S., the EU, Japan and other first world countries. From August 4, 2020 to March 1, 2021 is 209 days. 209 days * 550 deaths = 114,950 additional deaths. Total: 145,728 + 114,950 = ~261,000.

I think this is a reasonable estimate. I assume the U.S. Federal government will take no steps to control or reduce the epidemic, leaving all public health measures to the states. Wealthy, blue states will implement tracking and warning, and they will enforce rules to wear masks, so cases there will decline. Because our population is mobile, cases in New York and other states will remain catastrophically high compared to Japan or Italy, but they will decline. Poor, red states, especially in the south, will do nothing. Our best hope will be to keep the daily death rate at ~550. Without a coordinated national strategy and ~150,000 to ~300,000 case trackers, there is no chance the U.S. will reduce the death rate to near zero as they have done in other countries. There is also no chance large numbers of people will fly on airplanes or go to restaurants, or return to normal in other ways. So, it is certain the economy will continue to be battered by the worst unemployment since the Great Depression. National and state leaders exhorting people to re-open the economy have had little effect on Georgia. People who ignored the stay-at-home order continue to ignore social distancing. Most people whose work allowed them to stay at home are still at home, judging from my suburban neighborhood. (Except for today when thousands of people were standing on lines, in the rain, for up to 8 hours hoping to vote. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/0…ting-georgia-primary.html) The airport remains effectively closed; malls are deserted; restaurant business is down 75%; fast food stores are still offering only window service; surface street and highway traffic remains light . . . In short, the economy will not recover as long as thousands of people a day are getting sick, 20% of them are hospitalized, and 2% die. People are not crazy. They will not take a risk roughly equivalent to skydiving just to eat at McDonald's. The national and state governments can fix this problem, and we could return to a normal life at least to the extent they have done so in Japan and Korea, but government leaders will not do this, for reasons I cannot imagine. It seems like utter lunacy.

The estimate of deploying a vaccine by March 2021 is probably too optimistic, according to most experts I read in the mass media. See:

https://www.nytimes.com/intera…gazine/covid-vaccine.html

I myself cannot judge. However, let us assume it takes another year, or 365 more days after March 1, 2021. Assume also that Trump is re-elected, the Federal government continues to do nothing, and the daily number of deaths remains at ~550. That would mean an additional 200,750 deaths. Total ~462,000. This is reasonably close to the low end projections made in March. The high end was 2 to 4 million, as I recall. The low end projections were dismissed as alarmist by many members of the press and by national leaders.

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The basis for the speculation IMO is part of the overall attack on China in my opinion. The overwhelming concensus of the global scientific community is that the virus did not emerge from an escape but evolved naturally.

Why do we always immediately feel,smell your spin??

Nobody is attacking China. Its just a small Triade that hijacked the country and installed an Orwell1984+++ state that is attacked.

The overwhelming consensus about knowledgeable people doing genetic research is : The virus is 100% of lab origin. It even contains the Wuhan lab-marker a genetic sequence they did buy from a German company. So your opinion is obvious spin.

But no scientist of an industry/state lab is allowed to take position. In contrary they are forced to lie to ensure that genetic research can continue.

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Wuhan revisited..

The death toll may have been understated by 10 times.

We had private contact to Wuhan people and they claim at least 10% of the population did die. As usual Chinese people do exaggerate and the truth is somewhere between 30'000 and 300'000 death. I would say that 100'000-150'000 is a good guess. A factor of 10 is definitely to low.

Quote from Lou Pagnucco

And, another report of the recent successful ivermectin treatment of severely ill Covid-19 patients --

US Trial Finds Drug Cuts Coronavirus Mortality 40%

This is known since 2 month from Japanese researchers. If you give Ivermectin+Heparin early enough there will be no death/ICU at all. Possibly not what the doctors like...--> no income no damage --> no future income...

W - maybe you can comment on this article, that basically represents the common opinion of the mainstream (not pharma mafia regulated) virological experts worldwide.

I am interested to carefully read your links and explanations what exactly / which sequence is „man-made“ and doesn’t origin from the bat virus... to understand why you seem to know (?) better than the rest of all experts out there.

My conclusion on all what I could find from quite reliable sources is that it probably originated from that Wuhan lab, but not as man-made, more by accident. I am with you they did a lot of research with many bat viruses but for now I decided to believe folks like Drosten and other very experts in this field who also claim that there is no evidence for a human-made Coronavirus.

https://www.theguardian.com/co…vid-19-lab-false-pandemic

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The virus is 100% of lab origin. It even contains the Wuhan lab-marker a genetic sequence they did buy from a German company.

Could you post a link that has more details of this claim, please?

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Why do we always immediately feel,smell your spin??

Nobody is attacking China. Its just a small Triade that hijacked the country and installed an Orwell1984+++ state that is attacked.

The overwhelming consensus about knowledgeable people doing genetic research is : The virus is 100% of lab origin. It even contains the Wuhan lab-marker a genetic sequence they did buy from a German company. So your opinion is obvious spin.

It was not my spin - I was quoting one of the paper's comments, as I said.

Of course the US is attacking China, just as China is attacking the US. In both case with unprovable assertions about the way COVID started. It is in the interest of all american politicians to be tough on China and in any case those two countries have a long-term geopolitical conflict with world economic dominance at stake.

If by "knowledgeable people doing genetic research" you mean those outliers you have read + well circulated papers written by non-specialists sure, I can agree. The evidence is that nearly all scientists believe this is highly unlikely to be as you say. All the sequence-based memes have been comprehensively and authoritatively debunked. If you care to be precise, with linked scientific paper, about the "Wuhan lab marker" I will debunk it.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/…navirus/story?id=71097846

The British/Norwegian team -- also working on a vaccine -- argued that their vaccine approach was likely to work where other existing efforts would fail. They claim the virus' RNA sequence has elements that appear man-made, or artificially inserted, and that their vaccine, Biovacc-19, will take these purported elements into account.

"The paper is nonsense," said Vincent Racaniello, Ph.D., professor of virology at Columbia University. "The manuscript is replete with incorrect science."

"It is absolutely 100% impossible that SARS-CoV-2 was made in a laboratory. The elements in the virus, SARS-CoV-2, all came from bat SARS-like CoVs that circulate in nature," Racaniello told ABC News.

The British and Norwegian researchers, who hailed from St. George's, University of London, and Immunor AS, a biotech company, respectively, did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

Despite overwhelming scientific consensus that the novel coronavirus came from nature, various scientific and pseudo-scientific claims have continued to fan the flames of a conspiracy theory that the virus was engineered in a Chinese lab.

The new British-Norwegian study gave the controversial theory a new spin: Coronavirus vaccine creation would fail because the virus contains several man-made components. This team of researchers asserted their lab could produce a successful vaccine because it would take those components into account.

However, virologists tackling COVID who were interviewed by ABC News, said that vaccines already in human studies have indicated they are capable of triggering the immune system's response. Although it's still early, there are positive signs that some current approaches to vaccine development are likely to work.

and, more damning:

https://www.theguardian.com/co…vid-19-lab-false-pandemic

Determining the origins and emergence of a pandemic is as messy and complex as studying a plane crash. Just as an air crash investigator pieces together fragments at a crash site, pinpointing the origins of a new virus is painstakingly difficult and time-consuming, and requires logic and reason. I know, because this is exactly what our organisation, EcoHealth Alliance, does. We work around the world to identify the origins of pandemics, map them and analyse them, and use these results to predict where the next pandemic will likely emerge. We then target these “hotspots” for enhanced surveillance, capacity-building and risk-reduction programmes to prevent diseases emerging.

We have spent the past 15 years working in China to analyse the group of viruses from which Sars and now Covid-19 have emerged. Sampling more than 16,000 bats, we showed that Sars emerged from a cluster of coronaviruses carried by horseshoe bats that are abundant across southern and central China and traded frequently in wet markets. We found Sars-related viruses that could infect human cells in the lab, cause diseases in lab animals, and evade drugs and vaccines designed to protect us. We worked with the scientists behind the breakthrough drug Remdesivir to show that it was effective against known human coronaviruses and the viruses we suspected might be the next to emerge. We raised the red flag on these viruses and pointed out their potential to cause the next pandemic.

Our 15 years of work in China now puts us in a unique position to identify, with a remarkable degree of confidence, the likely origin of Covid-19. We recently published a peer-reviewed paper reporting 781 genetic sequences of bat-origin coronaviruses previously unknown to scientists. These include the closest known relatives to Sars-CoV, Sars-CoV-2 and Sads-CoV, a virus that killed more than 25,000 pigs in Guangdong in 2016 and 2017. All are carried by horseshoe bats that are found across southern China and neighbouring countries. Our report firmly concludes that Covid-19 originated in bats, in a hotspot of viral evolution along the border of Yunnan province in China, Myanmar, Laos and Vietnam.

Most people (including former heads of intelligence agencies) aren’t trained in how to decipher genetic codes, so we have to assess the rigour of competing research to determine the truth of claims that Covid-19 was manmade. Writing in the peer-reviewed journal Nature Medicine, researchers strongly refuted the idea that the code had been purposefully manipulated. Whereas the article in Nature Medicine was written by senior virologists, one author, John Fredrik Moxnes, the chief scientific adviser to the Norwegian military, has already withdrawn his name from the paper cited by Dearlove – while scientists from the Francis Crick institute and Imperial College London also dismissed its conclusions.

And the claim in the earlier version of this paper to have proven “beyond reasonable doubt that the Covid-19 virus is engineered” was removed in the later version. This claim relied on an insertion in the genetic code for the spike protein of the virus, the place where the virus locks into our own cells. But the discovery of another novel bat coronavirus in southern China, very closely related to Sars-CoV-2, that includes a similar insertion shows this can evolve naturally.

Contrary to the idea that Chinese scientists deliberately released the virus, existing patterns of infection suggest that the wide spread of Covid-19 was a question of when, not if. Only a handful of people work on bat coronaviruses in labs in China, and they wear masks and gloves so as not to contaminate their laboratories. In 2018, we conducted a pilot survey of people living in rural Yunnan province and found nearly 3% had antibodies for bat coronaviruses. Expanding this data to cover the densely populated area in southeast Asia where there are bats known to harbour coronaviruses, we can safely estimate that between one and seven million people are infected with bat coronaviruses each year.

From New Zealand:

https://www.health.govt.nz/new…/no-active-cases-covid-19

No active cases of COVID-19

Media release

08 June 2020

Today the Ministry of Health is very pleased to report no active cases of COVID-19 in New Zealand.

The Ministry has been notified by Auckland Regional Public Health that its remaining case has been symptom free for 48 hours and is regarded as recovered. The person has now been released from isolation. . . .

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W - maybe you can comment on this article, that basically represents the common opinion of the mainstream (not pharma mafia regulated) virological experts worldwide.

Quote from THHuxleynew

"It is absolutely 100% impossible that SARS-CoV-2 was made in a laboratory. The elements in the virus, SARS-CoV-2, all came from bat SARS-like CoVs that circulate in nature," Racaniello told ABC News.

Quote from THHuxleynew

The British/Norwegian team -- also working on a vaccine -- argued that their vaccine approach was likely to work where other existing efforts would fail. They claim the virus' RNA sequence has elements that appear man-made, or artificially inserted, and that their vaccine, Biovacc-19, will take these purported elements into account.

Obviously some people here do believe that the former MI6 chief intentionally did lie and the Norwegian team is a bunch of idiots...

But professors that never looked at the DNA and spread gossip are a source of truth.

In fact there is only one consent among real scientist that did study similar virus:The best fitting one is far away of CoV-19 and there exists no explanation for a real mutation path so far.

All these babblers have to wait for the Chinese retrofit being successful - what is highly unlikely .. given the low infection rate of bat virus for humans without the AIDS inserts!

So no real evidence behind the claim of a genetic marker bought from a lab in Germany then?

FYI- a new report.

British-Norwegian Study Calls COVID-19 Man-Made in China

A Candidate Vaccine for Covid-19 (SARS-CoV-2) Developed from Analysis of its General Method of Action for Infectivity

B. Sørensen(1), A. Susrud(1), A.G.Dalgleish(2)

1) Immunor AS, Oslo, Norway

2) Foundation Professor of Oncology, St. George's, University of London, Institute of Infection and Immunity, London, United Kingdom

https://www.cambridge.org/core…ction_for_infectivity.pdf

It is a matter of fact that there are unique inserts in the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein when they are aligned with other SARS-CoV sequences as shown in (Zhou et al., 2020). ...

Our findings confirm (Coutard et al., 2020) that the SARS-CoV-2 contains a furin-like cleavage site absent in CoV of the same clade

A British-Norwegian study alleges COVID-19 has "inserted sections," calling it artificially manipulated "chimera" made in the Wuhan virology lab and not occurring naturally,

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Sorensen told Norway's NRK, per the reports translation, it is "quite unusual for viruses that cross species barriers" and has properties vastly different than SARS and "which have never been detected in nature."

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Norwegian virologist claims coronavirus is 'chimera' made in Chinese lab

British-Norwegian study alleges COVID-19 has 'inserted sections'

https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3945654

Ok, some may already know this, but this is a new one to me.

GC376

Drug for Cats Shows Promise Against COVID-19

….GC376 was developed to treat feline infectious peritonitis, or FIP, a disease caused by a coronavirus. It attaches itself to an enzyme in the virus and keeps it from replicating....the drug binds to an enzyme called Mpro, which breaks down big proteins into amino acids. The virus uses these amino acids as building blocks. Without Mpro, the virus cannot make copies of itself......Published data shows that GC376 demonstrates in vitro and in vivo activity against many animal and human coronaviruses including SARS, MERS, and most recently SARS-CoV-2,"

Chinese researchers published a non-peer reviewed article Sunday

https://www.newsmax.com/us/cov…ent/2020/06/10/id/971568/

Thanks for this interesting story. However the fact that they used "AI" to discover it is a red buzzword flag to me.